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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
As much as I'm all for the eradication of the human species in favor of a more evolved species, I know that's going to take longer than I have left on this planet.


:crankey: i know all that, but you know, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it, and i'm trying to make motherfuckers drink it, not just tout hip jive-talk, like you.

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The Ecstatic said:
A spectre is haunting Europe.




yeah, it's called censorship and race-baiting.

you know, white people shit. :rolleyes: (see what i did there?)

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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: akira_akuma]
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Thats the first sentence of the communist manifesto :smile:


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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: The Ecstatic]
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yep. certainly a way with words.

but anyone can foresee the downfall of man, given man's general tendencies. still don't see how such a downfall will lead to communism, though. :lol:

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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: akira_akuma]
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Downfall of man = rise of feminazis + cultural marxism = communism


Its all in the book.


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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: The Ecstatic]
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yep, he certainly had a way with words.

his premise is still faulty, however. wishful thinking, on his part. plus "everything will be better" =/= everything will be as 'it should be'. -- not mutually exclusive concepts -- always better to think of and then employ solutions that don't wait for collapse, and/or rely on presuppositions as concoctions to anticipate solutions (to problems which are usually invented to begin with).

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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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I made up that last bit. Not even Marx could foresee the rise of the feminazis and their oppressive demands for equality.

And cultural marxism is the polished turd version of 'race mixing.'


Ask any gadsden flag waving mouth breather what will be the downfall of glorious capitalism (which they also equate with democracy), and theyll tell you political correctness and cultural diversity.


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Re: Viktor reads: The Manifesto of Anders Breivik [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
yep, he certainly had a way with words.

his premise is still faulty, however. wishful thinking, on his part. plus "everything will be better" =/= everything will be as 'it should be'. -- not mutually exclusive concepts -- always better to think of and then employ solutions that don't wait for collapse, and/or rely on presuppositions as concoctions to anticipate solutions (to problems which are usually invented to begin with).


Marx is best read for his critiques on capitalism. Those ideas are somewhat tangible and rooted in facts, we can see them being reinforced everyday. But his theorizing on the path to communism, and the socialist transition therein, is speculative.


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Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Much of this section (pages c. 200-286) relates to further elucidation of the nature of the relations between Muslims and Christians. Here Breivik takes care to ensure that the Christians are always cast as the victims. When recounting the Muslim conquest of Lebanon, he draws special attention to the fact that the percentage of Christians there has declined from roughly 79% to 25% in the last century.

One point that is hard to refute is that Islam conquered immense swathes of territory in the century after the death of Muhammad. Breivik points out the unlikelihood of a fundamentally peaceful religion spreading so rapidly and so violently so quickly – indeed, such a rapid, aggressive expansion can only be explained by the religion being fundamentally violent.

This perhaps has led to the world-view expressed in the early part of the document as being one of noble resistance against the plundering Islamic hordes. It also explains why much of this document painstakingly recounts the specifics of the conflicts.

This world-view has led to some far-reaching conclusions, such as that a reluctance on the part of European leaders to protect Christian communities in the Middle East is the equivalent of high treason. This might make some sense if a person considers themselves part of the Christian yang locked into an eternal struggle with the Islamic yin, where all Christians are part of the same “team”.

Most of Breivik’s rhetoric appears designed specifically to appeal to Christians: the “us and them” nature of relations between Christendom and the Islamic world is emphasised. There doesn’t seem to be much room for people who aren’t particularly enthusiastic about Christianity – if these people are Westerners, they have let Team Christian down by refusing to join them in their eternal struggle against Islam.

That concludes this section of Breivik’s manifesto. The next section looks at the problems currently besieging Europe.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: viktor] * 1
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Most people counted as christian are just those who live in xtian countries and probably never go to church or only rarely.

It is odd how the lefties consistently knock xtianity while embracing muslims. Its no coincidence the media pushes this view also, our left wing sheep take their marching orders from the media by and large. They say xtians are close minded and too religious, but muslims are victims and must be embraced and supported. Is it because they don't understand history, or don't understand islam or both? There are many peaceful islamists, but they often tacitly support the violent ones. If only 20% support violent jihad and only 1% are actual terrorists, that constitutes a major threat to our way of life even though most may be peaceful. And those figures may be higher in reality. Plus the ones who just steal, vandalize, grope, rape, and murder. Its ok because its against non muslims.


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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: Stonehenge]
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it would be so strange to live in such a black and white world after living out here in the full spectrum world for so long.

