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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5166842 - 01/11/06 10:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I hear you. But it's sad when a delusional state turns negative.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5166867 - 01/11/06 10:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Negative could be a personal conclusion. But that doesn't mean a person might not prefer to exist in a state of delusion if confronted with facts and choice of perspectives.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5166876 - 01/11/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm talking about racist remarks. Residing in a delusional state out of choice is the norm for maybe all of us. :wink:


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5166891 - 01/11/06 11:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not well aquainted with magic and have no comment on whether the use of any certain kind constitutes a slur.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5166928 - 01/11/06 11:13 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Look at the thread title. See the word evil anywhere?

Now read the rest of that post.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (01/11/06 11:14 AM)

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5166935 - 01/11/06 11:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

No, I seem to blurt out topics by the dozen.
It's like i'm angry at people and i can't control my anger.
Like i said i blurt out stuff.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5166947 - 01/11/06 11:20 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Look at the thread title. See the word evil anywhere?

Now read the rest of that post.




Black magic is evil by definition.  :shrug:

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
    #5166960 - 01/11/06 11:23 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Droz said:
No, I seem to blurt out topics by the dozen.
It's like i'm angry at people and i can't control my anger.
Like i said i blurt out stuff.




But who are you really angry at? You are focusing your anger away from where it belongs maybe. Ever think about this. Most people do it. You're not unique in that. But anger will consume you until you are willing to look deeply into and feel who you are really angry at. :2cents:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5166979 - 01/11/06 11:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I feel uncomfortable using definitives such as 'Evil' 'Hot' etc.

If people want to use definitives then I guess there is no gray area. I think it's too easy to say "That's evil" and respond emotionaly accordingly and then qualify our actions as 'good' because we responded to 'evil' when in fact we were just carried away on a fit of rage and were using a scapegoat to vent our feelings on. Does that make the scapegoat 'evil'? No.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167006 - 01/11/06 11:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

See above post to Droz.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
    #5167035 - 01/11/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

So if someone commits a crime because they exist in a state of delusion, then are they not accountable?


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167079 - 01/11/06 11:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Legally or ethically?

Legally, if someone cannot distinguish between right and wrong, they are insane & not accountable for their actions.

Ethically, one is accountable for all volitional (not performed under duress) actions.

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167098 - 01/11/06 11:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Booby said:
So if someone commits a crime because they exist in a state of delusion, then are they not accountable?




Whoa... careful, you don't want to get banned for pulling the wool down.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
    #5167105 - 01/11/06 11:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

So if it can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the majority of us exist in a state of delusion then legaly we are unaccountable for our actions. Yes?


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167123 - 01/11/06 12:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The legal system is also in a state of delusion. We are using delusional people to interpret laws and rules.

Somehow I think you and I are not on the same page in this conversation.

Droz is just a little more out there than the "normal" delusional person. But that may not even be true.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167132 - 01/11/06 12:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If the answer is 'Yes' then there can be no karmic responsibility for actions; Yes?


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167136 - 01/11/06 12:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The delusion would have to specifically affect your ability to distinguish right from wrong with regard to the crime committed.

For example, I might be under the delusion that I can fly. While I could still be considered insane, I would not get off scot-free if I committed murder.

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5167152 - 01/11/06 12:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Mental illness is not an excuse and should not be considered one, nor should allowances be made when the mentally ill behave badly and blame their disorder. On top of all of that hate based thinking goes against my deepest core values. He needs to get his shit together or get going.




You recognize that this person has a medically acknowledged mental disorder. You then leave the decision to effectively solve the problem you have described with his behavior to himself, as if he is a consciously aware person who has a great enough understanding of his situation to be able to take proper steps towards healing himself.

Perhaps you are not aware of the true nature of his apparent problem? Do you really think someone who is delusional to the point where they will sprout hate-based language formed as a result of irrational thought processes is capable of being regarded as someone who can make such a decision, regardless of how severely your deepest core values have been violated? :wtf: Perhaps they are, perhaps they are not, but let us not proclaim that, as we are to be responsible for ourselves and our actions, everyone is aware of what responsibility is and how to engage it.

Ultimately, he is fully responsible for his thoughts and his actions. This isn't a realization that everyone is deeply aware of. It is a learned concept, and it is nonsense to hold such an expectation on others if one is not going to play an effective role in promoting the understanding of that concept to them.

Its one thing to realize aspects of the true nature of reality, it is another thing entirely to promote the realization of these aspects of the true nature of reality. In a time of ignorant slumber, it is foolishness to paint eyes on their eyelids. :lol: Let us perceive their dream and reveal the inconsistencies in order to restore the awareness that one is asleep. Transcendence/startled awakening.  :shocked:

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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
    #5167186 - 01/11/06 12:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Veritas said:
The delusion would have to specifically affect your ability to distinguish right from wrong with regard to the crime committed.




If in following the definition of 'Evil' I committed a crime , then I am not karmicaly accountable because I exist in a state of publicly acceptable delusion in regards to just what constitutes 'Evil'.


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Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
    #5167197 - 01/11/06 12:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If karma exists, it would have more to do with ethics than law, methinks. :grin:  Many crimes which go unpunished legally would still result in "bad karma."

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