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**Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!**
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I have asked Dennis McKenna long time researcher in tryptamines and mushrooms, brother of Terence McKenna, if he would be interested in taking part in a live chat 'in the near future' with Shroomery members. He has agreed

Please leave some feedback.

Good luck



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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that would be extremly great!!

Only i think it should be a password protected chat.....so that no one terrorise the chat at that moment and leave mister McKenna with a bad impression of the shroomery...

But what a good idea!!


thnks dude!!

Paddo

Edited by paddo (08/16/02 03:47 AM)

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Wow, and excellent idea!

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Awesome.


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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It is cool, Dennis has already chatted at the Spriritplants site. He is a good friend of mine. HEre is a pictuee of us at Chapman University with other noted speakers I lectured with.




That is Dennis McKenna on the left, then Leonard Enos, author of A Key to the North American Psilocybin Mushroom, the first ID book published. Then Dr. Jochen Gartz of the University of Leipzig, me and finally on the far right, Ethnobotanist Jonathan Ott.

This is fromthe Gathering of the Minds Conference at Chapman University, 1994.

mj

Mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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WOW, great picture! That must of been a great event.

Hey, is that Dr. Rick Doblin in the background? Between you and Dr. Gartz....looks like him.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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That would be a great time and excellent opportunity for the shroomery. I would be very interested in attending the chat.

Keep me informed...



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: ]
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Yep, that is Rick.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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I think it's a great idea. Good work!



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: paddo]
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It wouldn't necessarily have to be password protected, but at least a moderated chat... Obviously it would be a high traffic period for the chat, so people would have to resist using excessive meaningless comments... You could basically voice anyone who isn't normally a troublemaker, and have very strict rules... The second someone starts to get out of line, you could just de-voice them, and not allow them to speak for the rest of the session...

But even those who are prone to outbursts should be allowed to ask any questions they might have, so I propose that there be some place to submit questions before the actual chat session as well, so that if someone has something intriguing to ask, it can still be relayed...


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: absolute zero]
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> It wouldn't necessarily have to be password protected, but at least a moderated chat... Obviously it would be a high traffic period for the chat, so people would have to resist using excessive meaningless comments... You could basically voice anyone who isn't normally a troublemaker, and have very strict rules... The second someone starts to get out of line, you could just de-voice them, and not allow them to speak for the rest of the session...

I think we should have it password protected. I like your intentions Zero__Glass, but I would loath to see some idiot offend Dr. McKenna.

> But even those who are prone to outbursts should be allowed to ask any questions they might have, so I propose that there be some place to submit questions before the actual chat session as well, so that if someone has something intriguing to ask, it can still be relayed...

Your proposal to submit questions prior to chatting with Dr. McKenna is a fine idea! I support this, and would like to see it implemented. I do have a few questions that I would love to ask him. Anyone have ideas on how to do this? Perhaps we can organize a new forum just for these questions?

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Brukan]
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In reply to:
Your proposal to submit questions prior to chatting with Dr. McKenna is a fine idea! I support this, and would like to see it implemented. I do have a few questions that I would love to ask him. Anyone have ideas on how to do this? Perhaps we can organize a new forum just for these questions?




I will start a new thread for the questions

Good luck



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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You rock DreaMaTrix!

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Brukan]
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Ooops, I meant to add:
After we get a date from him (he's a busy guy with a hectic schedule)
After we get feedback

Good luck





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"We are the one's we have been waiting for" - Hopi saying

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Sounds like a great idea!


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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The forum participants of the New York Times Drug Policy Forum, a board not too much unlike this one believe it or not but far more politically active, found that such chats worked best when rules were kept to a minimum and all were encouraged to participate. The chats are archived at the nyt site. Feel free to have a look. These are the guests that this unofficial crew of motley reformers on that board presented...

