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The true nature of man
    #871058 - 09/09/02 03:18 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This isn't so much a debate as it is a poll. I am curious as to what people think the true nature of man is......Are we basically evil, war mongerers that are only interested in our own greed? OR....are we basically genuine, caring people that make the occasional mistake?


I'll give the first reply: I feel that man is basically good!!! We as individuals have nothing to gain by helping others in need yet people do so all the time. I think there is way more good in the world than evil but let the media tell it and we are in a living hell. Don't be misled by what the TV shows you.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871075 - 09/09/02 03:40 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i think our nature is at its root neither good nor bad...... or maybe both, good and bad. I think that when people take a turn toward the good or bad, it has alot to do with their surroundings and their overall up bringing. also, i dont believe that we could ever truley be all good, or all bad in our nature, because with out one we wouldnd know the other, nature in its very definition (or at least mine) needs to have some sort of balance to it, the whol yin and yang deal, i hope im making sence, im pretty stoned......lol


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871083 - 09/09/02 03:45 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

All humans are sovereign divine beings composed of love and light whose original nature is goodness. Only through the illusions of material reality do we lose focus on this truth.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: Shroomism]
    #871091 - 09/09/02 03:49 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

oh wow.... too deep for me, lost me there.......lol :grin: but how can you have goodness, with out the bad to compare it to? really....if we were all good in nature, then how did so many bad people come about? if only good was in our nature, how would we know how to be bad? i believe that our origonal nature consist of both the good and the bad, with the free will to determine which to choose. 


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: wrestler_az]
    #871096 - 09/09/02 03:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Good and bad.. polarities.. this is how we perceive it.
I'm saying humans at the spirit level are composed of the same unlimitied potential and creation that the original creation has... creation both good and bad..simultaneously. I suppose you could call Creation the good and Destruction the bad. Our inherit nature is creation, love... but in a polarized reality such as this third dimension we can lose focus on that and focus on destruction..fear. Two sides of the same thing. [/babble]


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: Shroomism]
    #871110 - 09/09/02 04:05 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ya i guess...... maybe ill reread this thread tomarow, with a more clear mind..... im having a hard time understanding the concept of PURE goodness. i dont believe such a thing exists.....even GOD has the potential to be bad, that is, his nature contains both the powers to create and destroy, and he has used both at times.....sure, we were created with nothing but good intentions, but some of the worst crimes in history had good intentions......the fact that we were created with all good things in mind does not change the fact that it is in our nature to be either....we are created with the same unlimmited pontential as our creator both good and bad, and givven the opprutinity to chose between the two, hence making our origonal nature a combination of the two.....


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: wrestler_az]
    #871114 - 09/09/02 04:07 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah I forgot all about free will. That's the one universal truth.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871320 - 09/09/02 09:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think that when we are young and innocent it is the environment that shapes us to have "evil" or a destructive nature. I think we are all good-natured but it's the different aspects of material reality that cause us to fear and destroy.

Look at dogs, for example... If you've ever seen a dog raised in a bad environment, where their owner uses physical force against them and puts them in a state of constant fear, you can see that the dog turns to violence rather quickly. If you raise a dog yourself and use love and care with it, it will retain those innocent or "good" qualities.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871352 - 09/09/02 10:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

it depends: on the surface, the ego is mostly about greed. money, fame, recognition... all of these things must be maintained in order to have a healthy ego. if you delve deeper, i think that we are all one and therefore are good (ie. we are all in it together for a common goal, whatever it might be)...


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871623 - 09/09/02 12:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Mankind is evil.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871714 - 09/09/02 01:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Who each one of us are I believe to be fundamentally good. It is when you get more than one person together in the same place at the same time that competition arises, and this is where most evil deeds come from. I think that to fully realize our inherent goodness we must abandon our notions of self and other and realize that we are all part of the universe striving for the same thing: life and love.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: Metasyn]
    #871839 - 09/09/02 08:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I hear you. I think people are the best when they are sleeping.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #871980 - 09/09/02 10:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How about none of the above (not the posts, good or evil)? I think humans are fundamentally amoral.

An interesting place to study thoughts on this topic is the early Confucianist philosophers. They were very interested in the topic, as the result also tells how to get people to behave properly.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #872081 - 09/09/02 10:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Are we basically evil, war mongerers that are only interested in our own greed?
(war mongerers = warmongers)
I think history fairly clearly bears this out seeing as Homo sapiens have most likely wiped out Cro-Magnon man, Neanderthal man, any other intelligent hominids and most large predators. Then moved on to genocide in Nigeria, Germany, Russia, Cambodia, Somalia, et al.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: ToxicMan]
    #872095 - 09/09/02 11:06 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hey! How come you didn't stop by my thread? Huh huh huh? What are ya? Stuck-up?

We're having a blast in there and I think we're just about to bask in the light of the overarching metaphor where everything is connected to everything else.

Sometimes I find that slightly more interesting that answering the thought provoking question: "What are these?"

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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #872139 - 09/09/02 11:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I do think we all have an evil part but keepin it down is what most of us do the best. I believe that the nature of a man/women is individual and doesn`t apply to everyone, the nature is our instincts.
(just a thought)


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #872273 - 09/09/02 12:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

We are animals, struggling to survive at all costs like any other animal. If that makes us good, then we is good. If that makes us bad, then we is bad. 'Good' and 'Bad' are just concepts made up by humans to judge each other anyway. Some of our evolutionary advantages make us seem gooder to each other (empathy, love), and some of them make us badder (greed, cell phones).


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: chemkid]
    #872432 - 09/09/02 01:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You can't really generalize humanity as 'good' or 'bad'. You have humans like Mother Teresa who enter this world, and then you have humans like Adolf Hitler who enter this world.

There are bad humans, and there are good humans. There is nothing in between.


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #872441 - 09/09/02 01:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that Humans are not evil/good much like Cyberchump
and that our judgements of good and bad are simple, and relative. Hitler wouldn't look that bad if we ended up in a nuclear winter.
We are simply whatever the sum of our memories make us
Shitty childhood? probably going to be bad
Great childhood? probaly going to be good
probaly= there are factors concerning chemical imbalances that may increase the likeliness of either. As are there are exeptions simply because of free will


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Re: The true nature of man [Re: blink]
    #872472 - 09/09/02 02:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yea the sum of our memories seems to reflect on human memory universally (or human history)
we've had a shitty upbringing but we're just now starting to make sense of it and clear our heads of that negativity..
spiraling correlations.


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