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OfflineGrandpa
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Do you do drugs just to get high?
    #1912379 - 09/13/03 01:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why do you do drugs?

I want to reach enlightenment thru them, but according to a friend:


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psilo: well ive had mystical magical spiritual life changing epiphanious hallucinations on mushrooms
ToneD3F: and you can't remember how your life was changed
psilo: i got some swirlies and jiggles on 2ci
ToneD3F: there's mushroom enlightenment for ya
ToneD3F: those who claim to not be doing drugs to get high are kidding themselves

So, whose right? One of us says the psychonaut ethos is bunk, and everyone who takes any substances takes them for the reason to get high.

EDIT- i was explaining to him why 2ci is no psilocybin.


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I don't intend for this to take on a political tone. I'm just here for the drugs.
--Nancy Reagan, former First Lady


Edited by Grandpa (09/13/03 01:07 PM)


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912396 - 09/13/03 01:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Some people are built to respond to them in a spiritual way, some people are built to respond to them as just another way of getting fucked up.

If you respond in a spiritual way you do so because that's who you are. The fact that someone else doesn't respond in that way doesn't make it any less sacred. Just like everyone who goes into a church doesn't necessarily have to get anything spiritual out of it.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912411 - 09/13/03 01:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think your anwser would be bias here, of course were all going to say your right, because most of us use psychedelics. For me, if it wasn't for psychedelic drugs, and the love of my life g/f, I wouldn't have made it through 6 years of college and be going through 4 more, but for some I guess drugs could ruin there life. Everyones diffrent but I wouldn't pay to much attention to your friend, he seems to be close minded towards drugs, and when you refered to 2c-i he though you were still talking about mushrooms. This is a question you have to anwser yourself, no one here can tell you why you do the things you do, neither can you friend for that matter.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1912415 - 09/13/03 01:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

nice answer alex123. 5 shrooms for that piece of wisdom.


I did them first to escape life. then I realize I couldn't escape it and mushroom taught my how to deal with life in a postive way.

some drugs make me fucked up. some make me sad. I enjoy the ones that give me lessons.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: ]
    #1912426 - 09/13/03 01:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well, tonedef does a lot of 2ci. He likes mushrooms, but uses them just to get high. He actually used to be a member of the shroomery but has recently been exploring the bluelighted realm.

I tried 2ci (several times, each time i was told i didnt take enough), was unimpressed with how it compare to mushrooms, and told him that.

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ToneD3F: some people fool themselves into thinking that whatever enlightenment they experience through drug use cannot be achieved any way else
psilo: no
ToneD3F: ala timothy leary, terrence mckenna, etc...
psilo: so you think terrence mckenna is wrong?
ToneD3F : i do not doubt that they were geniuses, but they were fooling themselves


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I don't intend for this to take on a political tone. I'm just here for the drugs.
--Nancy Reagan, former First Lady


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912457 - 09/13/03 01:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

it goes both ways if you ask me, you do drugs because you do like to get "high". But especially with pyschedelics, youll end up learning from your experience, thus making you a believer in spiritual drug use and denouncing all forms of just getting "high" to be fucked up. So in conclusion the only person you have to awnser to is your self so fuck everyone else. damn i need to go get high :]


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Infrared]
    #1912480 - 09/13/03 01:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

deep24blue - I got the blunts if you got the weed. :smirk:


nice answer too. learning is the key. to be blind is to not see.  open his eyes and he will believe.









Or just give him some DMT and call it a night. :smirk: :smile:


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: ]
    #1912491 - 09/13/03 01:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I want to get hiiiiiiigh sooo hiiiiiiigh.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: ]
    #1912496 - 09/13/03 01:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yea give your non believer friend some n,n dmt, and then see what he has to say about drugs being not spiritual. I got some dank and a bong, you can come take a hit zero.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Infrared]
    #1912506 - 09/13/03 01:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

hahaha, thanks


bongs are better. so smooth.


zutroye - that was the first song I ever got high too. I refused to get high for my first time without that song playing. :smile: :smirk:


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912594 - 09/13/03 02:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This is how I look at it.
In my personal history with drugs, I've only been in a situation a couple times for it to be a spiritual thing. I've always been in groups of people at parties and what not so that it was just something to do. You can make it spiritual if you want. Some people just don't want to or don't get a chance to have the trip go in that direction. I would like to eat some mushrooms by myself and be alone the entire time. And then there are other times that I want to be around people just to have fun. I don't look at mushrooms or lsd or anything in that they are sacred and need to be honored for what they let us see. I respect lsd and mushrooms for that and its great but I look at it like, they can be a tool for fun or a tool for learning and enlightenment.

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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Brain19]
    #1912751 - 09/13/03 03:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Any potential for spirituality that drugs can release is already existing within yourself, which is the point I was trying to convey to psilo9. The drug is a catalyst, but the result can be achieved by much more than just entheogenic chemicals.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912839 - 09/13/03 03:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I do them because i have nothing better to do. They are also a form of entertianment. The only worse reasons I can think of, is because you are trying to get away from your life. In a utopia there would be no drugs I do not think.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: milk]
    #1912894 - 09/13/03 04:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

There are drugs i do for recreation and drugs i do for an experience.  Opiates, amphetamines, alcohol are all drugs i use recreationally.  Acid, shrooms, dxm, 4-ho-dipt, and dpt are drugs i use for a learning experience or inner exploration.  Then theres a third group, one that transcends the boundaries: good old marijuana.  I find herb to be an enhancer of other things (also a nice hangover remedy :wink:).  Typically when i smoke now (formerly a daily smoker) its to enhance whatever else i may be doing, be it some some oxy or boomers.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1912904 - 09/13/03 04:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

No, I do them to get sober...  :confused:


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Brugman]
    #1912993 - 09/13/03 04:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

New experiences and fun times/memories with friends. I think it brings us all closer together in a way.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: toned3f]
    #1913119 - 09/13/03 05:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

toned3f said:
Any potential for spirituality that drugs can release is already existing within yourself, which is the point I was trying to convey to psilo9. The drug is a catalyst, but the result can be achieved by much more than just entheogenic chemicals.




what about endegeonous chemicals of the brain? dmt is a highly pyschedelic chemical and it is produced in our brains. What if eveything that we consider to be spiritual really stems from the fact that our brain produces highly hallucinogenic chemicals on its own. hence making it a circlular motion, we believe because we can feel it in us, but what if it wasnt there.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Brugman]
    #1913334 - 09/13/03 07:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Brugman said:
No, I do them to get sober...  :confused: 




yea... im gonna agree with Brugman, high just means under the influence, I thing the real question is "Do you get more than just a good time from drugs"? 


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: Grandpa]
    #1913437 - 09/13/03 07:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've had some purely recreational experiences on psychedelics, but I've also had some experiences that completely changed my outlook on life and my beliefs about the universe. Anyone who thinks psychedelics are only good for getting fucked up is kidding themselves.


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Re: Do you do drugs just to get high? [Re: ]
    #1913445 - 09/13/03 07:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Lol that's nice I always listen to that song when i get high i find it fucking trippy


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