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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960434 - 05/08/14 07:07 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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X, are you trying to say he reduced the debt? Or are you trying to change the subject?




He's reduced spending faster than a lot of administrations, especially the previous one. The article linked up above explains it pretty well.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960438 - 05/08/14 07:08 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm curious as to how far off the reservation you are? He cut the deficit in half not the debt, and Fed spending is down to its lowest point in 50 years.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X] * 2
    #19960446 - 05/08/14 07:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm curious as to how far off the reservation you are? He cut the deficit in half not the debt, and Fed spending is down to its lowest point in 50 years.




To him, debt and deficit meaning different things is liberal semantics.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #19960449 - 05/08/14 07:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Politifact is an extreme left wing organization that is about as trustworthy as obuma himself. Nice try but no cigar. I gave real numbers

If you want to talk about debt, here you go and its from cbs, a left wing media organisation. Its only gotten worse since this was written.


(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.


The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960518 - 05/08/14 07:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

You need to pick up an economics book and just read the glossary a few times.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960556 - 05/08/14 07:28 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

We are all aware of the debt, but the Obama administration has cut spending faster than anyone has in 50 years.
We all know that more has to be done, but I would hope you look at the whole picture..


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960589 - 05/08/14 07:34 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Well lets see, the deficit has gone up and the debt has gone up too. So what do the obuma apologists say next? More baloney. I gave cbs news as a source, when you are proven wrong the correct thing to do is admit it, say you're sorry and move on.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960595 - 05/08/14 07:35 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

The deficit has not gone up, and neither has the rate of increased spending.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960597 - 05/08/14 07:36 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

The deficit has gone down, a lot


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960618 - 05/08/14 07:39 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

So those sources lied? CBS news lied too? Please show where they went wrong instead of just moaning over and over "it ain't so" Its time to face facts.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960625 - 05/08/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960631 - 05/08/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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We are all aware of the debt, but the Obama administration has cut spending faster than anyone has in 50 years.
We all know that more has to be done, but I would hope you look at the whole picture..



So when the jig is up and ostearty hits the US like Spain are you going to praise obama for cutting spending even more


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960656 - 05/08/14 07:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Your link is not fucking CBS! It lists, conveniently the 2008 budget deficit and we all know that the 2009 was the prior administrations last budget deficit which was twice that amount.

Who do you think your fucking fooling? Not fucking me


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: solomilitia]
    #19960666 - 05/08/14 07:49 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Solo I'm simply stating the facts.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960676 - 05/08/14 07:51 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

It is cbs, try to put down the crack pipe now and then. It talks about the first 3 1/2 years of obummer's presidency how he increased the debt more than bush, who was a moron, did in 8 full years.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960704 - 05/08/14 07:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I was looking at a link you put down earlier in the thread.

Ok debts gone up. Got it.

His admin still cut spending faster than anyone has in 50 years. So what does that tell you?


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960723 - 05/08/14 08:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

They don't cut spending.  They reduce proposed increases in spending.  So they still spend more, but just a bit less than they previously proposed.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Shins]
    #19960778 - 05/08/14 08:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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They don't cut spending.  They reduce proposed increases in spending.  So they still spend more, but just a bit less than they previously proposed.




Exactly. Its the same old shell game as ever. Obumer is the biggest spender to date.


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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19960800 - 05/08/14 08:17 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Obama is the biggest spender to date and cut spending faster than anyone else has in 50 years.
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Re: Is Obama to blame ? [Re: Citizen X]
    #19960833 - 05/08/14 08:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

He cut proposed spending, not actual spending.


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