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Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch!
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.htmlhttp://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.html

I'm so sick of these Trump supporters demanding free lunch.

WTF is wrong with these people? Lunch isn't free!

Don't they know that there is no such thing as a free lunch?

UGH, fucking socialist pigs!!

Free lunch, free lunch, free lunch. Sorry, I needed to say "free lunch" three more times to meet my quota.

Does anybody else love repeating the "no such thing as a free lunch" line over and over again?

I feel like it is the most clever and appropriate response to these people who keep demanding more taxes.

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/08/16 03:39 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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Reserving second comment spot, because lunch isn't free.

Communist pigs.

edit: yadda yadda, free lunch, yadda yadda

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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I dunno. His plan on defaulting on the national debt is brilliant! :rolleyes:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Le_Canard]
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Le_Canard said:
I dunno. His plan on defaulting on the national debt is brilliant! :rolleyes:


Oh yeah.  Pure genius.  He probably just caused a 1% increase in the cost of our debt service with his big fucking mouth.  The man is an idiot.

Ya know you would think the tool had learned after all of his bankruptcies.  Now no serious American bank will lend him money.  Dumb fuck.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/when-donald-trump-needs-a-loan-he-chooses-deutsche-bank-1458379806

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.html

I'm so sick of these Trump supporters demanding free lunch.

WTF is wrong with these people? Lunch isn't free!

Don't they know that there is no such thing as a free lunch?

UGH, fucking socialist pigs!!

Free lunch, free lunch, free lunch. Sorry, I needed to say "free lunch" three more times to meet my quota.

Does anybody else love repeating the "no such thing as a free lunch" line over and over again?

I feel like it is the most clever and appropriate response to these people who keep demanding more taxes.


What "free lunch" are you referring to?  Can you be specific?  Do you mean you think Government shouldn't pay for schools, roads, defense, etc?


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.html

I'm so sick of these Trump supporters demanding free lunch.

WTF is wrong with these people? Lunch isn't free!

Don't they know that there is no such thing as a free lunch?

UGH, fucking socialist pigs!!

Free lunch, free lunch, free lunch. Sorry, I needed to say "free lunch" three more times to meet my quota.

Does anybody else love repeating the "no such thing as a free lunch" line over and over again?

I feel like it is the most clever and appropriate response to these people who keep demanding more taxes.


What "free lunch" are you referring to?  Can you be specific?  Do you mean you think Government shouldn't pay for schools, roads, defense, etc?


No, I absolutely agree that our government should absolutely pay for all those things. 

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like every other person I talk to who supports Trump or any Republican uses that line.
I just can't get over it. It's like they think they shouldn't have to pay for anything ever, because the constitution.
(Yes, I realize that doesn't make any sense.)

It's like "free lunches" are all they ever talk about.

I wonder what talking head is using that line so often that so many people are constantly repeating it?

Basically, my making this thread was just a poor attempt at mocking these people.

I swear, this election season, I have heard at least 20 people say "there is no such thing as a free lunch" in response to about equally as many situations. So silly...

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/09/16 08:33 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
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FlyOnTheWall said:
Reserving second comment spot, because lunch isn't free.

Communist pigs.

edit: yadda yadda, free lunch, yadda yadda



Well Hillary is offering a free lunch.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
No, I absolutely agree that our government should absolutely pay for all those things. 

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like every other person I talk to who supports Trump or any Republican uses that line.
I just can't get over it. It's like they think they shouldn't have to pay for anything ever, because the constitution.
(Yes, I realize that doesn't make any sense.)

It's like "free lunches" are all they ever talk about.

I wonder what talking head is using that line so often that so many people are constantly repeating it?

Basically, my making this thread was just a poor attempt at mocking these people.

I swear, this election season, I have heard at least 20 people say "there is no such thing as a free lunch" in response to about equally as many situations. So silly...


Oh ok, I agree with you then.  I haven't seen you in the political forum before; I guess you've been kind of like a fly on the wall, so I wasn't sure where you were coming from.  :smirk:


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Why not have a president who leads both sides of the country, and not just 1/2?

