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Did God Create Evil?
#23509808 - 08/04/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: YeOlde]
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So many things have been created and have lost where they came from. Maybe energy will flow back. Seems exploring darkness to find more light and what exist my idea of a higher thought.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: YeOlde]
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23509866 - 08/04/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Question assumes that evil exists.
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I think it is a amnesia. We forgot that we are all of existence. Our brains separate ourselves from the unified form. Some brains let go of this amnesia and remember.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy] 1
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'evil' isn't some anomaly that has kinda dropped alien-like into nature. it is a term which describes an extreme form of experience that is seen to be opposite to another term we use for what we find pleasurable, the 'good'
Now a myth which posits a spiritual being who crates nature and the universe and is 'all good' will make people then ask the question, ' did God make evil?', because the presumption that 'he' is all-good makes us wonder 'well what about evil? where's it come from?' Get me?
but in reality you cann't not only not have good without evil, you cannot KNOW good without evil,,,,,, because reality is dynamic. there is no such thing as only one side to an experience. Can you be all-wet, or all-dry, or all asleep, or all awake, or all up, or all down etc etc etc. No. We cannot envisage reality without there being contrasts.
Take this what is being typed. IF it was typed all-black, or all-white, how the fk could anyone see what was being typed? We need the contrast of black and/or white to be able to know the other. Same with 'space' and 'form'. One may ignore space which gives the shape to form, but you certainly cannot ever have one without the other! Would not literally make sense
Well it is the same with 'good' and 'evil'. The freedom and dynamic of reality is that you can experience a potential of experience
So am I saying that the evil in the world is alright? No. I am seeing evil of that and history is coming from mindsets who do not ACCEPT the dynamics of reality. So for example, someone who identifies with 'the all good' will project their idea of 'evil' onto others, and from this ignoreance all evil follows
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
It does. You know it does. We all know it does.
If you entertain the idea of Lucifer and his followers fall from grace then that would be the "evil" you seek. As the master of lies you could assume everything he says is a lie, especially the well known line "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." They twist and manipulate us, so that we are unworthy of God's love like they are. Granted these words are only entertained by me and not believed as fact. ---> Why else do you think love is such an important part of the psychedelic experience? It is not from this world. That might be the only thing in this world I feel I truly know. Love is good. God is good? IDK... lol hat's my religion, I don't know and I don't wanna know.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? (moved) [Re: YeOlde]
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This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
It does. You know it does. We all know it does.
sorry, but that's not how this works here.
claims ----> evidence
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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LRG said: It does. You know it does. We all know it does.
I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels.
Back on topic though, I like M. Scott Peck's definition of evil:
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There really are people and institutions made up of people, who respond with hatred in the presence of goodness and would destroy the good insofar as it is in their power to do so. They do this not with conscious malice but blindly, lacking awareness of their own evil -- indeed, seeking to avoid any such awareness. As has been described of the devil in religious literature, they hate the light and instinctively will do anything to avoid it, including attempting to extinguish it. They will destroy the light in their own children and in all other beings subject to their power.
Evil people hate the light because it reveals themselves to themselves. They hate goodness because it reveals their badness; they hate love because it reveals their laziness. They will destroy the light, the goodness, the love in order to avoid the pain of such self-awareness. My second conclusion, then, is that evil is laziness carried to its ultimate, extraordinary extreme. As I have defined it, love is the antithesis of laziness. Ordinary laziness is a passive failure to love. Some ordinarily lazy people may not lift a finger to extend themselves unless they are compelled to do so. Their being is a manifestation of nonlove; still, they are not evil.
Truly evil people, on the other hand, actively rather than passively avoid extending themselves. They will take any action in their power to protect their own laziness, to preserve the integrity of their sick self. Rather than nurturing others, they will actually destroy others in this cause. If necessary, they will even kill to escape the pain of their own spiritual growth. As the integrity of their sick self is threatened by the spiritual health of those around them, they will seek by all manner of means to crush and demolish the spiritual health that may exist near them.