? 'Journalists on Prohibition' Panel, Al Giordano, publisher of Narconews.com, Cynthia Cotts of the Village Voice and columnist/humorist Barry Crimmins (March 26, 2002)
? Stephen Hale, Candidate for District Attorney, Galveston, Tx. (March 5, 2002)
? Richard Cowan, Former Director of NORML, Reporter/Commentator for Pot TV in Canada (Feb. 26, 2002)
? 'Evils of Prohibition' Panel Discussion, Featuring Richard Lake, Keith Stroup, Dale Gieringer and Cliff Schaffer (Feb. 21, 2002)
? Chris Davies, Member of the European Parliament (Feb. 20, 2002)
? Nora Callahan,Prison Activist (Feb. 12, 2002)
? Catherine Austin Fitts, Author (Feb. 5, 2002)
? Dana Beal, Founder, Million Marijuana March (Jan. 31, 2002)
? Will Foster, Former Prisoner and Marijuana Activist (Jan. 15, 2002)
? Indictment of Prohibition Panel, Featuring Economist Milton Friedman, Judge James P. Gray, Barrister Eugene Oscapella and Author Catherine Austin Fitts (Jan. 7, 2002)
? Nol van Schaik, Owner, The Dutch Experience (Jan. 3, 2002)
? Chris Conrad, Co-Author, "Shattered Lives" (Dec. 19, 2001)
? Catherine Austin Fitts, Author, "Narco Dollars for Dummies" (Dec. 5, 2001)
? Gary Johnson, Governor, New Mexico (Dec. 5, 2001)
? Chris Conrad, Co-Author, "Shattered Lives" (Nov. 28, 2001)
? Ethan Nadelmann, Founder, Lindesmith-Drug Policy Foundation (Nov. 19, 2001)
? Lynn Paltrow, Director, National Advocates for Pregnant Women (Nov. 13, 2001)
? Scott Imler Director, Los Angeles Cannabis Resource CoOperative (Nov. 7, 2001)
? Drug Policy Forum: Special Panel
? Eric Sterling
? John Turmel
? Peter Christ
? Dr. Thomas J. O'Connell
? The Hempcar Crew
? Joseph D. McNamara
? Mike Gray
? Mark Greer, Executive Director of DrugSense and the Media Awareness Project (MAP) inc.
? Jeff Jones, Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative
? Ann McCormick, Compassionate Moms
? Sanho Tree
? G. Alan Robison, Executive Director of the Drug Policy Forum of Texas
? Renee Boje
? Steve and Michele Kubby
? Al Giordano, publisher of narconews.com
? Keith Stroup, Founder, NORML
? Kay Lee and Jodi James, journeyforjustice.org
? Kevin Zeese, President, Common Sense For Drug Policy
? Judge James Gray , author, "Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed and What We Can Do About It"

Leaf

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Does anyone know of any past interviews of his that can be found online?

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mirror_saw]
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http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/mckenna_dennis/mckenna_dennis_interview1.shtml

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q="dennis+mckenna"+



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Thanks.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Hi DreaMTrix,

when they held the chat at Spiritplant the questions qere screen in a private chatbox where each person would be send a private chat message that they were next or what question did they want to ask. Then the moderator twlls each person who he will follow. You can give a person two people before him notic3 and then his question will come after the two people before him.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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This is an excellent opportunity and I would love to take part! This man is a real hero to me!

I must say that I would also love to do this with our very own MJ another of my hero's


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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mj

The implementation of that kind of moderation will just stifle conversation and alienate people. I don't think McKenna is some kind of pussy who can't wade through whatever crap may arise himself. If he doesn't want to interact and take his chances with the crowd, and possibly be asked some challenging questions that maybe a particular moderator doesn't see fit to allow, then you might as well just have him post a statement and be done with it.

There is nothing to fear from and open and honest exchange of ideas free from a moderator's prejudice. Especially in this type of media. You can always scroll the trolls for crying out loud. It beats being spoon fed.

Now open your hangar, here comes the airplane.

Leaf

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: leafblowerz]
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That is how it was done at Spiritplants and it worked fine. Go into their archives and read the whole hour and see who was stifled.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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has he given you any proposed dates....? It would be nice to know aprox....so us that have busy work schedules can get time off if need be....sounds like a blast


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Spiritplant / private chatbox

I think that is a good idea; it keeps things organized. Is this possible with shroomery? Do we need to be at a different site to chat with Dr. McKenna?

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: wrestler_az]
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> It would be nice to know aprox....so us that have busy work schedules can get time off if need be...

Yeah, I can relate. If this is possible, please inform us prior. Thanks again for organizing all this

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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I would love to come,...
And for those who were unable to attend, I hope a Log will be posted, so everyone can benefit.

Im all for the Screening Questions Idea, Its pointless to have 5 ppl ask the same quesition.
-OoD

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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I t sounds quite interesting, I would welcome the chance to participate.

