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OfflineCaptBeefheart
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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: felix] * 1
    #1267120 - 02/01/03 12:41 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the rip reports I've read on this site are written by a bunch of kids. I'm not against fucking around, I used to do it all the time, its just that I've grown out of that and want to use shrooms for their intended purpose (i.e truthseeking visions)

There comes a point in your life when you are tired of goofing around with trip toys, listening to techno and giggling at the 'moving' posters on the walls.
I was going to take the dose last night but I didn't feel ready or in the right mood.
From what I've studied, darkness and being alone is the only way to learn something.


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1267220 - 02/01/03 03:47 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i did it. 50g fresh in total darkness with no sounds at all. It helps you understand very well how psilocybin works in your head! very good experience! too much paranoia though

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Invisiblechinacat72
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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1267247 - 02/01/03 04:05 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

My trips are always 5 grams. I only dose 4 times a year so i have to make them count. I do it Mckenna style in the dark on my back exept i listen to some music for part of the trip. :wink: 


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OfflineRoger_irrelevant
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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: chinacat72]
    #1267328 - 02/01/03 05:09 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Listen to music if you really get board, don't torture yourself!

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about the visions and dark rooms...well, i would think visions would come with out. plus, sitting in a dark rooms with nothing to do but think would suck. you would probably think you were going insane.
 


 

You don't think you watch. It's all about the experience. I've had solo/silence trips where I've been on the verge of what seemed like destruction for my self and the only way I could stop the seemingly impending annihilation was to throw myself a life line (music) which would act like an anchor or maybe a beacon so I would know that there was a way back...Thinking about it these are the most frustrating trips for me as I'd rather not have the choice, if it's gonna happen then it should happen!

No choice=higher dose  :tongue: 


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1267651 - 02/01/03 08:21 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"From what I've studied, darkness and being alone is the only way to learn something. "

I definately have to try it McKenna style.

But I mostly trip outdoors in the mountains and have had some INCREDIBLE learning experiences in nature.  I think its terrible for a trip to be wasted indoors in front of the TV or something.  When i trip at my house, i wind up running from room to room looking for something to do.  But i haven't tripped at home in a while.
One time, i tried to eat a sandwhich but i couldn't swallow it.
Another time i did laundry. I got detergent and water on my hand and all i could feel for the next hour was detergent molecules surging through my body and senses.

We gotta get OUT of these stucco, carpet, and popcorn ceiling boxes.  Oh what twisted fate has placed us here! :tongue:

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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: Viveka]
    #1267715 - 02/01/03 08:54 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think if I had the choice to trip by the mountains, I wouldn't even consider doing it in a dark room ! My problem is that its too far to walk to see countryside and a 4 hour drive to see mountains.


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Invisibleyogi
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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: Viveka]
    #1267723 - 02/01/03 08:57 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I completely agree with getting out in nature those have been my best experiences. I particularly hate watching TV while tripping.It is just too surreal and annoying for me. My wife however is new to this and she feels safer at home than out side. She also loves TV (grrrrr!) so I accomodate. Personally I have a strong need for warmth in the form of company and music or fire or all of the above. To sit in silent darkness at home would just make me feel very uncomfortable and the trip would be about dealing with the discomfort. On the other hand the DEEP silence and darkness of being in an actual cave under the ground is very appealing. maybe it is the ordinaryness of being at home and the relative silence and relative darkness (with all the tiny distractions behind it that bother me). Does anyone else feel this way?

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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: yogi]
    #1269777 - 02/01/03 10:46 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

dude, i agree. think i'll build myself a sensory deprivation tank. also, i think people should be measuring doses in mg/kg of body weight. mckenna recommends .5mg/kg of body weight. i think cubes average about 6mg/gm, so for someone like me at around 80kg, that would be about 6.67 grams of dried material.


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: rhizo] * 1
    #1269881 - 02/02/03 12:35 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Well folks, last night I did it! 5 dried grams in isolation. I am a transformed man. Trip report coming soon...... I'm still in shock, so all I can say right now is...'Wow!'


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1269891 - 02/02/03 12:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

What strain were they???


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: wiser]
    #1269915 - 02/02/03 01:42 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

They were Mexican PC. I had a definate Level 5 experience, complete ego loss and contact with several entities.


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: rhizo]
    #1269980 - 02/02/03 03:22 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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  mckenna recommends .5mg/kg of body weight. 



Where did you get this from? Everything i have ever heard Terrance say about dose was 5 dried grams of PC in silent darkness will kill even the most resilient ego. :grin: 


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1270015 - 02/02/03 03:58 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

congrat`s captianbeefheart :grin:
Welcome to the (inner)country club :wink: 


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1270341 - 02/02/03 06:25 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

...And welcome to the party.

Just imagine how many people have NOT experienced what you went though.

heheh after ego-loss experiences, I've got this electric "GOOD FUCKIN MORNING!" feeling for weeks


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: Strumpling]
    #1270458 - 02/02/03 07:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Many thanks, Its nice to be in the inner- country club! There are just not enough words to describe the feeling. My trip report has been posted!


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1270605 - 02/02/03 07:58 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

From what I've studied, darkness and being alone is the only way to learn something.


Well I think that's a load of crap and just a reaction against the masses who like to take 2 grams and have "weird" conversations while listening to "trippy" music and watching the carpet turn into "water."

To me there are lots of different ways to experience mushrooms. Different doses bring out different effects. 5 grams + with your eyes closed or in the dark is probably the most confounding way to trip. On these trips things happen that are way beyond anything I ever thought possible as well as way beyond the boundaries of ridiculousness. Bicycles bring an excellent flavour to trips I've found. Riding around on 4 grams with your best friend is highly reccomended. Still though, I'd say that I've learned way more about what it is to be human while in the woods taking a strong 4 gram dose with syrian rue and talking the whole time instead of lying down with my eyes closed.

mushrooms + syrian rue + best friends + conversations + temperate BC rainforest = best learning experience possible IMO.

Kind of a funny thing to say.. "no, THIS is how you have a life-changing profound enlightening experience you numbskull!! *curbstomps everyone"

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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: Dogomush]
    #1271025 - 02/02/03 11:07 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you. And I never actualy said 'THIS is how you have a enlightening experience' My original point was that in my research I had HEARD that the isolation method was the only way to learn something. Since doing the heroic dose last night my opinion is now based on personal experience. There is no best way to trip and I have realised that the shroom is a much different animal than the vast quantities of Lsd that I took years ago.
I am new to the shroom experience and can't wait to go out and have fun with friends in forests, looking at the sunset and stars.I have whole new experiences to have with this drug, why would I limit myself to the Mckenna way when I actually disagree with the importance of 'only doing it in isolation'?
It is a very adaptable drug and my opinion is that if I can have fun with it on my own, in the dark, then I can have even more fun with it going outside( I did say that in my report). The isolation method may provide a slightly deeper level internaly, but that doesn't make it the best way. Its just something everyone should try once.


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1271285 - 02/02/03 01:32 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I actually enjoy 7-8 dry grams and hopping on the entity that the music produces. Its like riding a surfboard with the Gods across the universe.  :laugh: 


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: CaptBeefheart]
    #1272044 - 02/02/03 06:54 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i seriously doubt you had a level 5, but..whatever you say man.

level 5 is underrated.


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Re: The Mckenna 'Heroic Dose (5g dried') - your experiences [Re: felix]
    #1272454 - 02/02/03 11:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Dr evil voice: " Riiiight!"

I bow down to your expertise in judging trip levels.
To quote yourself, " Whatever you say man."


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