|
 Droz
Love of Life
Registered: 10/15/00
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Floorida
Last seen: 8 years, 8 months
|
 The jewish evil traits. 
#5162725 - 01/10/06 01:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
With the use of black magick and the rest they seem to be the ones who are condemning themselves the most.
--------------------
Evolution of Time.
|
TheCow
Stranger
Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 4,790
Last seen: 15 years, 9 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5163104 - 01/10/06 03:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Actually a little known fact is that most Jews can only do white, red, and purple magic. Only some can do black, strange isnt it.
|
 redgreenvines
irregular verb
Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 38,173
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5163111 - 01/10/06 03:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
silly bird
--------------------
 _  🧠 _ 
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5163116 - 01/10/06 03:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I like pink magic!! 
How about jew?
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5163135 - 01/10/06 03:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Droz said:
With the use of black magick and the rest they seem to be the ones who are condemning themselves the most.
You must be nuts.  
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5163139 - 01/10/06 03:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Or maybe just squirrely. 
|
Silversoul
Rhizome
Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5163156 - 01/10/06 03:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Droz said:
With the use of black magick and the rest they seem to be the ones who are condemning themselves the most.
You must be nuts.
From the posts I've seen from Droz, I'm positiive he's schizophrenic. It's sad, really. That's why I just try to ignore posts like these, because there's just no way to know what's going through his mind.
--------------------
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5163226 - 01/10/06 03:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
My oh my, those kiwis look delicious.
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Silversoul]
#5163233 - 01/10/06 03:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Paradigm said:
From the posts I've seen from Droz, I'm positiive he's schizophrenic. It's sad, really. That's why I just try to ignore posts like these, because there's just no way to know what's going through his mind.
We're all mad here. But I see more ignorance than craziness from his side.
And, "it never got weird enough for me. it never got weird enough for me"
|
Droz
Love of Life
Registered: 10/15/00
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Floorida
Last seen: 8 years, 8 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Fospher]
#5163422 - 01/10/06 04:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Hey i know chaos magick.
--------------------
Evolution of Time.
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5163474 - 01/10/06 04:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Hate oriented bullshit. Keep your hate to yourself.
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
dblaney
Human Being
Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 7,894
Loc: Here & Now
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5163511 - 01/10/06 04:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
Hate oriented bullshit. Keep your hate to yourself.
--------------------
"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5163516 - 01/10/06 04:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
You guys, droz has told us he has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and that these negative posting bouts happen when he goes off his meds.
Why don't we all encourage him to take a break from the board until he gets back on them. In the meantime, we can work to be understanding and not react to it and let others who don't know, know, so as not to take offense. When droz is on his meds, he doesn't say things like this. It's not an excuse for it, it's an explanation for it is all.
Paranoid schizophrenics have "mean" alter egos speaking to them and through them and droz can't control it on his own without help.
So droz, I am going to kindly ask you to please, go get your meds and take them.
 
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
|
Are you serious? He really has schizophrenia?
Im epileptic myself, and without my Carbatrol, Im quite, ehm, eccentric myself.
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Fospher]
#5163648 - 01/10/06 05:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Yes, droz has been comfortable sharing his clinical diagnosis with everyone. Its the paranoid part that makes these negative posts against the Jews come out of him when he stops taking his meds.
It helps for everyone to know , so offenses aren't taken and we can encourage him to get back on them.
When he's off them, he thinks the Jews at the hospital have a conspiracy against him and others and give him the meds to keep him from telling people about their ulterior motives.
It's gotta be tough for him and I think we can all be understanding and supportive.
Paranoia is a bitch of a place for anyone to be in!
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
Diploid
Cuban
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
|
I dated a schizophrenic once. Yikes! Never again!
--------------------
Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
Edited by Diploid (01/11/06 07:08 AM)
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Diploid]
#5163901 - 01/10/06 05:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
What was it like?
My brother was diagnosed with a mild case of paranoid schizophrenia. His meds help A LOT. For a time, he thought everyone who was helping him was out to hurt him. He was REALLY mean to the family making all sorts of horrible accusations. He drove everyone away from him. It was a tough time for all of us. He was drinking heavily during that time too and using a lot of hard drugs. I'm grateful he saw reason to get help and got it.
It's weird that when you try to help someone who's paranoid, they think you are trying to trick them. They don't trust anyone.