I define evil, then, as the exercise of political power -- that is, the imposition of one’s will upon others by overt or covert coercion -- in order to avoid extending one’s self for the purpose of nurturing spiritual growth. Ordinary laziness is nonlove; evil is antilove.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: demiu5]
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
It does. You know it does. We all know it does.
sorry, but that's not how this works here.
claims ----> evidence
Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw.
If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.
"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.
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Well written there jokeshop but I don't agree with him.
At some stage evil becomes helpless and harmless, even unintentially cured, in the presence of a being of high level of consciousness.
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What is evil? That bad things can happen? The human animal can do some bad things for sure. So can any animal. Being an animal isn't evil it is natural.
Imthinkmthe justice system is methodically evil. It shows no light and uses it's strength in evil ways. It doesn't care about elevating the animal humans to be any less animal.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Nobody fuckin created anything, God is dead term and corrupt in our minds, everything is shit ever since we remember our history and basically humankind is fuckin sick, like a parasite infecting Universe.
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yes, I agree, the very concept of 'God' actually creates the whole idea in 'created evil' and the 'Devil', 'Satan' all that, and the demonization of darkness, because this image is of an all-light and good God. So then those who believe in that wonder like OP, so 'did 'he'create 'evil'?'
but look, the Greek philosophers equated consciousness with the masculine and light, and rationality, reason and yet some of the most 'rational' people can be VERY in-the-dark, regarding the deeper issues of life which also include feelings, emotions, empathy.
What then?
To understand that what we call 'light' and 'dark' and all and more of the associations connected with each 'term are in reality dynamically interrelated. To not understand this is to create images like 'God' and the 'Devil'
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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LRG said: Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw.
If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.
"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.
Since we apparently dont need the burden of proof we might aswell assume that unicorns are real. Can you disproof that unicorns are real ?
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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God is a level of fantasy as is darkness and evil. Purely perspectives but there are people that believe in the dichotamy. I don't
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LRG said: Looking for evidence about something that is viewed as a point of view? Something that can't be proven? Why do you torment yourself with answering questions you will literally never understand. That's a rhetorical question btw.
If there's one thing I dislike about psychedelics is the doubt it puts in you. Makes you search for evidence and reason behind it all. Makes you surrender to show you these things. Then when it's all over you're left there with your hand on your dick and a few minor, infantile revelations about what life actually is. Only to go back to the drugs to find out more and grovel beneath it. I do not bow down to anything in this world. Never have surrendered to drugs and never will.
"I don't think it's ever a safe assumption to suggest you know what anyone else feels." - Have you ever felt something across time and space you knew was real but couldn't explain? Ever woke up in the middle of the night terrified and didn't know why? Ever feel gutwrenching loss out of nowhere only to find out someone you love has died? I don't suggest I know anything. I float the idea and let you decide.
Since we apparently dont need the burden of proof we might aswell assume that unicorns are real. Can you disproof that unicorns are real ?
LOL no. Can you disprove an afterlife or force greater than ourselves? Can anyone truly disprove anything if someone still believes in it? I don't think so.
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There have been moments in our history where we've shown our true courage and compassion. The other day I was volunteering and listening to a child counsel his own parents and tell them everything was going to be okay. You can find good and evil. You just have to look for them. From my experience evil hides in plain sight and is easier to find and easier to accept.
You say nobody created anything. Your parents created you. Without them you wouldn't be here. Obvious, but your absolution is wrong by that fact alone.
Would agree on the term and use of the word God for many people like yourself who have been poisoned by the idea of it. Someone used it and it turned you off immediately. What does that tell you about yourself? Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.
