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mightydafa said:

from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (

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I agree Hilary is scary but I don't know which is worse. I would never vote for Trump the lunatic and I would never vote for Clinton the mercenary.

Did you vote for the neo nazis in Austria?

Do you really think Trump will do good things for Europe???

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no i didn't. my candidate left allready "the race" for president.

we have the final election on sunday. but right now we have juast a candidate for far-left and far-right. two really "extremes"...

it's like "to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea"...


one of them want to strenghten the national sovereignty and "destroy" (or at least get some distance to) the european union in it's current form... but they also a foe of pluralism... the don't like cannabis, the dont like homosexuals, they dont like [insert here what you want]...

for my "livestyle" it would be a disaster...




the other wants to weaken the national sovereignty and give more power to brussel/eu. he's not a friend of direct democracy... their "partner-party" in germand (die grünen) event wanted to forbid "national referendum" for special topics..


it's hard. especialy because VdB is not really a "left socialist more-or-less-communist". he is a hardcore liberal capitalist - but he's good at hiding these things...



but i have to admit, right now i would vote the "neo-nazi" over the "pseudo-communist"... it's because iam not a friend of the european union in it's current form(!) as well...


... in the end i will vote "white"... means i will vote none of them...



as allways: please excuse my bad english...

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no i didn't. my candidate left allready "the race" for president.

we have the final election on sunday. but right now we have juast a candidate for far-left and far-right. two really "extremes"...

it's like "to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea"...


one of them want to strenghten the national sovereignty and "destroy" (or at least get some distance to) the european union in it's current form... but they also a foe of pluralism... the don't like cannabis, the dont like homosexuals, they dont like [insert here what you want]...

for my "livestyle" it would be a disaster...




the other wants to weaken the national sovereignty and give more power to brussel/eu. he's not a friend of direct democracy... their "partner-party" in germand (die grünen) event wanted to forbid "national referendum" for special topics..


it's hard. especialy because VdB is not really a "left socialist more-or-less-communist". he is a hardcore liberal capitalist - but he's good at hiding these things...



but i have to admit, right now i would vote the "neo-nazi" over the "pseudo-communist"... it's because iam not a friend of the european union in it's current form(!) as well...


... in the end i will vote "white"... means i will vote none of them...

as allways: please excuse my bad english...

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no youre english is good, don't worry, only a few minor mistakes

hmm i see your position and it does seem difficult that there isn't really much choice available.

I'm no friend of the EU machine as it is currently either but it is the far right that will benefit from leaving the EU. States will go back to nationalism and these parties are in the best position for that. I think that would be very destructive for Europe as a whole.
Even though I don't like the EU as it is, I am voting in the UK referendum to stay in because when looking at the bigger picture, if we can reform the EU from the inside it could be much better than what it is today. I've been thinking a while on this and my first impression was that the UK should leave but I've come to realise that is unwise.

This made a good point...whether you like Varoufakis or not. (2m 10 onwards)

We are at a time where a divided, crumbling EU is not helpful to any of our countries. Even in relation to the refugee crisis.. we need to work out a plan coordinated across the entire EU for it to be effective.

So youre saying the far-left candidate is actually just more like a liberal capitalist? so they aren't as far-left as they claim?
and the far-right hate cannabis, gays, foreigners etc etc? What do you mean you will vote "white"?
my perspective is there is never a good reason to vote neo-nazi. One day of voting leads to an entire political term of 4/5 years in power.

akira_akuma said:

zappaisgod said:

That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.

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PS: mass immigration into the US from Mexico is contrived by the war on drugs.

the drugs, BTW, will still need to be sold, by cartels. they will tunnel or go around the supposed 'wall-to-be'. the wall addresses a symptom, not the problem.

legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact on the US economy, too, by the by.

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viktor said:

Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal 

Shill status: CONFIRMED

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I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues. 

akira_akuma said:

zappaisgod said:

That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.

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PS: mass immigration into the US from Mexico is contrived by the war on drugs.

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zappaisgod said:

viktor said:

Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal 

Shill status: CONFIRMED

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I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues. 