He really turned things around and is doing really well for himself now.
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Diploid]
#5163904 - 01/10/06 05:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Did you know she/he had schizophrenia before you started dating, or did it just ... come up?
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
|
|
My brother is a schizophrenic. Even at his worst I don't hear him spouting Nazi diatribe. He might have issues that make him hard to deal with sometimes, but he doesn't spew hate.
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
|
Beat me to my post.
Yeah, the right medicine makes the difference. Thing is, everyone has their pick, and its often hard for a doctor to diagnose the one that would fit them most. I used to be on Zonegran for a while for my epilepsy ... lets just say narcolepsy like a motherfucker.
|
Fospher
Crime FightingMaster Criminal
Registered: 02/09/05
Posts: 2,033
Loc: The Netherlands
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5163921 - 01/10/06 06:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
different strokes...
|
Sclorch
Clyster
Registered: 07/12/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness
|
 Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Diploid]
#5164027 - 01/10/06 06:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm too paranoid of having a mental disorder to be schizophrenic.
--------------------
Note: In desperate need of a cure...
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5164037 - 01/10/06 06:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Hue, there are two different diagnosis. Some are just diagnosed with schizophrenia, which is experienced differently by many and to different degrees and some get the paranoid added to it.
My brother had more of the paranoid part diagnoses- bet it was all the drugs and drinking and mild on the schizo.
It was the paranoia that made him so mean.
A friends mother in law is just schizophrenic and is friendly and easy going with them. She'll do things like walk around the neighborhood naked or wear tin foil hats to keep the aliens from talking to her. She does more funny stuff and isn't mean.
The thing is, droz shows a pattern of speaking about paranoid Jewish conspiracies every time he goes off of them. This quirk is specific to him. I'm not giving him an excuse for it. He needs to take responsibility and stay on his meds. I'm just sharing an explanation for those who don't know, what droz is okay with people knowing.
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
|
|
My brother is a paraoid shizophrenic. I have seen him use blank radio stations to interfere with "directional thought detection hardware". Being racist is a choice that is under one's control. Taking medication is under one's control. Going along with the treatment and doing ones best is under ones control. It is all motivation and choice. Even a schizophrenic must ultimately assume responsibility for their behavior.
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
Diploid
Cuban
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Sclorch]
#5164126 - 01/10/06 07:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm too paranoid of having a mental disorder to be schizophrenic.
You're only schizophrenic if they aren't really following you.
--------------------
Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5164140 - 01/10/06 07:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I agree. Reem him out for not taking responcibility to keep himself under control with his meds.
In the mean time, he's obviously off them and I think it's important for people to know what he gets like off them.
Next time you see him putting up some normal posts, PM him about the jerky racists comments he makes when he goes off his meds and when he's on them, it'll be easier to reason with him why he should stay on them. If not, he will offend and push away a lot of people from himself. I don't think he means to do that.
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
|
The whole thing is sad. I think you've made some good suggestions.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
|
|
I do note that most of the offensive posts he has made concern hating Jews or Mormons. A schizophrenics delusions do not remain consistent over months...let alone a full year. Schizophrenic delusions are very nonsensical and not well organized at all. On top of that I have only seen a few of this guys posts that were not hate based in the first place. Mental illness is not an excuse and should not be considered one, nor should allowances be made when the mentally ill behave badly and blame their disorder. On top of all of that hate based thinking goes against my deepest core values. He needs to get his shit together or get going.
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5164315 - 01/10/06 07:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I just took the time to go back over a couple of pages of his posts. I only saw one that I might consider hate based.
Delusional is more like it, and confused. I think Droz is having a hard time accepting and loving himself and he's on the run. I don't feel that he is evil/bad. Scared would be a better term.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5164382 - 01/10/06 08:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I have seen probably 8 ant-semitic posts over the last year, and one directed at Mormons. Most of his others are just one-liners. In life I judge people by their actions...here I judge by what people write. I know nothing of his illness beyond what he has offered. I won't excuse such behavior and give the person a favorable opinion on the basis of supposed mental illness. I can have compassion while rejecting his ideas in a strong fashion. If he is having problems he should step up to the plate and seek wholeness. A horse can be led to water...