I see there are ideas being bantered about as to who is invited, or a password protection or moderation. I have been on the NY chat and drug sense chat when they had guests. I hate to be a dissenter but those boards don't have to have much moderation or intervention; they don't have immature persons chatting (ps. NY does require that you register).

I suggest just the simple act of allowing registered users, here at the shroomery, to be able to get the password for that night and insist that they use their shroomery user name; it's not that much to ask. As to a hard format of questions, gosh, we could maybe take turns by using that little list of names on the right of the screen or left, depending on what program you use. All we need is one moderator with a kill button, I don't think Mr. McKenna would be opposed to a more informal setting for questions, but just in case there is a mod.
Now, that should allow informal questions, ensure some semblance of respectful behaviour and maybe we can talk to more guest's that we may not get a chance to ever again.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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any new news on this?


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Ripple]
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Hi, here's the chat with D. Mckenna at SpiritPlants

i had the great honor to ask him two questions, and other great honor to be on line with John Allen.

http://www.spiritplants.com/guests/mckenna.html


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Hermes_br]
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Thanks Hermes br,

I was actually cut off on that 2nd talk with Dennis. My computer went down beforwe I had been able to finish the question. I was going to bring up the use of mushrooms in the Sahara 9000 years ago.

Anyway it was a good chat.

Again, thanks for pasting the URL here so our fellow shrooms can decide what kind of qquestions they want to ask Dennis about.

I disagree on the ayahuasca treatment because I think that right now Ibogaine has been proven very successful in the treatment of opiate addiction and cocaine addiction. There is a group of doctors in aAmsterdam who charge 700 dollars U>S> for a Treatment session with ibogaine which the experience last for three days. They have actually documented many cases of cured clients in their research.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Hermes_br]
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Thanx for the link.
Did they use IRC over at spiritplants?


Good luck




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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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DreaMatrix , yes it was IRC.

if i can recall, one had to log in the SpiritPlants first ,then there was a link to the chat.
there was some instructions at the chat screen ,i let the Mod. know in private that i had a Q. and he would tell me how many guys where ahead of me.
when my turn was coming closer (i.e. say 2 askers) the Mod. reminded me , so at this time i had my question already typed, but it was not pre-moderated.
I'm looking forward for this meeting.

MJ, yeah ibogaine seems to be greater for withdraw syndrome.

best wishes.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Hi DreaMaTrix,

Not sure of this IRC. I fdo not have that on my computer and I was able to get my questions in until my computer turned off on me.

mj.

IT was a good method for running the chat though however it worked.

Hermes_br is probably right about what he says though. As I tell everyone over and over I am computer illiterate.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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Well , I'm illiterate too, not sure about IRC & passwords.

best wishes.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Preposted questions are a must... or use of a moderator as a middleman ie: you can ask a question to the moderator, and the moderator posts the question for you so nobody sais anything bad or offensive.

It'd be a really neat experience to read an interview with this man with people from the shroomery asking the questions. It'd be better to participate and be able to ask a question myself. It'd be the best if sometime in the future he returned for a second interview... and we wouldnt want to ruin our chances of that with someone posting an inappropriate post.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: TeKHeAD009]
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Speaking of inappropriate questions.

I was attending the 2nd International Conference on Hallucinogenic Mushrooms back in 1977 when I saw two dudes with ereal long hair approac Dr. Albert Hofmann and say, "Hey, Your the LSD dude. Can we cop a few hits from you man?"

Hofmann was embarresed and said to a colleague. "Its people like those two kids who screw it up for the rest of the world."

That is what I call an inappropriate comment.

mj

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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Thanks Mr. Freedom, you know what I'm talking about. Drugsense.org is a leader in the war. The war for our very salvation.

Some of you people are simply fucked up. It has to be open posting or it isn't real. You have nothing to fear. Let it happen. You will be glad you did. Read the fucking forum events with our "drug war" celebrities at the NYT DP forum if you don't believe me. Yeah, you might need a moderator to remove the asshole who just wants to post, "hey your momma likes me to slap her nose on my balls" type posts. But other than that, let it happen, baby.

IT CAN HAPPEN HERE, TOO! The truth can be told.

It is time to wage a war against the war!!! END THE GENOCIDE NOW! The drug war is an attack on our people. We cannot let it continue.

