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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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when examined it was found that his brain tumor took the form a mushroom, I bet its because he abused psilocybin so much.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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Lol...

Are you being serious?


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Accidental Heroic Dose N,N DMT Trip Report



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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: halo]
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Halo, your are on target.. Tim Leary actually said "I consider Terence to be one of the 4 or 5 most important people in he world today"
So there the torch was passed.. But on a less famous level you could consider Daniel Pinchbeck, Bruce Damer or even as an in the shadows carnival barker .. Lorenzo Hagerty as the new voice of the community. Then again, do we need one?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Elalien]
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Lol. Lorenzo Hagerty as the new voice of the community. That guy's silly.

I think the voices in the community are our friends now. And the people who are doing scientific/therapeutic or any other work, with psychedelics.

Terence will probably always be unsurpassed in his role. But we're more of a community now. Less seperated and more willing to talk to each other. I think that's all that matters now.



DMTraveler. The mushroom-tumor thing Lorenzo Hagerty and bruce Damer both talked about. I think even his brother confirmed. Could have obviously been a coincidence though.

Bruce Damer said that he stopped taking mushrooms after a bad trip around the late 80's. And that was what caused the tumor. That was way before he was having health problems though, but tumors do form and take time to grow.

That's a bit of a stretch though. Kind of like his life ended in a really weird coincidence that matched how weird he and his life was.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mctaveesh]
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I want to use this thread as a platform to bring forth the idea that Terence did not have a bad trip on mushrooms like so many claim including his brother.


It was actually a medium sized dose of mushrooms PLUS a medium dosage of ayahuasca. He said in a lecture in 1992, i believe, that "a few years ago i thought a mixed medium dose of mushrooms and ayahuasca would equal out to 1 heavy dose. I was wrong and it ended up being 12x a heroic dose feeling." He said something like that.

I believe he was referring to that now-famous "bad trip" in 1988. It was actually a mix of mushrooms and ayahuasca.


This is why he slowed down with both of those substances.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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yogashaman21 said:
when examined it was found that his brain tumor took the form a mushroom, I bet its because he abused psilocybin so much.


Erm.. I don't think that's how that works.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: krypto2000]
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The really creepy thing about glioblastomas is that often times we see multiple cases pop up within proximity to eachother. I read a case where a husband and wife both died of it within a few months of eachother which suggests it's caused by environmental factors.

I think lead pipes can cause scenarios like this as lead poisoning is linked to the disease. Imagine folks living in a house with bad corroded lead pipes and they never flush the pipes before drinking from them.

However most people are resistant to getting brain tumors because of various factors including blood brain barrier integrity and certain anti-bodies. Also if you've ever had chicken pox as a child, your much less likely to get brain tumors because chicken pox  primes the brain to deal with inflammation and cell errors.

Lead interferes with anti-oxidation in the brain and can result in damage leading to tumors. Make sure you're not getting lead poisoning people, it's everywhere.


Also, Terrence spent 1000's of hours in front of a cathode tube computer screen at an old age, used bulky old cell phones, drank water from a questionable source, probably smoked while he ate, acquired strange infectious diseases, probably damaged his blood brain barrier from all the acute drug doses, had incredible migraines for decades which were probably caused by some unknown toxin, chronic pain in your head like that is NOT harmless


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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DMTraveler said:
Lol...

Are you being serious?


yes

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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Well I remember he said he always suffered from migraines even as a child. And that was one of the reasons he smoked so much pot.

I still think his chronic pot-use could have been a factor. I know the doctors told him no, but I still think it probably is true, reading papers on it, that chronic use is bad for you and can desensitize the cannabinoid-receptors; that could lead to the cannabinoid receptors losing their functioning towards preventing cancer.

Even Terence was questioning his cannabis use.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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yogashaman21 said:
DMTraveler said:
Lol...

Are you being serious?


yes


You can't "abuse" mushrooms. They're too beneficial. Sure you shouldn't drive on heavy doses but no harm comes to the body or brain from small or large doses and if you believe that then...wow :shrug:


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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DMTraveler said:
yogashaman21 said:
DMTraveler said:
Lol...

Are you being serious?


yes


You can't "abuse" mushrooms. They're too beneficial. Sure you shouldn't drive on heavy doses but no harm comes to the body or brain from small or large doses and if you believe that then...wow :shrug:


I didn't say that he abused mushrooms. I said that he abused PSILOCYBIN. Don't put words in my mouth. I read his interview where he said that he would take large amounts of extracted psilocybin

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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He's never talked about "extracted psilocybin"

He ALWAYS talks about taking at least 5 grams, chew them up, sit in a dark room and enjoy. Where do you get your info?