--------------------
"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
|
MarkostheGnostic
Elder
Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 14,279
Loc: South Florida 
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5164885 - 01/10/06 09:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Well, you know, the unconscious that gives rise to complex dream scenarios also gives rise to complex delusions. And, both create from the existential 'givens' of one's life experiences. So, if the fellow is living in some redneck central Florida locale, there's bound to be residual Klan mentality about. I mean, Davie, Florida is 20 minutes from my door, and until recently the KKK still lit up crosses at rallies. Combine this with the long held scapegoat role played by Jews the world over and one has a multilayered psycho-history to draw into one's psychosis! Just surmising.
--------------------
γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
|
mikeownow
Humungus fungus
Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 2,856
Loc: WA,USA
Last seen: 17 years, 5 months
|
|
He must have been playing final fantacy to long. Don't worry once the FF wares off he will be all good again!
--------------------
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5165239 - 01/10/06 10:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I hear you Hue, But as of tonight I really hadn't realized that this guy had a problem, ( not paying attention) so I'm just now trying to figure out how I feel about this. I'm not jumping to any conclusions but I suspect you may be right.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Silversoul]
#5166505 - 01/11/06 08:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Paradigm said:
From the posts I've seen from Droz, I'm positiive he's schizophrenic. It's sad, really. That's why I just try to ignore posts like these, because there's just no way to know what's going through his mind.
Gee, I thought Droz was female.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166667 - 01/11/06 09:36 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Now who's delusional 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/11/06 09:44 AM)
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166685 - 01/11/06 09:42 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
So sad.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166689 - 01/11/06 09:45 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
My bad.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166696 - 01/11/06 09:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
sorry; I was trying to make a witty conjunction between delusion, schizophrenia and Paradigm's post-so sad.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166698 - 01/11/06 09:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
And I was just practicing my rhyming.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166833 - 01/11/06 10:43 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I don't think people who are diagnosed to be schizophrenic or delusional are necessarily 'sad'. Is it sad for me because they are not like me? or should you feel sad because they are not like me?
Should the schizophrenic and delusional amongst us feel sad because they do not meet up with the expectations of Paradigm ?
If I think it is a sad state of affairs because people don't meet my expectations, then is that an indication of a tyrannical perspective and attitude of superiority on the part of myself and those who agree with me on that issue?
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166842 - 01/11/06 10:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I hear you. But it's sad when a delusional state turns negative.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166867 - 01/11/06 10:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Negative could be a personal conclusion. But that doesn't mean a person might not prefer to exist in a state of delusion if confronted with facts and choice of perspectives.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166876 - 01/11/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm talking about racist remarks. Residing in a delusional state out of choice is the norm for maybe all of us.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166891 - 01/11/06 11:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I'm not well aquainted with magic and have no comment on whether the use of any certain kind constitutes a slur.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5166928 - 01/11/06 11:13 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Look at the thread title. See the word evil anywhere?
Now read the rest of that post.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/11/06 11:14 AM)
|
Droz
Love of Life
Registered: 10/15/00
Posts: 2,746
Loc: Floorida
Last seen: 8 years, 8 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166935 - 01/11/06 11:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
No, I seem to blurt out topics by the dozen.
It's like i'm angry at people and i can't control my anger.
Like i said i blurt out stuff.
--------------------
Evolution of Time.
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166947 - 01/11/06 11:20 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said:
Look at the thread title. See the word evil anywhere?
Now read the rest of that post.
Black magic is evil by definition. 
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5166960 - 01/11/06 11:23 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Droz said:
No, I seem to blurt out topics by the dozen.
It's like i'm angry at people and i can't control my anger.
Like i said i blurt out stuff.
But who are you really angry at? You are focusing your anger away from where it belongs maybe. Ever think about this. Most people do it. You're not unique in that. But anger will consume you until you are willing to look deeply into and feel who you are really angry at. 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5166979 - 01/11/06 11:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I feel uncomfortable using definitives such as 'Evil' 'Hot' etc.
If people want to use definitives then I guess there is no gray area. I think it's too easy to say "That's evil" and respond emotionaly accordingly and then qualify our actions as 'good' because we responded to 'evil' when in fact we were just carried away on a fit of rage and were using a scapegoat to vent our feelings on. Does that make the scapegoat 'evil'? No.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167006 - 01/11/06 11:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
See above post to Droz.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5167035 - 01/11/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
So if someone commits a crime because they exist in a state of delusion, then are they not accountable?
