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Did God Create Evil?
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: YeOlde]
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So many things have been created and have lost where they came from.  Maybe energy will flow back.  Seems exploring darkness to find more light and what exist my idea of a higher thought.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: YeOlde]
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wrong forum


try this one:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/82


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Question assumes that evil exists.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
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I think it is a amnesia.  We forgot that we are all of existence.  Our brains separate ourselves from the unified form.  Some brains let go of this amnesia and remember.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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'evil' isn't some anomaly that has kinda dropped alien-like into nature. it is a term which describes an extreme form of experience that is seen to be opposite to another term we use for what we find pleasurable, the 'good'

Now a myth which posits a spiritual being who crates nature and the universe and is 'all good' will make people then ask the question, ' did God make evil?', because the presumption that 'he' is all-good makes us wonder 'well what about evil? where's it come from?' Get me?

but in reality you cann't not only not have good without evil, you cannot KNOW good without evil,,,,,, because reality is dynamic. there is no such thing as only one side to an experience. Can you be all-wet, or all-dry, or all asleep, or all awake, or all up, or all down etc etc etc. No. We cannot envisage reality without there being contrasts.

Take this what is being typed. IF it was typed all-black, or all-white, how the fk could anyone see what was being typed? :strokebeard: We need the contrast of black and/or white to be able to know the other. Same with 'space' and 'form'. One may ignore space which gives the shape to form, but you certainly cannot ever have one without the other! Would not literally make sense

Well it is the same with 'good' and 'evil'. The freedom and dynamic of reality is that you can experience a potential of experience

So am I saying that the evil in the world is alright? No. I am seeing evil of that and history is coming from mindsets who do not ACCEPT the dynamics of reality. So for example, someone who identifies with 'the all good' will project their idea of 'evil' onto others, and from this ignoreance all evil follows

Edited by zzripz (08/04/16 03:15 PM)

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
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Penelope_Tree said:
Question assumes that evil exists.


It does. You know it does. We all know it does.

If you entertain the idea of Lucifer and his followers fall from grace then that would be the "evil" you seek. As the master of lies you could assume everything he says is a lie, especially the well known line "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." They twist and manipulate us, so that we are unworthy of God's love like they are. Granted these words are only entertained by me and not believed as fact.
---> Why else do you think love is such an important part of the psychedelic experience? It is not from this world. That might be the only thing in this world I feel I truly know. Love is good. God is good? IDK... lol hat's my religion, I don't know and I don't wanna know.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

Edited by LRG (08/04/16 03:33 PM)

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Re: Did God Create Evil? (moved) [Re: YeOlde]
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This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

Reason:
Moving this to the right subforum.

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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LRG said:
Penelope_Tree said:
Question assumes that evil exists.


It does. You know it does. We all know it does.




sorry, but that's not how this works here.


claims ----> evidence


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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LRG said:
It does. You know it does. We all know it does.


I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels.

Back on topic though, I like M. Scott Peck's definition of evil:

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There really are people and institutions made up of people, who respond with hatred in the presence of goodness and would destroy the good insofar as it is in their power to do so. They do this not with conscious malice but blindly, lacking awareness of their own evil -- indeed, seeking to avoid any such awareness. As has been described of the devil in religious literature, they hate the light and instinctively will do anything to avoid it, including attempting to extinguish it. They will destroy the light in their own children and in all other beings subject to their power.

Evil people hate the light because it reveals themselves to themselves. They hate goodness because it reveals their badness; they hate love because it reveals their laziness. They will destroy the light, the goodness, the love in order to avoid the pain of such self-awareness. My second conclusion, then, is that evil is laziness carried to its ultimate, extraordinary extreme. As I have defined it, love is the antithesis of laziness. Ordinary laziness is a passive failure to love. Some ordinarily lazy people may not lift a finger to extend themselves unless they are compelled to do so. Their being is a manifestation of nonlove; still, they are not evil.