Also, psilocybin in not carcinogenic and is not cancer causing


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The path to other worlds Is within ourselves. DMT is the door and you are the key

Accidental Heroic Dose N,N DMT Trip Report



Edited by DMTraveler (05/24/16 12:37 PM)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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Yeah, I don't see what the difference would be from Mushrooms vs Extracted Psilocybin

And I've never read that he took that either... Even if he did, why would it matter?


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"humans are like cubes, lots of strains but cubes a cube. Not much difference really."

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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DMTraveler said:
He's never talked about "extracted psilocybin"

He ALWAYS talks about taking at least 5 grams, chew them up, sit in a dark room and enjoy. Where do you get your info?

Also, psilocybin in not carcinogenic and is not cancer causing


You obviously didn't read enough of him then. I read an interview of him talking about how he kept pure extracted psilocybin and would take high doses of it.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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yogashaman21 said:
DMTraveler said:
He's never talked about "extracted psilocybin"

He ALWAYS talks about taking at least 5 grams, chew them up, sit in a dark room and enjoy. Where do you get your info?

Also, psilocybin in not carcinogenic and is not cancer causing


You obviously didn't read enough of him then. I read an interview of him talking about how he kept pure extracted psilocybin and would take high doses of it.


Can you show me this article?


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: DMTraveler]
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hi,

it was a long time ago but i'll look for it

and yes you're right i know he talked about eating large doses of mushrooms a lot. But he also talked about the pure psilocybin that he used to take large amounts of.

i'll look for this article again

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: yogashaman21]
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But still. Why would it matter?

Do you have any evidence that pure psilocybin could have negative effects?


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"humans are like cubes, lots of strains but cubes a cube. Not much difference really."

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mctaveesh]
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It wouldnt matter if he got his hands on 100% pure synthetic psilocybin from a lab, extracted psilocybin, mushroom tea or straight up mush its the same substance and it is not a known carcinogen.

Everyone in this thread talking about either phyches or the government killing him needs to understand that normal people who dont use psyches and dont try to start revolutions die of cancer too. It seems really ridiculus that with all of the KNOWN carcinogens we are exposed to every day, that a well researched substance that is found to have no carcinogenic properties would be the cause of his cancer. Like if i put you in a room with pesticides, industrial solvents, and a bunch of probable or known carcinogens and filled it with DMT vapor, if you came out of there after a couple years with a brain tumour would you blame the DMT?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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To whom even thinks he is dead, despite the facts presented, (threw media!) And which, "if" you "listened"... is propaganda to "control control....CONTROL!"        All you seek Is WithIn! All you require IS within. Seek not outside yourself for the truth of this matter. I will not reply to any debates but only to a logical answer from your feeling that have stemmed from your Soul, After you have answerd this ludacriss question OF... "what caused his death"


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: SoulOfTheAncient1s] * 2
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McKenna had stopped ingesting Mushrooms 10 years before he got cancer. And he pretty much stopped everything else as well.

"The rap that he built his career on rhapsodically romanticized the “heroic dose”, and he often encouraged his fans to press past the borders of their comfort zones and to dive just as deep as they dared.

And now Dennis (McKenna) is saying that Terence himself basically stopped taking mushrooms sometime in the late 1980s, more than ten years before terminal illness put an untimely end to his enthusiastic evangelism. It seems that he had an anomalous mushroom experience in Hawaii that made him extremely reluctant to continue with his practice. According to Dennis, he thereafter abjured the mushroom almost entirely, and partook of ayahuasca and DMT only very rarely, and always at relatively low dosage levels.

These fun facts hit the Internet after Lorenzo Hagerty, who hosts the well-known Psychedelic Salon podcast, played a few clips from a two-day workshop entitled “Terence McKenna: Beyond 2012” that he and scientist/designer Bruce Damer had facilitated at Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California in June 2012. In one of those clips Damer reads some sneak preview excerpts from Dennis McKenna’s much anticipated book, The Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss, in which Dennis spills the beans about Terence’s decade-long abstinence and talks a bit about the self-doubt and existential angst that apparently haunted at least the last few years of his late brother’s unusual career."
https://www.erowid.org/columns/teafaerie/2012/10/30/the-terence-mckenna-thing/


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