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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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I don't have any emotional problems that prevent me from calling Ultimate Reality GOD. I also don't allow my petty doubting mind prevent me from praying prayers of thanksgiving, intercession, petition, or falling into contemplation. Existence is a dream in the mind of GOD, and we are figments of the Divine Mind. On the other hand, The Ideas or Forms in the Divine Mind are Eternal (even if their manifestations are temporal). Think about it.
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Norwegian Lyircs:
En skikkelse lå der på bakken så vond at de blomster rundt visnet en dyster sjel lå der på bakken så kald at alt vann ble til is
En skygge da falt over skogen da skikkelsens sjel visnet bort for skikkelsens sjel var en skygge en skygge av vondskapens makt
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A figure laid on the ground So malicious, that the flowers around him withered A dark soul laid on the ground So cold, that all water changed into ice
A shadow fell over the woods As the figure's soul withered towards it Because the figure's soul was a shadow
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't have any emotional problems that prevent me from calling Ultimate Reality GOD. I also don't allow my petty doubting mind prevent me from praying prayers of thanksgiving, intercession, petition, or falling into contemplation. Existence is a dream in the mind of GOD, and we are figments of the Divine Mind. On the other hand, The Ideas or Forms in the Divine Mind are Eternal (even if their manifestations are temporal). Think about it.
You have a brain and that is what separates us from higher existence. Sure the brain has ways but it can be full of traps. Just about everyone pretends to know whatever higher existence.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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You have a brain and that is what separates us from higher existence. Sure the brain has ways but it can be full of traps. Just about everyone pretends to know whatever higher existence.
Brain ≠ mind. I am both, but mind is derivative of Eternal Mind. Indeed, all existence is the product of Eternal Mind. Essence precedes existence. Aldous Huxley did consider the brain to be a "reducing valve," so in that sense i agree "that is what separates us from higher existence."
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The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it. A lot of people want to keep their brains closed fearing exploring dark reaches. I read today that it's common in the west to fear the unconscious. So most people go about unware of their great impact. I find this 'evil' yet it is the established norm among law abiding citizens. People reason the evil out of their conduct. Dumb it down so everything is ok.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: YeOlde] 1
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YeOlde said: ?
I don't think of god as some white-bearded man but yes, "god" created evil.
Life is pointless without negativity. If it were all pleasure we'd soon be bored. To be a bored god would be the ultimate hell.
We need to experience pain to know pleasure.....
I could go on with more dumb sayings but point is that I do believe indeed evil/pain/all other negative things were completely of purpose to allow it to experience a broader range of "life".
I really don't believe evil is "bad" at all. I'm actually very thankful for it. We'd have no appreciation for the good things without the bad.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Sounds like Germany! (back in the day, and all...)
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy] 1
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Morel Guy said: The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it. A lot of people want to keep their brains closed fearing exploring dark reaches. I read today that it's common in the west to fear the unconscious. So most people go about unware of their great impact. I find this 'evil' yet it is the established norm among law abiding citizens. People reason the evil out of their conduct. Dumb it down so everything is ok.
It's best to talk 'software' (the psyche) instead of 'hardware' (the brain). The conscious mind represses unwanted aspects of the psyche (The Shadow) into the unconscious. If one is a good person, The Shadow is comprised of rejected sinister, nefarious, or criminal potentialities. But conversely, criminals are tormented in their dreams by their Shadow characters who are saintly, honest, compassionate. Whatever one's conscious attitude is, The Shadow is comprised of opposite tendencies.
The typical advice is to repress the "evil" as you call it. The religious mentality which denies evil to God, projects evil out of the God-concept onto a Devil (D'evil). That is by itself not a harmful thing. What becomes harmful is when this Devil is then in turn projected onto groups of people: Pagans, women, witches, Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, Blacks, etc. - whatever serves as projection-screens for one's individual or collective fears.
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
Yes, that is the case. I suspect that our language has been tampered with or at least has some interesting clues to the great meanings we can know.
For example the word "evolution" has LOVE as the first 4 letters backwards. The word "evil" starts with "ev" as does "evolution", but then end with "il(l)". The end of evolution is an illness would be the translation using this logic.
That completely works with another perspective that sees God as eternity, the opposite of extinction. All spiritual people agree that God is love.
Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical. The word "diabolical" begins with "dia" and the Greek root of dia (sometimes di) is a prefix meaning through, across, apart, between.
Accordingly, the sickness is between their human, cognitive intelligence, and their unconscious mind which has genetic memory rooted in animism as well as phylogenetic DNA of human genetic memory.
When we allow or demand that psychology learn how to treat the unconscious mind directly, we will find ways to identify the paths between the conscious and unconscious mind that are diabolically working to cause extinction.