Leaf

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: leafblowerz]
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Leaf, while I agree an open forum would be nice, I don't think you understand the nature of the vast majority of users of the chat on this board.
They are malcontent children that only wish to type line after line of drivel and to intterupt ANY intelligent conversation being engaged in; if only for their own amusments.
The admin, continualy, tolerates underage children, who post thier ages on this very board, to continue in opposition to the very rules designed to protect the shroomery from prosecution.

I doubt that anyone could seriously get Dennis to engage in that type of atmosphere. I for one would not put him through it.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Hermes_br]
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Thanks for posting that chat

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: mjshroomer]
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> "Hey, Your the LSD dude. Can we cop a few hits from you man?"

OH MY GOD! What jackasses!!

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: leafblowerz]
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Re: leafblowerz / open posting

I'm sorry leafblowerz, but I strongly disagree with what you said. If you give some people the opportunity, they may fuck up the whole chat.

Anyway, have you ever been to an academic meeting or colloquium before? These events are always most effective when organized and moderated. And it pays to be prepared. I mean c?mon, there are going to be some very important topics covered during the chat.....and Dr. McKenna should be appreciated for setting the time aside.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Brukan]
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Hi, you're welcome.
here's the link to their first chat with Rick Strassman
http://www.spiritplants.com/guests/strassman.html

does someone knows about their other guests ?
Was there other guests ?

best wishes.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Brukan]
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Brukan

Yeah but the big difference here is that you can scroll right on past their post whereas in the environment in which you refer one may have great difficulty in ignoring the "heckler or other idiot".

Maybe I have more faith in the average participant at this site than some of you but I truly believe that an opportunity for all to interact with such individuals as McKenna is a positive thing.

I do know that these types of forums are great for enabling honest and open exchanges of ideas and that they are severely under used for that purpose.

I would hope that any guests would be understanding of the pitfalls of such a media but agree that the rewards are far greater.

Either way, the fact that the shroomery is interested in engaging in such events is a very encouraging.

Leaf

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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PLEASE! Make a gigantic sign!!! Or just tell us when it will be...


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: leafblowerz]
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> Yeah but the big difference here is that you can scroll right on past their post whereas in the environment in which you refer one may have great difficulty in ignoring the "heckler or other idiot".

Okay, you have a good point here.

> Maybe I have more faith in the average participant at this site than some of you..

Well I haven't been on the Shroomery for too long (about 1 month) so I don't know what to expect from others.

>but I truly believe that an opportunity for all to interact with such individuals as McKenna is a positive thing.

Very positive! Indeed a rare opportunity.

>I do know that these types of forums are great for enabling honest and open exchanges of ideas and that they are severely under used for that purpose.

That's a shame. One can really get some across some good questions if given the opportunity like this.

>I would hope that any guests would be understanding of the pitfalls of such a media but agree that the rewards are far greater.

I'm still not so sure about the rewards outweighing the pitfalls; seems like to me the pitfalls are heavier and it may be worth the sacrifice to have it set up with logins and moderation.

> Either way, the fact that the shroomery is interested in engaging in such events is a very encouraging.

Yes, absofuckinglutely yes!! I hope we can do more of this in the future. I'm working on my wish list for people I would like to see on Shroomery.

I appreciate your feedback Leaf and see our positive criticism as a real asset to this event

to be continued...



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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i've studied alot of terrence mckenna's work and i'd be interested to be a listener,possibly pose a question or two--i'm not sure about his brother dennis's area odf expertise

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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That sounds great! I'll be there.


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: pattern]
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Wicked But i prob wont be able to chat because Of the time diffrence :P Im in za

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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I have already spoken with him. He is a kind and understanding person.  :smile: 


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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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Thanks for all the comments :smile:

Good luck



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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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VVVDate announced, check link in sigVVV


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Edited by DreaMaTrix (09/03/02 07:05 AM)

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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I have a question for Dennis McKenna:

What kind of social infrastructure for tripping do you envision in a future where psychedelic drugs are legal?

Unfortunately I will probably not be able to attend the chat and ask the question in person, but I am very interested in what Dennis has to say about this.

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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where can i find instructions on how to set up the interface for this event... ? thanks in advance...




Anni

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Re: **Dennis McKenna @ The Shroomery!!** [Re: Anonymous]
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You should have a IRC program ( www.mirc.com or similar) or connect through the Java client to the shroomery chat server,
http://www.shroomery.org/chatandmessageboards.html , under Chat Room ,
the chat will be on the channel #mckennachat .

The date and time should be anounced in this thread:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum1&Number=866560


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