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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: CeLegacy]
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I don't believe he smoked tobacco.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: CeLegacy]
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Back in the day they used many things commonly that we now know are carcinogenic. Cellphones are a modern example we have no clue what the long term effects of cellphone radiation are.
Its unlikely that ENDOGENOUS DMT caused the cancer, maybe impurites in the DMT but saying that smoking dmt causes brain tumours doesnt sound right to me.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: CeLegacy]
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You can roll joints with pure hash, and even roll tubes of hash. I know he mentions smoking hash alot but ive never heard him say he only smoked hash. Shit i would take some good hash over weed but i still smoke weed. Didnt he grow weed also? im sure i saw a video showing him with his weed plants. So he could choose not to use pesticides.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: CeLegacy]
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CeLegacy said:
I don't believe he smoked tobacco.


He did for a time.  I'm nearly 100% sure he didn't later, but he has mentioned a few times in stories from his younger years, about having a cigarette while doing this or that or whatever.  I'm pretty sure he smoked for a while, he also even discussed the feeling of nicotine addiction as well as being a really intense thing.  So obviously he went through the period of quitting.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Shpongle1]
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Something else that comes to mind is when he is speaking of the best candidates for DMT smoking and says "to break through to the DMT space you need three big tokes, the best people for this are leather lunged hash abusers" he then goes on about how much he has smoked.. Gotta at least be a link?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Elalien]
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I think 1 in 5 people die of some form of cancer, I wouldn't look into this too deeply.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: krypto2000]
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I'd say it was the goverment mocking him "oh so he thinks he has a big head huh" and just slipped some chemical that creates brain tumors into his food drink or even something airborne around him at any given time a opp can get close enough, witch they are everywhere...

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: OJnShrooms]
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I didnt read this whole thread but my theory is that his cancer was the mushroom's revenge on him for abusing it. I dont believe mushrooms cause cancer, but I believe if you abuse them enough they are capable of manifesting something like cancer into your life as revenge. THis is just a theory though, I dont take it too seriously.


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The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: OJnShrooms] * 1
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OJnShrooms said:
I'd say it was the goverment mocking him "oh so he thinks he has a big head huh" and just slipped some chemical that creates brain tumors into his food drink or even something airborne around him at any given time a opp can get close enough, witch they are everywhere...


:whateveryousayfreak:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Adolin]
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I read in an article on the Endocannabinoid System...

    -I believe it was in "Care and Feeding of the Endocannabinoid System"
     
      Which is a very good article. But I'm not %100 sure that was the one


...That chronic cannabis use can cause the Cannabinoid Receptors to become Desensitized.

And that when the Endocannabinoid System is desensitized this disrupts the Endocannabinoid-System's ability to protect against cancer

Chronic use is obviously the way Terence used cannabis.

So maybe his chronic cannabis smoking could have increased his risks of getting cancer.

I don't know if I would place my bets on that one article's explanation of the risks of chronic use of cannabis alone to explain Terence's brain cancer, but it's a possibility it could have increased his chances.


I remember also reading a study where a single cannabis-use can still have positive effects on the Cannabinoid system a week after use.
And Terence saying was the "Real" way to do cannabis.

So that's just the theory I stick to right now...
Cannabis once or twice a week in higher amounts.
And keep your Endocannabinoid-system functioning well otherwise through diet/lifestyle...


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LogicaL Chaos said:
"humans are like cubes, lots of strains but cubes a cube. Not much difference really."

Edited by mctaveesh (05/15/16 08:05 PM)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mctaveesh]
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He died from a glioblastoma, a disease which we know almost nothing about the driving forces.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Envix]
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Envix said:
terence mckenna got brain cancer cuz of all the radiation from that giant ass satellite dish he kept above his house in hawaii


Another thing I remember Lorenzo Hagerty suggesting was that because Terence was a techophile he always spent time right under that dish talking for hours on the earliest versions of cell phones which were always in the news as being radiation emitting death traps.