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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: relic]
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what black and white world are you talking about? Don't just say "your world" explain yourself instead of assuming.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
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Stonehenge said:
Is it because they don't understand history, or don't understand islam or both?


It's both. For one thing, they don't believe in history, to them it's just narratives that reflect European hegemony or some shit.

They also don't understand Islam - they don't read the Koran, not interested.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: relic]
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relic said:
it would be so strange to live in such a black and white world after living out here in the full spectrum world for so long.


Stone specifically pointed out how non black and white the issues relating to Muslims is in Western nations.

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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: viktor] * 1
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viktor said:
For one thing, they don't believe in history, to them it's just narratives that reflect European hegemony or some shit.


Wew lad. Thats rich coming from the "we gotta keep europe white at all costs" camp.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
viktor said:
For one thing, they don't believe in history, to them it's just narratives that reflect European hegemony or some shit.


Wew lad. Thats rich coming from the "we gotta keep europe white at all costs" camp.


Even by your standards that's a pathetic strawman.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: viktor]
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If you say so bud.


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: qman] * 3
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Stonehenge said:
what black and white world are you talking about? Don't just say "your world" explain yourself instead of assuming.



i can't believe i'm entertaining a bot, but here you go.

your world, where all lefties: fall prey to the lamestream media; worship obummer; think obammycare is the end all and be all of healthcare; are so lit up with the pc booshit that they can't see the light for the lit; wanted hitlery to be president; etc. etc. etc. black and white ad fucking nauseam.

you likely consider yourself a thinker but on this site you do little more than play the part of the good little puppy like your masters want you to.  your posts would be right at home on the foxnews comment section and that's when you know you've failed to interpret all the shades of gray. 


qman said:
relic said:
it would be so strange to live in such a black and white world after living out here in the full spectrum world for so long.


Stone specifically pointed out how non black and white the issues relating to Muslims is in Western nations.


for enlil:  *issues are

but excellent use of the quoting system, qman.  we can see you're learning to forum.

plz see above.

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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: relic]
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>your world, where all lefties: fall prey to the lamestream media; worship obummer; think obammycare is the end all and be all of healthcare; are so lit up with the pc booshit that they can't see the light for the lit; wanted hitlery to be president; etc. etc. etc. black and white ad fucking nauseam.

Did the lefties not vote for hitlery and support obummercare etc on this forum? Do they not seem to believe whatever fake news is in the media. Is that not the general rule here with a few exceptions? You are the one trying to live in a fake world in which the far left does not believe the msm, did not support obummer and his unafordable care act, etc.

I never said all support these things but you tell me I do, it seems its your world that is black and white. I can't believe I'm bothering to reply to someone who can not be reached by reason.

Then you give qman some of your attitude. Yep, you sound like a far leftie to me


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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
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Stonehenge said:
Did the lefties not vote for hitlery and support obummercare etc on this forum? Do they not seem to believe whatever fake news is in the media. Is that not the general rule here with a few exceptions? You are the one trying to live in a fake world in which the far left does not believe the msm, did not support obummer and his unafordable care act, etc.



except for a couple, no.  by and large people on the left wing of the political spectrum who regularly post here did little to exactly zero of what you describe.


Stonehenge said:
I can't believe I'm bothering to reply to someone who can not be reached by reason.



then stop generalizing, stereotyping, and treating every issue like there are only black & white options/answers and use reason to sway my opinion.  i listen to, appreciate, and admire the use of reason and logic so fire away, sir.

oh and RE: qman and his forum posting habits...i'm simply trying to poke him in the direction of not having to type so much while using the forum quoting feature for all it's worth.  i'm doing his median nerves a service--yay me!--while helping to lower healthcare costs for those in his pool (ditto!).

it is completely unnecessary for one to directly quote a post and then rewrite what one just quoted; it make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Re: Part 4 of Breivik's Manifesto [Re: relic]
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>>Did the lefties not vote for hitlery and support obummercare etc on this forum? Do they not seem to believe whatever fake news is in the media. Is that not the general rule here with a few exceptions? You are the one trying to live in a fake world in which the far left does not believe the msm, did not support obummer and his unafordable care act, etc.

>except for a couple, no.  by and large people on the left wing of the political spectrum who regularly post here did little to exactly zero of what you describe.

Lol, the lefties did not support hitlery or bummercare. In what world? Thats what I mean, people won't admit the most obvious things. There is really nothing left to discuss.


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