What an idea

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
No, I absolutely agree that our government should absolutely pay for all those things. 




The government doesn't pay for anything.  It fucks over some and privileges others by confiscation of property.

Trump is not a conservative.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
No, I absolutely agree that our government should absolutely pay for all those things. 




The government doesn't pay for anything.  It fucks over some and privileges others by confiscation of property.

Trump is not a conservative.


I can't disagree with that.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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Whether trump is good or bad he's the only challenging the norm for government corruption...

Can't say whether those challenges are all empty words or real either..

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Also IMHO you can't really trust anybody who's job it is to control others, etc, lead others etc, especially when they have power behind them,....

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Orionancient said:
Also IMHO you can't really trust anybody who's job it is to control others, etc, lead others etc, especially when they have power behind them,....


Someone told me today they refuse to vote for someone corrupt, my only reply was "so you don't vote?"

*drops mic*

*wins the internet*


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said:
Orionancient said:
Also IMHO you can't really trust anybody who's job it is to control others, etc, lead others etc, especially when they have power behind them,....


Someone told me today they refuse to vote for someone corrupt, my only reply was "so you don't vote?"

*drops mic*

*wins the internet*


I still vote, but the fact is the delegates and what not, in the end, they don't legally have to drop a vote for their affiliated parties.... and if someone can be bought for moneyou as is so common with political corruption, what good does any ones votes really do when there is no system of justice, and the delegates are free to walk around and vote for whoever they want to?

Aside from that I still vote, but regardless of who I vote for, I trust no one that I vote for.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Oh yeah.  Pure genius.  He probably just caused a 1% increase in the cost of our debt service with his big fucking mouth.



but think of the ratings.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 2
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Orionancient said:
Whether trump is good or bad he's the only challenging the norm for government corruption...


What are your thoughts on the fact that he has completely reversed his position on not taking big money?

I thought he was self funded? I thought he was the only candidate that didn't need big money? I thought he couldn't be bought?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/14/report-gop-mega-donor-adelson-to-give-trump-up-to-100-million.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/self-funded-donald-trump-preparing-to-seek-big-donor-money/ar-BBt0M38?ocid=sf

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640038/donald-trump-donations-big-money

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
Orionancient said:
Whether trump is good or bad he's the only challenging the norm for government corruption...


What are your thoughts on the fact that he has completely reversed his position on not taking big money?

I thought he was self funded? I thought he was the only candidate that didn't need big money? I thought he couldn't be bought?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/14/report-gop-mega-donor-adelson-to-give-trump-up-to-100-million.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/self-funded-donald-trump-preparing-to-seek-big-donor-money/ar-BBt0M38?ocid=sf

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640038/donald-trump-donations-big-money


Idc. So he does or doesn't take money. Who gives a fuck. He's still the only one challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption that is the norm.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
Orionancient said:
Whether trump is good or bad he's the only challenging the norm for government corruption...


What are your thoughts on the fact that he has completely reversed his position on not taking big money?

I thought he was self funded? I thought he was the only candidate that didn't need big money? I thought he couldn't be bought?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/14/report-gop-mega-donor-adelson-to-give-trump-up-to-100-million.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/self-funded-donald-trump-preparing-to-seek-big-donor-money/ar-BBt0M38?ocid=sf

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640038/donald-trump-donations-big-money


Idc. So he does or doesn't take money. Who gives a fuck. He's still the only one challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption that is the norm.


:thumbup:

Career politicians like Bernie and Hillary have given us a shitty economy and 19trillion in debt, Trump is the only one brave enough to take on the establishment


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
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LOL more parrot squawk. trump challenging the establishment, when he is the establishment, and is bed with Hilary. LOL America, the land of the Superbly Dumb.

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He's still the only one challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption that is the norm.



:laugh2:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"


How is he not?

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 3
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Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"


How is he not?


Just because somebody is willing to make a lot of stupid, inflammatory comments doesn't mean he is actually challenging aspects of governmental corruption.

It's easy to say a bunch of stuff that isn't "PC" and get a bunch of support from idiots.

