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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23512530 - 08/05/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

'mental illness' as being diagnosed a biological disease is a myth. There is no actual medical science which can test for 'mental illness'. It therefore is more social control. As religious priests/inquisition would judge the nonconformist as being possessed by 'demons' and needing burning and/or exorcism, so now they. the psychiatrists, psychologists (even teachers, parents etc) will 'diagnose' you having a 'chemical imbalance' and needomg psychiatric drugs and/or ECT
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Thomas Szasz's Summary Statement and Manifesto

    "Myth of mental illness." Mental illness is a metaphor (metaphorical disease). The word "disease" denotes a demonstrable biological process that affects the bodies of living organisms (plants, animals, and humans). The term "mental illness" refers to the undesirable thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of persons. Classifying thoughts, feelings, and behaviors as diseases is a logical and semantic error, like classifying the whale as a fish. As the whale is not a fish, mental illness is not a disease. Individuals with brain diseases (bad brains) or kidney diseases (bad kidneys) are literally sick. Individuals with mental diseases (bad behaviors), like societies with economic diseases (bad fiscal policies), are metaphorically sick. The classification of (mis)behavior as illness provides an ideological justification for state-sponsored social control as medical treatment.




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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23512536 - 08/05/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.




errr yeah well it follows, those who believe in the 'God' myth usually morph into believing the shrinks myth also, because the two paradigms share same root---social control!

there is a must-read book about this comparison titled The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement, by Thomas Szasz




As is the root of evil.

I've always disliked the idea that the church and government is trying to control us with marriage and religion. All that non-conformist bullshit does face us off against other people or gets us not to care, and all the institutions do is pit the people against each other for their own gain. There is another path.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23512546 - 08/05/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23512562 - 08/05/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bullshit

There are known genes associated with specific varieties of mental health disorders.  Numerous biological differences in the brains of mentally ill or drug dependent people. 

The exact mechanisms are not well understood, but there is plenty to read.

I believe that the genes for mental illness are about as old as mankind.  It is an evolutionary step not to have these genetic markers.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23512577 - 08/05/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to




Yea I've always wondered that myself, but when you look at those who question and rebel they often fall. Which always put the fall of Lucifer at the center for me. I mean why punish someone for it? It's such an innocent thing. Poor guy literally just didn't want to kiss ass and spend eternity in worship. Personally, heaven sounds like a fucking prison to me, and if the Devil is a liar then which one is true? Is the place of true happiness and love actually just full of pain and suffering? I think it's entirely possible.

If God wants my love he'll have to earn it. Not the other way around.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23512599 - 08/05/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't find that man kind has progressed spiritually enough to clearly state the spiritual perspectives.  Seems those that have seen the light keep a tight lip on the secrets.

When an enlightened one brings an army of space creatures to Earth, I will listen!


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23513163 - 08/05/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Bullshit

There are known genes associated with specific varieties of mental health disorders.  Numerous biological differences in the brains of mentally ill or drug dependent people. 

The exact mechanisms are not well understood, but there is plenty to read.

I believe that the genes for mental illness are about as old as mankind.  It is an evolutionary step not to have these genetic markers.




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but there is plenty to read.


LOL, oh yeah, they sure are masters of words and language alright! But actual scientific medical evidence? No!
If you think otherwise, it is your look out. There is plenty of information you will discover if you look which completely refutes their BS.

For example they are now (even head of APA) admitting that the 'chemical imbalance' 'diagnoses' were fraudulent all along, though these spin quack doctors will now claim their phony diagnoses were/are'metaphor'!

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Psychiatry’s Manufactured Consent: Chemical Imbalance Theory and the Antidepressant Explosion

Why has the American public not heard psychiatrists in positions of influence on the mass media debunk the chemical imbalance theory? Big Pharma’s corruption of psychiatry is only part of the explanation. Many psychiatrists, acting in the manner of a benevolent elite, did not alert the general public because they believed that the chemical imbalance theory was a useful fiction to get patients to accept their mental illness and take their medication. In other words, the chemical imbalance theory was an excellent way to manufacture consent.

In January 2012, National Public Radio correspondent Alix Spiegel began her piece with the following personal story about being prescribed Prozac when she was a teenager:

    When I was 17 years old, I got so depressed that what felt like an enormous black hole appeared in my chest. Everywhere I went, the black hole went too. So to address the black-hole issue, my parents took me to a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins Hospital. She did an evaluation and then told me this story: “The problem with you, she explained, “is that you have a chemical imbalance. It’s biological, just like diabetes, but it’s in your brain. This chemical in your brain called serotonin is too, too low. There’s not enough of it, and that’s what’s causing the chemical imbalance. We need to give you medication to correct that.” Then she handed my mother a prescription for Prozac.

