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Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder
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No, i'm not joking, thats what happened in minnesota. 2 young punks broke into a man's house, got their just deserts and the homeowner is looking at life in prison. What kind of message does this send to potential burglars? The man was in fear for his life, it was 2 against one and he was an old man. What would you do, tell them to take what they want and hope they don't kill you?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/minnesota-homeowner-kills-teens/8480047/


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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This guy may be a little fucked up but no matter what he did to make it look like no one was home or whatever those teens got what they deserve for breaking into someone's house.

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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: grower182] * 2
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I am all for killing home invaders, but the particulers I heard made him seem quite deranged. I heard he shot the female once, and then toldher 'you're dying', before shooting her in the bottom of face. He then dragged her into another room to wait and kill the boy.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Mr special, how do you know this is a fact? Were there any witnesses who testified to what you claim you "heard"? Or was it bullshit from a prosecutor who hoodwinked a jury into going along with it playing on their sympathy for young criminals?


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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It seems this was not the first time they broke into people's homes and stole shit. Society is well rid of those two. The old guy should get a medal.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A car linked to two Minnesota teens who were fatally shot during an alleged home burglary on Thanksgiving Day contained prescription drugs that had been stolen from another house, authorities said Wednesday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/28/homeowners-fatal-shootings/1732479/


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
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This isn't quite as you're portraying it though.  He shot one kid, and the kid was on the ground when he shot him again.  Then he shot the other kid who fell.  The guys gun jammed, he switched weapons, shot her a few more times, then dragged her next to the other guy and shot her in the chin.

At some point in there, he was no longer in reasonable fear for his life, yet he kept shooting.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Mr special, how do you know this is a fact? Were there any witnesses who testified to what you claim you "heard"? Or was it bullshit from a prosecutor who hoodwinked a jury into going along with it playing on their sympathy for young criminals?


Actually, he audio recorded the whole thing, offering a verbal play-by-play.

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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Le_Canard]
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http://www.mncourts.gov/Documents/0/Public/Court_Information_Office/BYRON_SMITH_STATEMENT__1_-_AUDIO.mp3 audio of police interviewing byron


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: jboredone]
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jboredone said:
http://www.mncourts.gov/Documents/0/Public/Court_Information_Office/BYRON_SMITH_STATEMENT__1_-_AUDIO.mp3 audio of police interviewing byron



You're going to need a lot of patiences to listen to this and skip the first 4mins at least.

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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: sweeper54]
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It seems he did kind of execute them and confessed to it. His mouth is what put him in jail, isn't that usually the case? I don't agree with executing someone that way even though they were dirtbags and apparently professional burglars. So the story was not as simple as it appeared on the surface.

The world is better off without scum like that but he should have just kept shooting in fear of them pulling a weapon on him or something. Doing it slowly and deliberately is not right, i will say that. I bet some of his neighbors are glad they died though they will not say so publicly for fear of a media style lynching.

2 less dirtbags and one homeowner we have to pay room and board for the rest of his life. Seems like a ten year sentence with time off for good behavior would have been more appropriate. Its not like he went out and shot them on the street revenge style. He was wrong but they asked for it.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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A ten year sentence would likely be the same as a life sentence for the man.  He'll almost certainly die in prison either way.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
A ten year sentence would likely be the same as a life sentence for the man.  He'll almost certainly die in prison either way.


He is only 65, his life expectancy is about 17 more years. Kids these days...


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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Your numbers are way off, son.  The average life expectancy for men in the U.S. is 76.  That gives him 11 years.  The average life expectance in prison is undoubtedly lower than that of the general population.

He will almost certainly be dead within 10 years.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Enlil]
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>He will almost certainly be dead within 10 years.

Talk shit much? According to the social security administration a 65 y/o male has an expectancy of 17.51 years. Get your facts straight before you put your mouth in gear, son.

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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I guess we'll have to follow up in 10 years, kid.  I'd lay 5 to 1 that he'll be dead.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Enlil]
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>>Talk shit much?

Clearly the answer is yes. It pisses you off to be proven wrong, doesn't it? When you get a little older you will learn that this is part of life.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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You've proven nothing yet, kiddo.  If you've got an actuarial table for life expectancy of a 65 year old in prison, present it.  I won't hold my breath, however.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Enlil]
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Ha ha, its amusing to watch the scramble of someone desperate to save face. I guess the govt doesn't know what they are talking about. Saying the word prison doesn't get you off the hook. I would take the bet if i thought you would pay off.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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So we're back to where we started.  I'm confident he'll be dead within 10 years, and you think people in prison live as long as people outside of prison.


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Re: Home owner kills burglars who broke in - gets convicted of murder [Re: Stonehenge]
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>If you've got an actuarial table for life expectancy of a 65 year old in prison, present it.

Just to add to your discomfort, here you go. They calculate he will live to be over 80 in prison. How does that crow taste, child?

http://www.insideprison.com/life-expectancy-calculator.asp?mode=calculate


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