I'm not a God fearing man or a religious man. I use the word because I can, and because it gets people like you in a twist. They get so bent out of shape over a fucking word they fail to see the world as it is.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.
errr yeah well it follows, those who believe in the 'God' myth usually morph into believing the shrinks myth also, because the two paradigms share same root---social control!
there is a must-read book about this comparison titled The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement, by Thomas Szasz
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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There are mentally ill people, that shit is as real as DNA.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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'mental illness' as being diagnosed a biological disease is a myth. There is no actual medical science which can test for 'mental illness'. It therefore is more social control. As religious priests/inquisition would judge the nonconformist as being possessed by 'demons' and needing burning and/or exorcism, so now they. the psychiatrists, psychologists (even teachers, parents etc) will 'diagnose' you having a 'chemical imbalance' and needomg psychiatric drugs and/or ECT
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"Myth of mental illness." Mental illness is a metaphor (metaphorical disease). The word "disease" denotes a demonstrable biological process that affects the bodies of living organisms (plants, animals, and humans). The term "mental illness" refers to the undesirable thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of persons. Classifying thoughts, feelings, and behaviors as diseases is a logical and semantic error, like classifying the whale as a fish. As the whale is not a fish, mental illness is not a disease. Individuals with brain diseases (bad brains) or kidney diseases (bad kidneys) are literally sick. Individuals with mental diseases (bad behaviors), like societies with economic diseases (bad fiscal policies), are metaphorically sick. The classification of (mis)behavior as illness provides an ideological justification for state-sponsored social control as medical treatment.
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Doesn't take a psychiatrist to see you're blinded by hate.
errr yeah well it follows, those who believe in the 'God' myth usually morph into believing the shrinks myth also, because the two paradigms share same root---social control!
there is a must-read book about this comparison titled The Manufacture of Madness: A Comparative Study of the Inquisition and the Mental Health Movement, by Thomas Szasz
As is the root of evil.
I've always disliked the idea that the church and government is trying to control us with marriage and religion. All that non-conformist bullshit does face us off against other people or gets us not to care, and all the institutions do is pit the people against each other for their own gain. There is another path.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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Bullshit
There are known genes associated with specific varieties of mental health disorders. Numerous biological differences in the brains of mentally ill or drug dependent people.
The exact mechanisms are not well understood, but there is plenty to read.
I believe that the genes for mental illness are about as old as mankind. It is an evolutionary step not to have these genetic markers.
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zzripz said: well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to
Yea I've always wondered that myself, but when you look at those who question and rebel they often fall. Which always put the fall of Lucifer at the center for me. I mean why punish someone for it? It's such an innocent thing. Poor guy literally just didn't want to kiss ass and spend eternity in worship. Personally, heaven sounds like a fucking prison to me, and if the Devil is a liar then which one is true? Is the place of true happiness and love actually just full of pain and suffering? I think it's entirely possible.
If God wants my love he'll have to earn it. Not the other way around.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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I don't find that man kind has progressed spiritually enough to clearly state the spiritual perspectives. Seems those that have seen the light keep a tight lip on the secrets.
When an enlightened one brings an army of space creatures to Earth, I will listen!
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Morel Guy said: Bullshit
There are known genes associated with specific varieties of mental health disorders. Numerous biological differences in the brains of mentally ill or drug dependent people.
The exact mechanisms are not well understood, but there is plenty to read.
I believe that the genes for mental illness are about as old as mankind. It is an evolutionary step not to have these genetic markers.
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LOL, oh yeah, they sure are masters of words and language alright! But actual scientific medical evidence? No! If you think otherwise, it is your look out. There is plenty of information you will discover if you look which completely refutes their BS.
For example they are now (even head of APA) admitting that the 'chemical imbalance' 'diagnoses' were fraudulent all along, though these spin quack doctors will now claim their phony diagnoses were/are'metaphor'!
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Psychiatry’s Manufactured Consent: Chemical Imbalance Theory and the Antidepressant Explosion
Why has the American public not heard psychiatrists in positions of influence on the mass media debunk the chemical imbalance theory? Big Pharma’s corruption of psychiatry is only part of the explanation. Many psychiatrists, acting in the manner of a benevolent elite, did not alert the general public because they believed that the chemical imbalance theory was a useful fiction to get patients to accept their mental illness and take their medication. In other words, the chemical imbalance theory was an excellent way to manufacture consent.
