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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960191 - 05/08/14 06:09 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no desire to change the meaning of the word.  I would like to point out that your use of the word is meaningless.  If you run a surplus in 9% of your periods and a deficit in 91% of them you are not exactly chipping away at the debt, are you?




You can call it whatever you want.

The fact remains we had a $112B surplus in April.



What the hell is wrong with you ?
How do you call one line of black ink in a book full of red a surplus ?


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: solomilitia]
    #19960210 - 05/08/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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solomilitia said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
I have no desire to change the meaning of the word.  I would like to point out that your use of the word is meaningless.  If you run a surplus in 9% of your periods and a deficit in 91% of them you are not exactly chipping away at the debt, are you?




You can call it whatever you want.

The fact remains we had a $112B surplus in April.



What the hell is wrong with you ?
How do you call one line of black ink in a book full of red a surplus ?




I call it that because that's what the word means.

April surplus.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960223 - 05/08/14 06:17 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

And the guy who couldn't control his spending tells everyone he had a $112 surplus on friday. It makes as much sense.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960233 - 05/08/14 06:19 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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And the guy who couldn't control his spending tells everyone he had a $112 surplus on friday. It makes as much sense.




He wouldn't be lying.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960242 - 05/08/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Not lying.  Just stupid.  Do you think it is a mark of distinction to be a 9% accurate idiot?


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19960252 - 05/08/14 06:22 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

It's 100% accurate, maybe 9% fiscally responsible.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960261 - 05/08/14 06:23 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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It's 100% accurate, maybe 9% fiscally responsible.



I will give you that
Now back to the OP
Obama is at fault for the mess of this nation


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: solomilitia]
    #19960297 - 05/08/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for conceding to reality.

It's really big of you.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960342 - 05/08/14 06:44 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

The last two democrat presidents lowered the budget deficit. A republican hasn't lowered it since the 40's.

You guys hate democrats, got it, but your fucking party sucks to high fucking heaven.

You go around slamming democrats like your party has actually done something, and ya ain't done shit.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960347 - 05/08/14 06:46 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I am not a republican and don't think they are much better than the dems. However, the gop is not pushing the aca, is not spending record amounts of money like obuma. Are you counting him as one of the last two? His record is abysmal so what you say is simply not true.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960354 - 05/08/14 06:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks for conceding to reality.

It's really big of you.



It was the only way i could see you not split any more hairs


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960359 - 05/08/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

So what's going to change?

Be specific as I'm sure you have tons of ideas.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960360 - 05/08/14 06:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Obama has cut fucking spending faster than anyone has in 60 fucking years Stonehenge!


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: solomilitia]
    #19960363 - 05/08/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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solomilitia said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Thanks for conceding to reality.

It's really big of you.



It was the only way i could see you not split any more hairs




Specificity serves a purpose.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960381 - 05/08/14 06:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Stonehenge, look up a chart that has spending by president. The administration has cut spending dramatically.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #19960402 - 05/08/14 06:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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The last two democrat presidents lowered the budget deficit. A republican hasn't lowered it since the 40's.

You guys hate democrats, got it, but your fucking party sucks to high fucking heaven.

You go around slamming democrats like your party has actually done something, and ya ain't done shit.



I do hate dems and i hate repubs i understand a few good people occupy both side
Let me make this clear george bush was a first class peice of shit and should swing by his neck for war crimes both of them


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960407 - 05/08/14 07:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Not true at all, except in the minds of you true believers

Obama Tripled the Deficit, Now Brags He Cut It in Half

Familiar is the parable of the boy who murders his parents, then seeks leniency because he is suddenly an orphan.

When it comes to budget deficits, Barack Obama is more like the boy who knocks off his parents, then brags that he drove them to the morgue.

While his public approval rating plummeted this week to a new low of 37%, here was Obama in a press conference rationalizing his refusal to even negotiate over the nation’s debt limit:  “Don’t tell us that the government is going bankrupt, when the deficit has been cut in half!”

The only problem is that Obama tripled the deficit before he cut it in half.  As a result, he has only accelerated the government toward bankruptcy

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/43/1991-obama-tripled-the-deficit-now-brags-he-cut-it-in-half


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960412 - 05/08/14 07:02 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Do you understand the difference between deficit and debt?


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960423 - 05/08/14 07:06 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

X, are you trying to say he reduced the debt? Or are you trying to change the subject?


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960425 - 05/08/14 07:06 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Here are the average spending increases per year in raw dollars (not adjusted for inflation) in descending order by president:
President
Fiscal year baseline
Last fiscal year
Average percentage increase per year
Carter 1977 1981 16.4
Nixon 1969 1975 13.5
Johnson 1964 1969 11.0
George W. Bush 2001 2009 10.2
Reagan 1981 1989 8.6
Kennedy 1961 1964 7.1
George H.W. Bush 1989 1993 5.8
Clinton 1993 2001 4.0
Eisenhower 1953 1961 3.6
Obama 2009 2013 1.4






Someone who isn't on their cell phone can format that if they'd like, but basically it measures spending increase rates across Presidential administrations.


Source: Politifact


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