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167079 - 01/11/06 11:51 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Legally or ethically?
Legally, if someone cannot distinguish between right and wrong, they are insane & not accountable for their actions.
Ethically, one is accountable for all volitional (not performed under duress) actions.
|
Sclorch
Clyster
Registered: 07/12/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness
|
 Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167098 - 01/11/06 11:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Booby said:
So if someone commits a crime because they exist in a state of delusion, then are they not accountable?
Whoa... careful, you don't want to get banned for pulling the wool down.
--------------------
Note: In desperate need of a cure...
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167105 - 01/11/06 11:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
So if it can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the majority of us exist in a state of delusion then legaly we are unaccountable for our actions. Yes?
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167123 - 01/11/06 12:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The legal system is also in a state of delusion. We are using delusional people to interpret laws and rules.
Somehow I think you and I are not on the same page in this conversation.
Droz is just a little more out there than the "normal" delusional person. But that may not even be true.
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167132 - 01/11/06 12:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
If the answer is 'Yes' then there can be no karmic responsibility for actions; Yes?
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167136 - 01/11/06 12:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The delusion would have to specifically affect your ability to distinguish right from wrong with regard to the crime committed.
For example, I might be under the delusion that I can fly. While I could still be considered insane, I would not get off scot-free if I committed murder.
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5167152 - 01/11/06 12:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
Mental illness is not an excuse and should not be considered one, nor should allowances be made when the mentally ill behave badly and blame their disorder. On top of all of that hate based thinking goes against my deepest core values. He needs to get his shit together or get going.
You recognize that this person has a medically acknowledged mental disorder. You then leave the decision to effectively solve the problem you have described with his behavior to himself, as if he is a consciously aware person who has a great enough understanding of his situation to be able to take proper steps towards healing himself.
Perhaps you are not aware of the true nature of his apparent problem? Do you really think someone who is delusional to the point where they will sprout hate-based language formed as a result of irrational thought processes is capable of being regarded as someone who can make such a decision, regardless of how severely your deepest core values have been violated?  Perhaps they are, perhaps they are not, but let us not proclaim that, as we are to be responsible for ourselves and our actions, everyone is aware of what responsibility is and how to engage it.
Ultimately, he is fully responsible for his thoughts and his actions. This isn't a realization that everyone is deeply aware of. It is a learned concept, and it is nonsense to hold such an expectation on others if one is not going to play an effective role in promoting the understanding of that concept to them.
Its one thing to realize aspects of the true nature of reality, it is another thing entirely to promote the realization of these aspects of the true nature of reality. In a time of ignorant slumber, it is foolishness to paint eyes on their eyelids.  Let us perceive their dream and reveal the inconsistencies in order to restore the awareness that one is asleep. Transcendence/startled awakening. 
 
Peace. 
--------------------
 
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
  
 
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167186 - 01/11/06 12:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Veritas said:
The delusion would have to specifically affect your ability to distinguish right from wrong with regard to the crime committed.
If in following the definition of 'Evil' I committed a crime , then I am not karmicaly accountable because I exist in a state of publicly acceptable delusion in regards to just what constitutes 'Evil'.
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167197 - 01/11/06 12:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
If karma exists, it would have more to do with ethics than law, methinks. Many crimes which go unpunished legally would still result in "bad karma."
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167225 - 01/11/06 12:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Veritas said:
Ethically, one is accountable for all volitional (not performed under duress) actions.
Within the framework of ethics, then, exactly what is it that holds one accountable for these volitional actions?
And what of duress? Does duress need to be defined as immediate threat on one's life? Is there a difference between tangible threat and irrationally perceived threat?
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
Booby
Agent Mulder
Registered: 09/14/05
Posts: 3,781
Last seen: 14 years, 4 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167227 - 01/11/06 12:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Do you think we are responsible for seeing thru the brainwashing techniques of governments and religions on us?
--------------------
Let it not be remembered
That mycelium eats detritus and dies
But that life in all it's glory
Counts mycelium to be on it's side.
Edited by Booby (01/11/06 12:27 PM)
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
|
Quote:
what trait of aspect that is present in one that thus makes one accountable
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167243 - 01/11/06 12:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Is that apple you're picking in your sig for me?