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The Ecstatic said:

Apparently our favorite airbrushed corndog met with Henry Kissinger today.


But wait I thought Trump was different!

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akira_akuma said:

zappaisgod said:

viktor said:

Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal 

Shill status: CONFIRMED

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I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues. 

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not ignore all other issues, but add the issue of the mass lie and, frankly, conspiracy, making pot illegal, for no reason other than disdain for the black man, back in the day (admitted by one of the original commissioners against marijuana, and in quote by whoever that asshole is, that famous dicksnot who suggested the idea).

in principal, this is a most important issue, because it's something that has effected the nation and the world negatively for decades upon decades, and A: it was always based on a lie and faulty information and B: it never worked to try and stop the use of MJ, and just caused death, destruction, and chaos.

this NEVER should have happened, and thus it should be corrected, because it effects everyone, constantly, on a consistent basis, ruining lives, and it was never a real thing that actually existed as a threat. it was all control of the masses, and propaganda, and government controls on your freedoms. you should care about that, in principal, just like any other wish to tax you for programs that DO NOT WORK.

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Legalize everything.  Stop being a prohibitionist.

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I think you have the causation arrow exactly backward.  The shit economy causes people to abandon legit business and go into more dangerous work.

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That has been my position all along.  But it is really low on my list.

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why didn't you just say so then?

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What endeavor?

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What fresh gibberish is this?

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akira_akuma said:

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Legalize everything.  Stop being a prohibitionist.

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did you hear me before? on the prohibition front, libertarianism, FTW.

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I think you have the causation arrow exactly backward.  The shit economy causes people to abandon legit business and go into more dangerous work.

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one hand feeds the other.

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That has been my position all along.  But it is really low on my list.

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why didn't you just say so then?

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What endeavor?

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the endeavor of economizing pot legally.

i was being rhetorical. you said, it's not massive enough for anyone to care, except potheads might think that it's massive (essentially). and i said, it'll be massive enough to support the endeavor. because why should the endeavor aim to serve to fix all the problems in the economy, when that's fucking unrealistic?

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What fresh gibberish is this?

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secret stuff.

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No.  In fact the drug trade is a net positive for the mexican economy.  It will get worse if we legalize drugs, not better.

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I've been saying it since I've been here.

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More gibberish  This is what it was in reference to

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It will increase tax revenue a little and diminish court costs a little.  In the grand scope of our budget it is a mite on a gnat's ass.  I also suggest you look up the meaning of the word economize.

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what endeavor?

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the endeavor of economizing making economies of pot legally.

i was being rhetorical. you said, it's not massive enough for anyone to care, except potheads might think that it's massive (essentially). and i said, it'll be massive enough to support the endeavor. because why should the endeavor aim to serve to fix all the problems in the economy, when that's fucking unrealistic?

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akira_akuma said:

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No.  In fact the drug trade is a net positive for the mexican economy.  It will get worse if we legalize drugs, not better.

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if drugs are made legal, then Mexico will follow suit, unless they wish to get boned by the endeavor. soon their economy will get a boost because now they have $$$ from the sale and purchase of the legal substances and plants (a big market in Mexico); and the cartels will go apeshit, forcing the government to either get in line with them (again), or move operations to take them out, or reduce their numbers to a palatable degree.

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I've been saying it since I've been here.

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really? all i saw is you telling people they're stupid for putting that as one of their priorities, because it's not important enough to be one, for you....

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That's what I thought.

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Why do you think the US market will buy Mexican when we grow better right here?  The cartels will have to move to other drugs.

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you...i think you can explain yourself...what is the most profitable enterprise, bar none, that you can show me, that will take care of the financial needs of the economy, without the need for smaller enterprise. show me.

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hostileuniverse said:

Pot will save the economy like alcohol did after prohibition ended...?

Are people really this fucking stupid?

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akira_akuma said:

please Zappa, use your giant balls to protect me as i hang on for dear life.

PS: i said it would be a positive, as in a net positive, for the economy, alternateuniverse. as in, less money spent on enforcement and profit gained from sale, ect ect.

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legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact, on the US economy, too, by the by.

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