In January 2012, National Public Radio correspondent Alix Spiegel began her piece with the following personal story about being prescribed Prozac when she was a teenager:
When I was 17 years old, I got so depressed that what felt like an enormous black hole appeared in my chest. Everywhere I went, the black hole went too. So to address the black-hole issue, my parents took me to a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins Hospital. She did an evaluation and then told me this story: “The problem with you, she explained, “is that you have a chemical imbalance. It’s biological, just like diabetes, but it’s in your brain. This chemical in your brain called serotonin is too, too low. There’s not enough of it, and that’s what’s causing the chemical imbalance. We need to give you medication to correct that.” Then she handed my mother a prescription for Prozac.
This chemical imbalance story, countlessly repeated on antidepressant commercials and by psychiatrists from prestigious institutions, has been so effective that it comes as a surprise to many Americans — including Alix Spiegel — to discover that the psychiatric establishment now claims that it has always known that this theory was not true - an “urban legend” - the term used by Ronald Pies, Editor-in-Chief Emeritus of the Psychiatric Times. As Pies stated in 2011, “In truth, the ‘chemical imbalance’ notion was always a kind of urban legend — never a theory seriously propounded by well-informed psychiatrists.”
They are shysters, con-men, serving the State! Gatekeepers for an oppressive occupation of our world which we are supposed to take as 'normal' whilst these quack merchants, who have totally sold out to their benefactor the pharmaceutical industry, call natural human response to such an oppression and problems of living, 'mentally ill' and 'disordered'. This in a world which is treating other species, and millions of people, and very nature itself in such destructive insane abusive genocidal and ecocidal ways?
It is social control because IF they can make out emotions, as deep as they may go, are disease, they can with one wave of their evil wand blame the victims, making their role in oppression and dis-ease 'disappear', and also rake in BILLIONS in profits for the fkin toxic drugs they push. VERY ironically in a world where there's supposed to be a 'war on 'drugs''! Not theirs of course.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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Well here's my openion short & sweet. My God did not create evil, but it was created by ourselves, or another God, and yes even God states in the Bible they were other Gods. Peace & Love
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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No there is medical evidence but like with all religions there is conflicting theories.
Post mortem schizophrenics have higher than normal monoamine levels. Post mortem depressed patients have lower than normal monoamine levels. Schizophrenics also have larger spatial cavities in their brain. As well as other differences. Einstein had genius in math because his brain is different in the math and spatial reasoning area.
I do agree that it is odd to give a patient an SSRI while blockading the results. It is dangerous to give drugs without knowing very well what could be the result. Lot's of theories don't really work out like play time magic!
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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zzripz said: well the other path for me is questioning authoritarianism, be it religious, state, etc. Your real freedom is to question what you feel the need to
Yea I've always wondered that myself, but when you look at those who question and rebel they often fall. Which always put the fall of Lucifer at the center for me. I mean why punish someone for it? It's such an innocent thing. Poor guy literally just didn't want to kiss ass and spend eternity in worship. Personally, heaven sounds like a fucking prison to me, and if the Devil is a liar then which one is true? Is the place of true happiness and love actually just full of pain and suffering? I think it's entirely possible.