Truly evil people, on the other hand, actively rather than passively avoid extending themselves. They will take any action in their power to protect their own laziness, to preserve the integrity of their sick self. Rather than nurturing others, they will actually destroy others in this cause. If necessary, they will even kill to escape the pain of their own spiritual growth. As the integrity of their sick self is threatened by the spiritual health of those around them, they will seek by all manner of means to crush and demolish the spiritual health that may exist near them.

I define evil, then, as the exercise of political power -- that is, the imposition of one’s will upon others by overt or covert coercion -- in order to avoid extending one’s self for the purpose of nurturing spiritual growth. Ordinary laziness is nonlove; evil is antilove.



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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: demiu5]
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demiu5 said:
LRG said:
Penelope_Tree said:
Question assumes that evil exists.


It does. You know it does. We all know it does.




sorry, but that's not how this works here.


claims ----> evidence


Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw. 

If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.

"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

Edited by LRG (08/04/16 04:20 PM)

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Well written there jokeshop but I don't agree with him.

At some stage evil becomes helpless and harmless, even unintentially cured, in the presence of a being of high level of consciousness.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: beforethedawn]
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What is evil?  That bad things can happen?  The human animal can do some bad things for sure.  So can any animal.  Being an animal isn't evil it is natural.

Imthinkmthe justice system is methodically evil.  It shows no light and uses it's strength in evil ways.  It doesn't care about elevating the animal humans to be any less animal.


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In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Nobody fuckin created anything, God is dead term and corrupt in our minds, everything is shit ever since we remember our history and basically humankind is fuckin sick, like a parasite infecting Universe.

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
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yes, I agree, the very concept of 'God' actually creates the whole idea in 'created evil' and the 'Devil', 'Satan' all that, and the demonization of darkness, because this image is of an all-light and good God. So then those who believe in that wonder like OP, so 'did 'he'create 'evil'?'

but look, the Greek philosophers equated consciousness with the masculine and light, and rationality, reason and yet some of the most 'rational' people can be VERY in-the-dark, regarding the deeper issues of life which also include feelings, emotions, empathy.

What then?

To understand that what we call 'light' and 'dark' and all and more of the associations connected with each 'term are in reality dynamically interrelated. To not understand this is to create images like 'God' and the 'Devil'

Edited by zzripz (08/05/16 04:28 AM)

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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LRG said:
Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw. 

If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.

"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.


Since we apparently dont need the burden of proof we might aswell assume that unicorns are real. Can you disproof that unicorns are real ?

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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God is a level of fantasy as is darkness and evil.  Purely perspectives but there are people that believe in the dichotamy.  I don't


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
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howsyournaggerdoin said:
LRG said:
Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw. 

If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.

"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.


Since we apparently dont need the burden of proof we might aswell assume that unicorns are real. Can you disproof that unicorns are real ?


LOL no. Can you disprove an afterlife or force greater than ourselves? Can anyone truly disprove anything if someone still believes in it? I don't think so.

VeryStrangeMan said:
Nobody fuckin created anything, God is dead term and corrupt in our minds, everything is shit ever since we remember our history and basically humankind is fuckin sick, like a parasite infecting Universe.


There have been moments in our history where we've shown our true courage and compassion. The other day I was volunteering and listening to a child counsel his own parents and tell them everything was going to be okay. You can find good and evil. You just have to look for them. From my experience evil hides in plain sight and is easier to find and easier to accept.

You say nobody created anything. Your parents created you. Without them you wouldn't be here. Obvious, but your absolution is wrong by that fact alone.

Would agree on the term and use of the word God for many people like yourself who have been poisoned by the idea of it. Someone used it and it turned you off immediately. What does that tell you about yourself? Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.

I'm not a God fearing man or a religious man. I use the word because I can, and because it gets people like you in a twist. They get so bent out of shape over a fucking word they fail to see the world as it is.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

Edited by LRG (08/05/16 11:03 AM)

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.


errr yeah well it follows, those who believe in the 'God' myth usually morph into believing the shrinks myth also, because the two paradigms share same root---social control!

there is a must-read book about this comparison titled The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement, by Thomas Szasz

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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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There are mentally ill people, that shit is as real as DNA.


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