I have a thread here that focuses on a harrowing aspect of this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23535823
Our ability to focus with love upon the protection of life could be our only way to defeat the unconscious potentials for controlling us with unseen and unreasoned fears, immobilizing us in time fro taking effective action and leading to our extinction.
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Morel Guy said:
The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it.
It's as impossible to master as the weather.
We enter the gates of Hell when we desire to master it.
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Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical.
When you say "sickness", I assume you mean suffering?
Do you think the "Devil" that Jesus spoke of is outside ourselves, or inside?
This is a huge debate. Most Christians insist that Satan is an outside force.
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Morel Guy said: The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it.
It's as impossible to master as the weather.
We enter the gates of Hell when we desire to master it.
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ChristopherABrown said:
Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical.
When you say "sickness", I assume you mean suffering?
Do you think the "Devil" that Jesus spoke of is outside ourselves, or inside?
This is a huge debate. Most Christians insist that Satan is an outside force.
First I would like to address the exchange between you and Morel Guy.
Firstly Morel Guy, is correct it is impossible to master the human brain. But there are 2 cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking and generalizations in his statement that diminish the possibility of what we can do.
To describe the human mind as "the brain" ignores there is a cognitive and unconscious element that interact dynamically. We have at least 2 brains. To use the term "master" implies total control, or something. I don't even think we want that, we certainly do not need it to get the desired effects.
Mostly people need assistance to occupy behavioral patterns that are not problematic. That is a very general statement. But, never the less it covers our need. Human behavior is controlled by the unconscious mind by the most part. The conscious, cognitive mind uses the mores and laws of society to mitigate the unconscious compulsions that most often we give into, but under conditions that are socially acceptable. It is the job of the cognitive mind to figure out how that is done and do it to fulfill it's master, the unconscious, the ID. Even then, by knowing the unconscious in its dimensions, suddenly some becomes far more important in the long term. Patience is learned by the unconscious for the right reasons.
Now, the label. "The devil". Another cognitive distortion.
Jesus, as far as I can tell is probably the most misrepresented human being ever. From what my last post detailed in the entomology of the word "evil", we could surmise that Jesus spoke of "the evil", which as conveniently combined into a label , "the (d)evil". That was then later interpreted according to the design of some special interest as ONLY external. A cognitive distortion if all evidence is reasonably considered.
Jesus was about life and love protecting it. So what I described is that the " evil " is animal instincts defined by our phylogenetic DNA that COMPLETELY lack an understanding an experience of love, a human trait, and instead are empowered by cognitive potentials with no moral or ethical restraints to gratify the animal impulse.
There is a HUGE array of animal instincts which might awaken from our unconscious mind. If we are unaware of this, of the potential and do not see that there is intervention before the associated fascinations and fixations occur, the human becomes corrupted, perverted from their higher human potential and acts against the interests of living things.
However, to say that the (d)evil is only inside is all or nothing thinking. We have dream states that might influence us deeply through one third of our lives, normally and naturally. "The prince of darkness" is an old term. Perhaps far more adequate than an modern concept.
Yes, we've lost that much understanding of our spiritual existence. But really it was taken. We did not relinquish it willingly at any time.
Before it was lost, children were taught to pray with a valid resemblance of a paradigm having structure in a spiritual reality before going to sleep to protect themselves from the "prince of darkness". Obviously, willfully meditating on the intent of a spiritual leader like Jesus. Love.
Consider, one third of the world is always in total darkness. A dream could travel through the collective unconscious mind, learned by individuals who then emerge into a temporal reality where cognitive processes completing biological survival functions are constantly mitigating the instinctual invocations of the previous nights dream with the group they dream with.
Yes, we condition our own into subgroups of dreamers according to animalistic traits that are learned, fixed and dominant.
Now, . . we know about epigenetics. Do we know what these beliefs and prayer did with epigenetics? No, but we can assume within this discussion that the ancients did, only in a different way.
Love is an instinct, the most powerful instinct IF we are to survive and evolve.
The child, by earnestly focusing on love, meditating with what ever understanding they have of it in its role of protecting and enabling our lives to greater fulfillment, truly awakened deep, eternal instincts, DNA, that have power over them instead of whatever information, knowledge, intent, travels in the ebb and flow from us to the collective unconscious during sleep.
This is why the book "The Hundredth Monkey" is so important. It is our rational beginning into a path of understanding ourselves and what life, outside of us is about. It was science discovering spirit. Truly a beautiful thing, quashed with power for the sake of control.
Accordingly, this discussion can only be most fulfilling AFTER we understand a great deal more than we do about our unconscious existence. Escaping dogma, the old word for cognitive distortions, is a real beginning in using what there is in science to tailor and refine our adaptations, thus survival and evolution. Dogma and distortion aside.
Think about love, then live .
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