If God wants my love he'll have to earn it. Not the other way around.
well the danger is is when questioning that myth, both the Judean - Christian or the Luciferianism to not take them literally. From what I know they both share the same worldview and roots but from inverse perspectives. So the former believes 'God' is good and the 'serpent' in the Tree in the Eden story is evil, whilst the latter thinks the opposite, 'God' is evil and a prison-guard, and the serpent in the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was 'Lucifer' and good because he wanted to liberate Adam and Eve telling them they could become gods
This is how I am understanding what's behind these myths which i call toxic myth, because they are devised to divide and control and thus enslave: the Judean Christian myth wants total subservience to a warrior 'God'. You cannot question 'his' word. This demand is shared on the other offshoots of Abrahamic belief like Islam which actually means 'submission':
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So the so-called rebels are those who deify Lucifer (which is really self-worship rather than to an actual god), because he questions this tyrant God. BUT what THEY do is form a secret society of occult knowledge, and technomatrix, whereby they assume they can become or are 'gods' and thus look at fellow humans, and of course other species and the natural world itself as being inferior to them, and worthy of being exploited. This is EXACTLY what is playing out in the world right now! The belief in insane myths causing all the destruction we are seeing and experiencing.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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Seems that all the destruction men and woman do is for self serving. It takes a lot of education and some discipline to create and have less consequence to ourselves. Not at all sure how religion works into that and it doesn't.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: zzripz]
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What about them makes them insane and mysterious? They're stories that have been told countless times throughout our history. How do the stories and morals keep resurfacing unless there is some truth to them? If it is playing out in the world right now how can you have so much doubt about them?
I am with you on the divide and control part. I don't believe in self worship or divine worship. I know they're both wrong somehow. I believe in freeing the people of this world.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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how do these--what i call toxic myths/stories--keep resurfacing? because there is ignore~ance of the roots of them, and who is behind them. If for example the followers of eg the Church of Scientology used their intelligence to seriously critically evaluate its absurd beliefs do you think they would follow it? No. It is as simple as that. It is people really being willing to question absurdity. it is using your unique intelligent energy of inquiry, and that way you find your truth
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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Dude, my parents didn't create me. They had sex, where cells were involved. Also other bacteria in that moment when I was "created". And they were having a drive, which is prehistorical, the presence full of World's influence, they had food in stomach and some kind of idea that male has to move genitals in process of "creating" that haused severe sperm injuries and shock, so I was affected by it too. In fact, me being alive simply happened. So did happen the World and idea of God and so on. The Life force itself happened out of Nothing. Nothing was there so Nothingish that it unhappened in eternal nothingness for something to happen.
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Uhh huh. And exactly how would have been made without your mother's egg and your father's sperm?
Are you the Christ child? Son of God? That is literally the only other explanation. You didn't just pop out of your mother's vagina. She carried you until she gave birth. Might have dropped you on your head once or twice but she's only human. God forgives her for birthing a son for not recognizing his own parents.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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God is the All Encompassing Oneness. The entire universe is separated out of this oneness as dualities.
One such duality is Good and Evil.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Asante]
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Man was created in the image of God and given creative Liberty.
Man created evil for itself as an expression of the guilt of separation from God.
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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7
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No, I am a fucking Nature's mistake that is responsible for Death of hundreds and thousands, literally and illiterally. It has nothing to do with my Mother being nice lady. It has something to do with God is Dead, idea never worked, belief is brainwashing that still works through all the genetics etc. Basically - Life is corrupted. Nobody can fix it. Human kill animal = suffering on metaphysical level comes back to manifest in chaotic thoughts later. Fuck this, I could talk all day and all night, yet you couldn't fucking understand that you infact believe that DEAD fuckin God and keep ressurrecting it in yourself as small chance of it. Go to Hell, it is a state of TRUTH. Deny Heavens, it is for hypocrates. And it is a lie therefore. Why? Fuck you, think yourself.
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I understand completely. You think God is dead because humans are an abomination and plague unto this world. I just don't agree with it.
Beliefs are bad, I agree. People will kill for them. From the movie Dogma "People took a good idea, and turned it into a belief system." "The whole of existence is in jeopardy because of a belief."
We're more on the same page than you may think. I just see the world the complete opposite way you do. Duality of the universe at it's finest.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: LRG]
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Cool, peace out.
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Did Evil create god?
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God is first and all.
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God is first and all.
Only that level on consciousness knows and perhaps there are mysteries there as well.