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Icelander]
#5167245 - 01/11/06 12:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
She's picking a flower for her own sniffing pleasure.
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167252 - 01/11/06 12:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Booby said:
Are we responsible then for seeing thru the brainwashing techniques of governments and religions on us?
Certainly. Why wouldn't we be?
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167268 - 01/11/06 12:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Veritas said:
Quote:
what trait of aspect that is present in one that thus makes one accountable
Indeed, it seems as though you are quite confused.
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
|
Your sentence doesn't make sense, dear. Please elaborate for the sake of those who do not live on YOUR side of your skull.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167287 - 01/11/06 12:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Damn, Icelander likes apples. 
--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Booby]
#5167295 - 01/11/06 12:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Booby said:
Do you think we are responsible for seeing thru the brainwashing techniques of governments and religions on us?
Responsibility is far too much of a dynamic, subtle concept for one to be able to answer specific questions in the manner in which you posed them.
Essentially, as the only person who has the ability to influence one's thought processes, which are responsible for one's experience and one's behaviors, one is responsible for everything pertaining to oneself.
If you are not capable of influencing your thought processes, then "you" are a stalemated identity that has no temple and no dominion. Perhaps this identity shall observe in order to understand how to seize the throne? 
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167307 - 01/11/06 12:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Veritas said:
Your sentence doesn't make sense, dear. Please elaborate for the sake of those who do not live on YOUR side of your skull.
In what subtle manner would it be in that I would use the ninja emoticon? Something is amiss here, and I have referred to your state of confusion because your quotation of my text does not reflect reality as it can be directly perceived.
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Droz]
#5167315 - 01/11/06 12:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Droz said:
With the use of black magick and the rest they seem to be the ones who are condemning themselves the most.
Droz, what kind of black magik are you referring to? Any specific powers or spells?
Also, what are they condemning themselves to?
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
|
Quote:
fireworks_god said:
Quote:
Veritas said:
Ethically, one is accountable for all volitional (not performed under duress) actions.
Within the framework of ethics, then, exactly what is it that holds one accountable for these volitional actions?
Ethical accountability is a concept, not an enforcement agency.
Quote:
And what of duress? Does duress need to be defined as immediate threat on one's life? Is there a difference between tangible threat and irrationally perceived threat?
"Duress:
1 : forcible restraint or restriction
2 : compulsion by threat; specifically : unlawful constraint"
As to "tangible" vs. "irrationally perceived," that brings us back to delusion again. Ethical accountability is not to be determined by the individual about themself, but by the "rational person" standard. If a rational person would believe that you committed a crime under duress, i.e. actual threat, then your actions would not be considered volitional, and thus you would not be held ethically accountable.
|
gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
|
|
Nice post FW!
Droz, when you feel angry and have no control over spewing hateful remarks, why not post in OTD where they'll love you for it?
I think Hue was saying, it's not appropriate in this forum. It is in OTD where people without clinical diagnosis do it every day.
Seriously, this all falls under the taming your demons topics. Sure, prescription drugs keep them suppressed, but sooner or later, don't you think people have to come to terms "peaceful resolutions" with their own demons?
What if the people we dope up and keep suppressed, have them to deal with them in the after life (if there is one), when here is where we are suppose to do it, or where it is easier to do it because of the concrete grounds we have?
I know therapy should go along with the prescriptions, but the more I am hearing, its about diagnosis, prescription, and on your way and not so much about self help self management and self control. Maybe in some cases, it just can't be realistically expected
I give that Nobel Prize winner John Nash a shit load of credit for going off his meds, and going through the process of self understanding FW was talking about and being able to get control of himself through understanding, what was really here that everyone was seeing and what wasn't. It lead him into a lot of meta-physical research to understand what was happening with him. Granted, he also had a lot of supportive and understanding people around him.
I'm referring to the movie, a Beautiful Mind.
There were some intense scenes, like when he almost let his baby drown and when that dude "only he saw" was yelling at him to kill his wife because she was getting in the way of his (secret government work)
Mostly just wanted to say I appreciated your understanding post FW and any time I see anyone seeking to understand before judging. It's my understanding that isolating and alienating people with mental illness, only makes the problem worse. It's also my understanding that early child hood alienation can lead to "escaping"-schizo type mental behavior" and the cause of the anger that is unleashed by some paranoid schizophrenics.