But yeah, he died of cancer that caused him to no longer live resulting in death which killed him.:sad:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Elalien] * 1
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Gresh said:
OJnShrooms said:
I'd say it was the goverment mocking him "oh so he thinks he has a big head huh" and just slipped some chemical that creates brain tumors into his food drink or even something airborne around him at any given time a opp can get close enough, witch they are everywhere...


:whateveryousayfreak:


:kittylaugh:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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I'd like to think the machine elves just wanted him back. I consider him to be a great teacher to me and when I'm anxious tripping hard I always find it comforting to think of his consciousness being with me and that nothing really bad can happen. R.I.P you king of the void.:heart:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
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He was too smart.

His brain was unable to grow in his small skull so it caused a tumor.

He said on one of his DMT videos that the dmt elves busted down his front door, put the wheels on his after-death vehicle, and left him with the bill.

So wherever he went, he had transportation to get there.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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Noviseer said:
Allright, so terence Mckenna died at a relatively young age of a strange and rare form of brain cancer.  My friend insists its because he smoked way too much DMT.  Terence expressed the possibility that it was due to his decades of daily cannabis use.  What do you guys think? 


Decades of cannabis use. It's like asking why Bob Marley died of cancer. Because he smoked a shit ton of weed.

Sure marijuana has been proven to have positive effects on cancer due to it's cannabanoids, but it can still cause cancer just as easily as tobacco smoke. I doubt the origin of his cancer was due to smoking weed or doing drugs, but it certainly didn't help.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: LRG]
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Natural Cause


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Really though we are not living in a scientific or technological age.  Today human life is dominated by a hateful and greedy form of stasis which stands in the way of a coming technological age.  One where there is hope for the future for example, instead of fear.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple] * 1
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ShadeOfDeepPurple said:
I'd like to think the machine elves just wanted him back. I consider him to be a great teacher to me and when I'm anxious tripping hard I always find it comforting to think of his consciousness being with me and that nothing really bad can happen. R.I.P you king of the void.:heart:


I'm going with this one.. Can you imagine him saying ....
"The Jewell encrusted self dribbling basketballs grew thorns, these things that appeared to take the shape of a ball and mace, they ahhh... came for me.. They caaaame for me and now I'm here. I just spend the days rolling bombers and thinking of some distant plane that has this cow town in a place called western Colorado" .. Or something.....

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Elalien]
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I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

Sometimes I tend to think it's the universes way of telling us to grow up.

Love him or hate him Terrence was and is a powerful force in the psychedelic community. I don't agree with everything he's said, but he's one of those people who whether you agree or not he will make you think.

But I mean, Jerry Garcia died in 95, then McKenna in 99 or 2000. No one has really risen up to carry the torch of McKenna. I mean, hell, Terence started giving lectures right when Timothy Leary was getting on the lecture circuit after his legal troubles.

McKenna kind of took over for Leary in a way, a more underground way.

Maybe it's because with the internet there's no need for a figurehead anymore, we have all of these teachings and can do with them what we will. It's just, I think that's one of the things that's been so interesting about the 21st century.

One thing too that Terence was right about is memes. He predicted we would transition from a text based culture to a primarily image based one, and so far I'd say he's right. Memes are funny


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All drugs should be legal

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: halo]
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I'm pretty positive he did smoke cigarettes. You can see in a lot of his (much) older pictures of him in the jungles and under cabanas with a pack of cigarettes and a lighter handy. Maybe not when he was older, but if he did have prolonged use it could be possible that was it. The majority of drugs he consumed in his life (at least from what I can tell) were all natural. Ayahuasca, DMT, Psilocybin and so on. :shrug: who knows. Such a great mind lost at such a young age. Imagine if he had his days during the 21st century. Much like tesla. Born before the earth was ready for what they had to offer. Terence and Tesla are both still influencing our lives, for the better no less.


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The path to other worlds Is within ourselves. DMT is the door and you are the key

Accidental Heroic Dose N,N DMT Trip Report



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