This chemical imbalance story, countlessly repeated on antidepressant commercials and by psychiatrists from prestigious institutions, has been so effective that it comes as a surprise to many Americans — including Alix Spiegel — to discover that the psychiatric establishment now claims that it has always known that this theory was not true - an “urban legend” - the term used by Ronald Pies, Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of the Psychiatric Times. As Pies stated in 2011, “In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend — never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.”




They are shysters, con-men, serving the State! Gatekeepers for an oppressive occupation of our world which we are supposed to take as 'normal' whilst these quack merchants, who have totally sold out to their benefactor the pharmaceutical industry, call natural human response to such an oppression and problems of living, 'mentally ill' and 'disordered'. This in a world which is treating other species, and millions of people, and very nature itself in such destructive insane abusive genocidal and ecocidal ways?

It is social control because IF they can make out emotions, as deep as they may go, are disease, they can with one wave of their evil wand blame the victims, making their role in oppression and dis-ease 'disappear', and also rake in BILLIONS in profits for the fkin toxic drugs they push. VERY ironically in a world where there's supposed to be a 'war on 'drugs''! Not theirs of course.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23513206 - 08/05/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well here's my openion short & sweet. My God did not create evil, but it was created by ourselves, or another God, and yes even God states in the Bible they were other Gods. Peace & Love


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23513219 - 08/05/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No there is medical evidence but like with all religions there is conflicting theories.

Post mortem schizophrenics have higher than normal monoamine levels.  Post mortem depressed patients have lower than normal monoamine levels.  Schizophrenics also have larger spatial cavities in their brain.  As well as other differences.  Einstein had genius in math because his brain is different in the math and spatial reasoning area.

I do agree that it is odd to give a patient an SSRI while blockading the results.  It is dangerous to give drugs without knowing very well what could be the result.  Lot's of theories don't really work out like play time magic!


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23513309 - 08/05/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to




Yea I've always wondered that myself, but when you look at those who question and rebel they often fall. Which always put the fall of Lucifer at the center for me. I mean why punish someone for it? It's such an innocent thing. Poor guy literally just didn't want to kiss ass and spend eternity in worship. Personally, heaven sounds like a fucking prison to me, and if the Devil is a liar then which one is true? Is the place of true happiness and love actually just full of pain and suffering? I think it's entirely possible.

If God wants my love he'll have to earn it. Not the other way around.




well the danger is is when questioning that myth, both the Judean - Christian or the Luciferianism to not take them literally. From what I know they both share the same worldview and roots but from inverse perspectives. So the former believes 'God' is good and the 'serpent' in the Tree in the Eden story is evil, whilst the latter thinks the opposite, 'God' is evil and a prison-guard, and the serpent in the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was 'Lucifer' and good because he wanted to liberate Adam and Eve telling them they could become gods

This is how I am understanding what's behind these myths which i call toxic myth, because they are devised to divide and control and thus enslave: the Judean Christian myth wants total subservience to a warrior 'God'. You cannot question 'his' word. This demand is shared on the other offshoots of Abrahamic belief like Islam which actually means 'submission':

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Founder Study Notes, WebTorrent. The Arabic term "Islam" itself is usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term "aslama", which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".




So the so-called rebels are those who deify Lucifer (which is really self-worship rather than to an actual god), because he questions this tyrant God. BUT what THEY do is form a secret society of occult knowledge, and technomatrix, whereby they assume they can become or are 'gods' and thus look at fellow humans, and of course other species and the natural world itself as being inferior to them, and worthy of being exploited. This is EXACTLY what is playing out in the world right now! The belief in insane myths causing all the destruction we are seeing and experiencing.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23513342 - 08/05/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Seems that all the destruction men and woman do is for self serving.  It takes a lot of education and some discipline to create and have less consequence to ourselves.  Not at all sure how religion works into that and it doesn't.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
    #23514489 - 08/05/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the so-called rebels are those who deify Lucifer (which is really self-worship rather than to an actual god), because he questions this tyrant God. BUT what THEY do is form a secret society of occult knowledge, and technomatrix, whereby they assume they can become or are 'gods' and thus look at fellow humans, and of course other species and the natural world itself as being inferior to them, and worthy of being exploited. This is EXACTLY what is playing out in the world right now! The belief in insane myths causing all the destruction we are seeing and experiencing.