Like I said my brother was diagnosed with a mild form of it. When he was one and half, my next oldest sibling died of SIDS. my mom withdrew and my older brother was definitely alienated from her emotionally for years until the next child came and she got back into the game of life. I think that fucked him up.
You hue said your brother has it and that your mom was also in emotional alienation mode. There may be something to it
If droz is dealing with earlier alienation issues, our alienating him from this forum isn't helping. I think it's important we help him to understand that HE is welcome here in P&S, it's the hateful comments that are not no matter who spews them.
FW
--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
Re: The jewish evil traits. [Re: Veritas]
#5167364 - 01/11/06 12:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Veritas said:
[Ethical accountability is a concept, not an enforcement agency.
Exactly, it is a concept, and it states that one is to be held accountable for one's actions. I want to know if this concept of ethics answers the question "Why is one held accountable for one's actions", and, as well, "What is it that designates one as being accountable?". What trait evident in being a human being defines one as being held accountable for one's actions?
I'm simply trying to build an understanding of a structured sense of ethics as you are representing it. If there are no answers to these questions, then ethics might not be an enforcement agency, but it certainly would be a judicial branch.
Quote:
If a rational person would believe that you committed a crime under duress, i.e. actual threat, then your actions would not be considered volitional, and thus you would not be held ethically accountable.
What is the difference, in an ethical sense, between someone who murders several times in order to receive a financial gain necessary to sustain his and his family's life that could not be received by any other means, and someone who kills one other person because a gun was held to their head and they were commanded to do it?
What is the value in determining who is acting in a more ethical fashion? Can a system of ethics come to a conclusion as to who displays more ethical behavior than the other?
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
|
|
Quote:
gettinjiggywithit said:
If droz is dealing with earlier alienation issues, our alienating him from this forum isn't helping.
It is rather evident that, considering the nature of this forum and the way it unfolds, most people who read his posts will never be aware that the person expressing them has a mental disorder. However, it is important to realize that anyone engaging in any such similar behavior as that which has been witnessed in this thread by the original poster is more than likely suffering from some sort of mental or emotional problem. People tend to focus on the person with the problem and seek to remove them or regard them as they would themselves in order to bring resolution, but the problem is the exhibited behavior, and pushing the person away will only make our situation on this planet worse, whether or not it directly comes back and bites us in the face.
Peace.
--------------------
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
|
Veritas
Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
|
Quote:
fireworks_god said:
Quote:
Veritas said:
Ethical accountability is a concept, not an enforcement agency.
Exactly, it is a concept, and it states that one is to be held accountable for one's actions. I want to know if this concept of ethics answers the question "Why is one held accountable for one's actions", and, as well, "What is it that designates one as being accountable?".
As a sub-branch of philosophy, ethics does not explore the "why" and "what" of it, but specifically the "ethical" or "not-ethical" of it.
Quote:
What trait evident in being a human being defines one as being held accountable for one's actions?
Is this a leading question? I'm still not grokking you on this point.
Quote:
I'm simply trying to build an understanding of a structured sense of ethics as you are representing it. If there are no answers to these questions, then ethics might not be an enforcement agency, but it certainly would be a judicial branch.
Ethics is a fairly narrow system for examining the "quality" of actions. The judicial system does this also, but follows up with punishment to fit the crime.
Quote:
What is the difference, in an ethical sense, between someone who murders several times in order to receive a financial gain necessary to sustain his and his family's life that could not be received by any other means, and someone who kills one other person because a gun was held to their head and they were commanded to do it?
That would depend upon which ethical "school" you were relying upon for examination.
Quote:
What is the value in determining who is acting in a more ethical fashion? Can a system of ethics come to a conclusion as to who displays more ethical behavior than the other?
I don't see a particular value in it. It may be used to guide one's actions, I suppose, but as there are no real "conclusions," it is still just your best guess. Perhaps making more educated, conscious decisions about your own ethical behavior?
For more info.:
http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/L132#L132P5.19
Edited by Veritas (01/11/06 01:26 PM)
|
|
Threaded
Previous
Index
Next
Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order 
Bulk Substrate 
Feminized Cannabis Seeds 
Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder 
Red Vein Kratom
Edit 
Reply 
1 2 3 4 all )
SneezingPenis
MOTH
DoctorJ
CerebralFlower
WScott