It would be boring to know everything and have no progress. Maybe that's just the human side of me talking. But, I think it's spiritual to progress. Something to recall, something to accomplish, something to mystify.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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I think there are many mysteries and mysteries within them, but the ultimate governing body which we assign the word 'God' to, must surely have been the first. It is, in essence, a product of the definition and so the tidy sentence reflects that. I'm quite sure in 'reality' it is not as simple as the sentence. 
As I've commented previously, I don't suppose in any way that evil is an organic product of God, but a product of the generate of God - the human race made in his image as creator. In this sense, having created the 'son' (mankind) he encompasses all too that the son creates, even though it is not the intended will.
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Evil created God, as in terms of chronology. God is simply a word, they say. Word with lot of Energy bound to it. Yet only a word..humanity uses it. In a meantime it creates chaos. We eat mushrooms, sense something new, mushrooms might describe Godless Universe with logic as reigning scepter of Power (The Faceless - Authoteism Movement III),yet our wordfull mind would have concept of broken God (which never fucking worked as long as I can remember, yet prehuman Era worked good in terms of Peace).
Respect WORD as seperate Soul of mind making our spiritual knowledge anc you will see why is it unwise to donate fuel to corrupted God. Paedophiles exist, where is your excuse, fucking slaves of Duality. Duality is split psyche repairable by TRUTH. Which you ignore.
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Human made God concept. How many people believe in it? How many of them have subconsciousness full of shit? Why? Is it that hard to seek truth in history to see - Humankind is Evil through and through? Why you keep running? Because your conscience feels guilty for sacrificing others. Yet God simply is a parasite - it is entity that hides in humanity,not in plants, animals. Heaven we looked at,heaven we possessed. Eyes do possess. Consciousness is contagious. Unconscious. Collective one.
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
It does. You know it does. We all know it does.
Many people don't believe in the concept of evil.
Evil exists only if we decide that suffering is evil.
The belief that suffering is evil is a type of insanity.
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Creation .. An Establishment of this and that and further along partitions.
Free will .. The ability to choose among this and that.
The dichotomy begins with the first partition of 'creation' that establishes : this | that.
From this dichotomy comes the question of the nature of [this] and [that]. Can there be perfection without wholeness? Can pure good exist in segmented partitions?
Can the totality of an infinite set exist in segments? Can a free-will'd segment ever ultimately chose to be purely good if it does not encompass the full truth or wholeness of good?
Thinking deeply on such matters yields a frame in which the inquiry can be perceived. The answers for which, lie at the limits.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: iiilil]
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The 'gift' of free-will giving rise to one's ability to believe as they choose...
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: yeah]
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God doesnt exist only flying spaghetti monster
proof me wrong
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: yeah]
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implying id object to that
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To answer the op, whatever created existence created all of it possibly. If there is a God I think the story goes that evil didn't want to fall in place and thought they could do a better job. I think the story goes pretty well with reincarnation. We all think we could do better than the enlightened. Have more power or enact a greater positive difference here on earth.
Stories about the human struggle and human spirit struggling don't need super dieties.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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I don't have any emotional problems that prevent me from calling Ultimate Reality GOD. I also don't allow my petty doubting mind prevent me from praying prayers of thanksgiving, intercession, petition, or falling into contemplation. Existence is a dream in the mind of GOD, and we are figments of the Divine Mind. On the other hand, The Ideas or Forms in the Divine Mind are Eternal (even if their manifestations are temporal). Think about it.
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You have a brain and that is what separates us from higher existence. Sure the brain has ways but it can be full of traps. Just about everyone pretends to know whatever higher existence.
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You have a brain and that is what separates us from higher existence. Sure the brain has ways but it can be full of traps. Just about everyone pretends to know whatever higher existence.
Brain ≠ mind. I am both, but mind is derivative of Eternal Mind. Indeed, all existence is the product of Eternal Mind. Essence precedes existence. Aldous Huxley did consider the brain to be a "reducing valve," so in that sense i agree "that is what separates us from higher existence."