What about them makes them insane and mysterious? They're stories that have been told countless times throughout our history. How do the stories and morals keep resurfacing unless there is some truth to them? If it is playing out in the world right now how can you have so much doubt about them?

I am with you on the divide and control part. I don't believe in self worship or divine worship. I know they're both wrong somehow. I believe in freeing the people of this world.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23515098 - 08/06/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

how do these--what i call toxic myths/stories--keep resurfacing? because there is ignore~ance of the roots of them, and who is behind them. If for example the followers of eg the Church of Scientology used their intelligence to seriously critically evaluate its absurd beliefs do you think they would follow it? No. It is as simple as that. It is people really being willing to question absurdity. it is using your unique intelligent energy of inquiry, and that way you find your truth


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23515665 - 08/06/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, my parents didn't create me. They had sex, where cells were involved. Also other bacteria in that moment when I was "created".
And they were having a drive, which is prehistorical, the presence full of World's influence, they had food in stomach and some kind of idea that male has to move genitals in process of "creating" that haused severe sperm injuries and shock, so I was affected by it too. In fact, me being alive simply happened. So did happen the World and idea of God and so on. The Life force itself happened out of Nothing. Nothing was there so Nothingish that it unhappened in eternal nothingness for something to happen.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: VeryStrangeMan]
    #23516322 - 08/06/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude, my parents didn't create me. They had sex, where cells were involved. Also other bacteria in that moment when I was "created".
And they were having a drive, which is prehistorical, the presence full of World's influence, they had food in stomach and some kind of idea that male has to move genitals in process of "creating" that haused severe sperm injuries and shock, so I was affected by it too. In fact, me being alive simply happened. So did happen the World and idea of God and so on. The Life force itself happened out of Nothing. Nothing was there so Nothingish that it unhappened in eternal nothingness for something to happen.




Uhh huh. And exactly how would have been made without your mother's egg and your father's sperm?

Are you the Christ child? Son of God? That is literally the only other explanation. You didn't just pop out of your mother's vagina. She carried you until she gave birth. Might have dropped you on your head once or twice but she's only human. God forgives her for birthing a son for not recognizing his own  parents.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
    #23516401 - 08/06/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God is the All Encompassing Oneness. The entire universe is separated out of this oneness as dualities.

One such duality is Good and Evil.


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Asante]
    #23516438 - 08/06/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Man was created in the image of God and given creative Liberty.

Man created evil for itself as an expression of the guilt of separation from God.


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    #23516853 - 08/06/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7


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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23517523 - 08/07/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, I am a fucking Nature's mistake that is responsible for Death of hundreds and thousands, literally and illiterally. It has nothing to do with my Mother being nice lady. It has something to do with God is Dead, idea never worked, belief is brainwashing that still works through all the genetics etc. Basically - Life is corrupted. Nobody can fix it. Human kill animal = suffering on metaphysical level comes back to manifest in chaotic thoughts later. Fuck this, I could talk all day and all night, yet you couldn't fucking understand that you infact believe that DEAD fuckin God and keep ressurrecting it in yourself as small chance of it. Go to Hell, it is a state of TRUTH. Deny Heavens, it is for hypocrates. And it is a lie therefore. Why? Fuck you, think yourself.


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    #23517541 - 08/07/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No, I am a fucking Nature's mistake that is responsible for Death of hundreds and thousands, literally and illiterally. It has nothing to do with my Mother being nice lady. It has something to do with God is Dead, idea never worked, belief is brainwashing that still works through all the genetics etc. Basically - Life is corrupted. Nobody can fix it. Human kill animal = suffering on metaphysical level comes back to manifest in chaotic thoughts later. Fuck this, I could talk all day and all night, yet you couldn't fucking understand that you infact believe that DEAD fuckin God and keep ressurrecting it in yourself as small chance of it. Go to Hell, it is a state of TRUTH. Deny Heavens, it is for hypocrates. And it is a lie therefore. Why? Fuck you, think yourself.




I understand completely. You think God is dead because humans are an abomination and plague unto this world. I just don't agree with it.

Beliefs are bad, I agree. People will kill for them. From the movie Dogma "People took a good idea, and turned it into a belief system." "The whole of existence is in jeopardy because of a belief."

We're more on the same page than you may think. I just see the world the complete opposite way you do. Duality of the universe at it's finest.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

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"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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