That doesn't mean he is actually doing anything real or "challenging gov't corruption.

He isn't even funding his campaign on his own anymore like he said he would, and is now accepting donations. So he can be bought just like the other candidates.

How is he doing anything differently than any of the other candidates?

I do not honestly believe voting for Trump is any different from voting for Clinton.

Neither of them care about the common people like you and me. They can't even relate to average people. It has been decades since either of them has been a "normal" person. They can't possibly relate to the people they serve, and they are both useless.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"


How is he not?


Name one way Trump is "challenging governmental corruption".

Just one way.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"


How is he not?


Name one way Trump is "challenging governmental corruption".

Just one way.



Taking a stand against immigration.
Acknowledging publicly on media unlike so many others for calling the government, bernie, Hillary, obama, the dogs that they are.
Doesn't promote violence against opposing parties at campaign events.
Defending 2ND amendment rights and the constitution instead of trying to get rid of them.
Defends freedom of speech, religious freedom.
Wants to avoid ww3. Wants to bring jobs back from overseas. This shit is just Off The Top Of my head. I can come up with more. Oh he is all for capitalism and not that communist socialism crap.

I didn't say he was perfect, but he's not promising dreams with piXi dust like Bernie and not trying to take away guns like Hillary.


Also he's the only candidate who supports traditional gender roles, and understands thst mainstream feminism, is a load of crap.

Edited by Orionancient (05/16/16 06:47 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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Acknowledging publicly on media unlike so many others for calling the government, bernie, Hillary, obama, the dogs that they are.


:laugh2:

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Doesn't promote violence against opposing parties at campaign events.


:laugh2:

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Defending 2ND amendment rights and the constitution instead of trying to get rid of them.


:laugh2:

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Defends freedom of speech, religious freedom.


:laugh2:

keep parroting the roof is on fire.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Quote:
Acknowledging publicly on media unlike so many others for calling the government, bernie, Hillary, obama, the dogs that they are.


:laugh2:

Quote:
Doesn't promote violence against opposing parties at campaign events.


:laugh2:

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Defending 2ND amendment rights and the constitution instead of trying to get rid of them.


:laugh2:

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Defends freedom of speech, religious freedom.


:laugh2:

keep parroting the roof is on fire.




Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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isn't that what we all do? do shit to help us sleep at night? :smile:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 1
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Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
Orionancient said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
LOL @ the idea that Trump is "challenging some aspects of the governmental corruption"


How is he not?


Name one way Trump is "challenging governmental corruption".

Just one way.



Doesn't promote violence against opposing parties at campaign events.



Okay, a little too much bullshit there to sift through at once, so let's start here.

Prove that one of his opponents has promoted violence against his campaign events. Provide links, quotes, anything.

This is obviously a load of shit, and if you actually believe that is true you stupid beyond belief, but I just want to see what you can come up with.

Is offering to pay the legal fees of somebody who attacked a non violent protestor not supporting violence?

Is saying you want people to be punched in the face not promoting violence?

You are an idiot. No, seriously. You are so fucking stupid, it is almost unbelievable. 

Here is the proof that you are an idiot.
Donald Trump might pay legal fees for man who punched and threatened to kill North Carolina protester
Trump on His Supporters Attacking Protesters: ‘That’s What We Need More Of’
Quote:
"We’ve had a couple that were really violent. And the particular one when I said, [I'd] like to bang him. That was — a very vicious — you know, he is a guy who was swinging very loud and then started swinging at the audience. And you know what? The audience swung back. And I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people and the audience hit back. And that’s what we need a little bit more of. Now, I’m not talking about just a protester. This was a guy who was — should not have been allowed to do what he did. And frankly, if you want to know the truth, the police were very, very restrained. The police have been amazing. But the police were very, very restrained.”


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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I don't debate with morons. Politic debates are full of some of the most brainwashed dimwitted arguments and minds. I have no desire to debate with a moron who can copy and paste random shit off the internet.

Also I could honestly give a shit less who is president. In the end, usa will still suck.

Your just words on a screen buddy. Could give a fuck less what you think about me.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient]
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LOLOL you don't debate EVER.