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The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it. A lot of people want to keep their brains closed fearing exploring dark reaches. I read today that it's common in the west to fear the unconscious. So most people go about unware of their great impact. I find this 'evil' yet it is the established norm among law abiding citizens. People reason the evil out of their conduct. Dumb it down so everything is ok.
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I don't think of god as some white-bearded man but yes, "god" created evil.
Life is pointless without negativity. If it were all pleasure we'd soon be bored. To be a bored god would be the ultimate hell.
We need to experience pain to know pleasure.....
I could go on with more dumb sayings but point is that I do believe indeed evil/pain/all other negative things were completely of purpose to allow it to experience a broader range of "life".
I really don't believe evil is "bad" at all. I'm actually very thankful for it. We'd have no appreciation for the good things without the bad.
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Sounds like Germany! (back in the day, and all...)
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Re: Did God Create Evil? [Re: Morel Guy] 1
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Morel Guy said: The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it. A lot of people want to keep their brains closed fearing exploring dark reaches. I read today that it's common in the west to fear the unconscious. So most people go about unware of their great impact. I find this 'evil' yet it is the established norm among law abiding citizens. People reason the evil out of their conduct. Dumb it down so everything is ok.
It's best to talk 'software' (the psyche) instead of 'hardware' (the brain). The conscious mind represses unwanted aspects of the psyche (The Shadow) into the unconscious. If one is a good person, The Shadow is comprised of rejected sinister, nefarious, or criminal potentialities. But conversely, criminals are tormented in their dreams by their Shadow characters who are saintly, honest, compassionate. Whatever one's conscious attitude is, The Shadow is comprised of opposite tendencies.
The typical advice is to repress the "evil" as you call it. The religious mentality which denies evil to God, projects evil out of the God-concept onto a Devil (D'evil). That is by itself not a harmful thing. What becomes harmful is when this Devil is then in turn projected onto groups of people: Pagans, women, witches, Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, Blacks, etc. - whatever serves as projection-screens for one's individual or collective fears.
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Penelope_Tree said: Question assumes that evil exists.
Yes, that is the case. I suspect that our language has been tampered with or at least has some interesting clues to the great meanings we can know.
For example the word "evolution" has LOVE as the first 4 letters backwards. The word "evil" starts with "ev" as does "evolution", but then end with "il(l)". The end of evolution is an illness would be the translation using this logic.
That completely works with another perspective that sees God as eternity, the opposite of extinction. All spiritual people agree that God is love.
Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical. The word "diabolical" begins with "dia" and the Greek root of dia (sometimes di) is a prefix meaning through, across, apart, between.
Accordingly, the sickness is between their human, cognitive intelligence, and their unconscious mind which has genetic memory rooted in animism as well as phylogenetic DNA of human genetic memory.
When we allow or demand that psychology learn how to treat the unconscious mind directly, we will find ways to identify the paths between the conscious and unconscious mind that are diabolically working to cause extinction.
I have a thread here that focuses on a harrowing aspect of this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23535823
Our ability to focus with love upon the protection of life could be our only way to defeat the unconscious potentials for controlling us with unseen and unreasoned fears, immobilizing us in time fro taking effective action and leading to our extinction.
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Morel Guy said:
The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it.
It's as impossible to master as the weather.
We enter the gates of Hell when we desire to master it.
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Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical.
When you say "sickness", I assume you mean suffering?
Do you think the "Devil" that Jesus spoke of is outside ourselves, or inside?
This is a huge debate. Most Christians insist that Satan is an outside force.
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Morel Guy said: The brain is an opportunity. It appears impossible to master it.
It's as impossible to master as the weather.
We enter the gates of Hell when we desire to master it.
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ChristopherABrown said:
Sickness absolutely exists, and mental forms of it carried by humans become diabolical.
When you say "sickness", I assume you mean suffering?
Do you think the "Devil" that Jesus spoke of is outside ourselves, or inside?
