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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5364928 - 03/04/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So I keep my birthright and thank g*d, that I am not invented by any human and am no property myself to anybody, except myself and g*d.




You assert that it is a birth-right, and that it is natural, but you never state what the birth-right is, or what justifies it beyond your own assertion that it is "right", and that it is "natural", despite the fact that no aspect of nature guarantees that one has a right to live.

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The simplest view on that is, as I said before, too, the perspective of most native cultures who live in harmony with nature. Haven't you occupied yourself with that ?




What is "living in harmony with nature"? Nature is an interdependant system of interaction of an environment. It would seem that anything that occurs is nature.

If anything, the ultimate inspiration for one to live in "harmony with nature" is to have a sense of ownership, to identify yourself with it, as an aspect of oneself and oneself being an aspect of it.

Is the concept of ownership anything more than an abstraction that we have created for ourselves? Not anymore than this "natural birth-right" you allude to is anything more than our own assertion as well. :lol:

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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5365171 - 03/04/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Only because some man invents some bullshit concepts about property over natural resources, what makes it impossible to me to get my support from nature directly should support agreement on that concept ? Forget it.
I am here, nobody asked me, if I will follow some previously invented concepts and laws. I will do follow those, who I think are right for me, too, and I will always battle those, which were imposed upon me and to which I am not in acceptance.

This is one of my natural birth rights, for example.


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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5365233 - 03/04/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Only because some man invents some bullshit concepts about property over natural resources, what makes it impossible to me to get my support from nature directly should support agreement on that concept ? Forget it.




Its more possible without as much effort to sustain a life from whatever means of access to resources one has in this day and age than it ever was before now. Before man had created some "bullshit" concept of ownership, you would be handed a stick with a sharpened end and would be expected to assist in murdering an animal sixty-six times the weight of oneself. Is this what you refer to when you mention directly supporting oneself off of natural resources? :grin:

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I am here, nobody asked me, if I will follow some previously invented concepts and laws. I will do follow those, who I think are right for me, too, and I will always battle those, which were imposed upon me and to which I am not in acceptance.




I am here, and nobody asked me if I wished to be thrust into a situation where I must actively support my life, which is a fragile concept that can, at any time, be taken away.

I understand the fact that we have a right to bring change to the aspects of reality that effect us, but yet you are rather unclear as to exactly which is unjust that is inflicted upon you, and what it is that you seek to bring forth.

I realize this isn't what we were originally discussing, but I'll go with the flow and continue to pursue any discussion that might possibly be allowed to result. :wink:

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This is my natural birth right, for example.




What is? The ability to create change?

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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5365243 - 03/04/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Because like other primates, we're territorial.

If it's yours, it's yours. The more money, property you have, the more properous you are. It's all about attracting and keeping a mate.


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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: Xris]
    #5365334 - 03/04/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If it's yours, it's yours.  The more money, property you have, the more properous you are.  It's all about attracting and keeping a mate.




I disagree. Our human nature is that we can create for ourselves any motivation for our actions or any manner in which we wish to represent reality. Money as a resource of effort and ownership of land are means by which to fufill the necessities for continued life, which subsequently yields forth the realm of our experience.  I do not seek to own land some day as a means to attract or to keep a mate, but to have an environment in which I can cultivate my physical surroundings in order to facilitate my mental landscapes. :wink:

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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5366541 - 03/05/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Can I see your existence permission ownership card ?
It soon will be time for air ownership, too. Have you saved your rights ? CO2 emission licences are only the beginning.
When will there be mobility tax, and relaxation tributes ? Ah ok, we still need that chip been implanted ? No, don't worry we will find some other ways :lol:

I claim ownership upon all light which enters earth atmosphere ! Now come and buy some !

No better, I claim right upon all carbon atoms of the universe !
TV-Spot: Have you paid your carbons lately ? Remember, they are not yours and we may take it.

The primitive principle is the same in any case: First they will take it from you and then you may pay for it, if you are lucky, while holding you down with power and might, money and weapons,  nonsense arguments and yada concepts of society and justice and nescessity and lies and brainwash and so forth and so on, while they grow more fat and greedy. They will call the nescessity to eat, greed and predatory, for justification and masking of their evil deeds and to make us blind with bullshit, that we may not see their mal intention and own real greed and real predatory, which only results out of injustice and imbalance and the refusal of natural rights to the people. Full stop.

Wake up, gals'n'guys !

Poor earth, silly humans :frown:


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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5366580 - 03/05/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your emotional, ironic rant notwithstanding, no one ever claimed that the concept of ownership was justified, beyond that of our own assertions, or even beneficial to our experience as human beings. That has been the point all along. :foreheadslap:

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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5366625 - 03/05/06 07:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And I said how and why the concept of ownership arose, arises and will arise in human society and why it is blasphemous and why it is against nature.


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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5366629 - 03/05/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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And I said... why it is against nature.




In actuality, you have not demonstrated how the sense of ownership is agansit nature. In fact, this is the claim that has repeatedly been questioned and said questions ignored. :lol:

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Re: Owning the earth, and other blasphemies against nature [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5367254 - 03/05/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We should look at naturally vs unnaturally a bit closer. I remember some threads here dealing with that, but with no single solutions.
In general, unnaturally is something, which doesn't fit into some kind of unconscious or unintelligent conscious context.
For example, as it is unnatural, at these times that penguins walk around at the Arctics, who did not find their way by their own.
Now there comes the part of intelligent consciousness. Somehow this specific consciousness is able to form abstract concepts, which it is able to force upon nature. This also seems to be a gradual process, as some concept can stay in tune with unconscious nature and some can derivate quite a lot.
Unfortunately humans seem to be the only ones on this planet who own this in some distinct way.

If there are penguins walking around the Arctic, and they did not find their way by themselves, but were moved by some external intelligent consciousness (humans shipping them there), then it is some unnatural state.
Don't ask me exactly, when the human intelligent conscious deeds (mostly following abstract concepts) start to leave the natural level, but it also seems to be a matter of spirituality.

Perhaps you will see this as a rant again, but as far as I know, the only concepts of unnaturally are in context with humans. Perhaps we can bring the exploration of the deviation points a bit forward then ? This might share some light for you on the human intelligent and conscious concept of unnatural property :lol:


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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