This is a huge debate. Most Christians insist that Satan is an outside force.
First I would like to address the exchange between you and Morel Guy.
Firstly Morel Guy, is correct it is impossible to master the human brain. But there are 2 cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking and generalizations in his statement that diminish the possibility of what we can do.
To describe the human mind as "the brain" ignores there is a cognitive and unconscious element that interact dynamically. We have at least 2 brains. To use the term "master" implies total control, or something. I don't even think we want that, we certainly do not need it to get the desired effects.
Mostly people need assistance to occupy behavioral patterns that are not problematic. That is a very general statement. But, never the less it covers our need. Human behavior is controlled by the unconscious mind by the most part. The conscious, cognitive mind uses the mores and laws of society to mitigate the unconscious compulsions that most often we give into, but under conditions that are socially acceptable. It is the job of the cognitive mind to figure out how that is done and do it to fulfill it's master, the unconscious, the ID. Even then, by knowing the unconscious in its dimensions, suddenly some becomes far more important in the long term. Patience is learned by the unconscious for the right reasons.
Now, the label. "The devil". Another cognitive distortion.
Jesus, as far as I can tell is probably the most misrepresented human being ever. From what my last post detailed in the entomology of the word "evil", we could surmise that Jesus spoke of "the evil", which as conveniently combined into a label , "the (d)evil". That was then later interpreted according to the design of some special interest as ONLY external. A cognitive distortion if all evidence is reasonably considered.
Jesus was about life and love protecting it. So what I described is that the " evil " is animal instincts defined by our phylogenetic DNA that COMPLETELY lack an understanding an experience of love, a human trait, and instead are empowered by cognitive potentials with no moral or ethical restraints to gratify the animal impulse.
There is a HUGE array of animal instincts which might awaken from our unconscious mind. If we are unaware of this, of the potential and do not see that there is intervention before the associated fascinations and fixations occur, the human becomes corrupted, perverted from their higher human potential and acts against the interests of living things.
However, to say that the (d)evil is only inside is all or nothing thinking. We have dream states that might influence us deeply through one third of our lives, normally and naturally. "The prince of darkness" is an old term. Perhaps far more adequate than an modern concept.
Yes, we've lost that much understanding of our spiritual existence. But really it was taken. We did not relinquish it willingly at any time.
Before it was lost, children were taught to pray with a valid resemblance of a paradigm having structure in a spiritual reality before going to sleep to protect themselves from the "prince of darkness". Obviously, willfully meditating on the intent of a spiritual leader like Jesus. Love.
Consider, one third of the world is always in total darkness. A dream could travel through the collective unconscious mind, learned by individuals who then emerge into a temporal reality where cognitive processes completing biological survival functions are constantly mitigating the instinctual invocations of the previous nights dream with the group they dream with.
Yes, we condition our own into subgroups of dreamers according to animalistic traits that are learned, fixed and dominant.
Now, . . we know about epigenetics. Do we know what these beliefs and prayer did with epigenetics? No, but we can assume within this discussion that the ancients did, only in a different way.
Love is an instinct, the most powerful instinct IF we are to survive and evolve.
The child, by earnestly focusing on love, meditating with what ever understanding they have of it in its role of protecting and enabling our lives to greater fulfillment, truly awakened deep, eternal instincts, DNA, that have power over them instead of whatever information, knowledge, intent, travels in the ebb and flow from us to the collective unconscious during sleep.
This is why the book "The Hundredth Monkey" is so important. It is our rational beginning into a path of understanding ourselves and what life, outside of us is about. It was science discovering spirit. Truly a beautiful thing, quashed with power for the sake of control.
Accordingly, this discussion can only be most fulfilling AFTER we understand a great deal more than we do about our unconscious existence. Escaping dogma, the old word for cognitive distortions, is a real beginning in using what there is in science to tailor and refine our adaptations, thus survival and evolution. Dogma and distortion aside.
Think about love, then live .
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