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Also I could honestly give a shit less who is president. In the end, usa will still suck.


so is this you giving up?

i mean, in more ways than one...but...is this you giving up?

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 1
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/mar/10/donald-trump-rally-black-man-sucker-punch-north-carolina-video

Yeah, clearly the protestors were "very vicious".

Do you not understand the concept of proof or facts?

You are supposed to provide me with evidence that supports your argument.

Are you too stupid to understand that?

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/16/16 07:38 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 2
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Okay, after taking a dab, I just want to say that I was being a super harsh asshole in my previous posts.

Not all of Trump's ideas are completely bad, and many of the greatest minds in history didn't thrive in academic environments.

Having said that, I find it annoying when people try to debate without at least trying to support their arguments with facts, and I think much of what you said can easily be proved wrong.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
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it's ok, we all get excited talking about our favorite media punching bags......well...not as much as Orionancient, though.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
LOLOL you don't debate EVER.

Quote:
Also I could honestly give a shit less who is president. In the end, usa will still suck.


so is this you giving up?

i mean, in more ways than one...but...is this you giving up?


It's me giving up talking to a fucking moron who also happens to be a troll, despicable human being psychotic narcissistic asshole.

Do you have a trophy above your bed for your amazing achievements as a total dick on shroomery ?

Do you have people who kiss your feet and ask for your autograph everywhere you go cuz of your omnipotent brilliant ideas?

Did you graduate from havard with a PhD in assholery ?

I bet on all your resumes and applications for Medicaid you put down "largest dick on shroomery"

Out of your 19+ pages of  ratings, why do 60% of them give 0 ?

Holy shit sherlock! What's that orion!? By Joe I've discovered it, this guy's an asshole. If my calculations are correct this guy is the mother of all mentally degrading viruses. By George I'll get the noble prize for sure!

No orion, you wont. Didn't you know this dick already received them all and even ones yet to be created ?


Damn it sherlock, damn it.

:petercide:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 1
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hey, 370 individual ratings and a 4.0 average Shroom rating just can't be wrong.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
hey, 370 individual ratings and a 4.0 average Shroom rating just can't be wrong.



Doesn't mean your not a total dick.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Orionancient] * 1
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i have that on my license plate.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 2
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FlyOnTheWall said:
Orionancient said:
Whether trump is good or bad he's the only challenging the norm for government corruption...


What are your thoughts on the fact that he has completely reversed his position on not taking big money?

I thought he was self funded? I thought he was the only candidate that didn't need big money? I thought he couldn't be bought?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/14/report-gop-mega-donor-adelson-to-give-trump-up-to-100-million.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/self-funded-donald-trump-preparing-to-seek-big-donor-money/ar-BBt0M38?ocid=sf

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11640038/donald-trump-donations-big-money


wow so Adelson is funding Clinton and Trump?! That says a lot.

Bernie is the only choice who is clean from this BS.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
i have that on my license plate.


They let you drive?


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
wow so Adelson is funding Clinton and Trump?! That says a lot.

Bernie is the only choice who is clean from this BS.


It DOES say a lot, actually.  :thumbup:


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Tipote said:
wow so Adelson is funding Clinton and Trump?! That says a lot.

Bernie is the only choice who is clean from this BS.


It DOES say a lot, actually.  :thumbup:


Trump has yet to accept any money from Adelson, but if he does I would have to say my support for him will drop.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: qman]
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Why?


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Most Americans are hesitant about propelling another corporate puppet into the highest office in the world, although im only assuming thats qman's reasoning.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Why?


He fights against medical marijuana.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: qman]
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That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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the US is run by idiots, and then filled with idiots.

can't wait till it rots, maybe it can grow anew.  :rainbowcloud: i mean the glory is there...just gotta get rid of all the idiots.

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akira_akuma said:
the US is run by idiots, and then filled with idiots.

can't wait till it rots, maybe it can grow anew.  :rainbowcloud: i mean the glory is there...just gotta get rid of all the idiots.


Yourself included

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Forestclover]
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:laugh2: K :puppet:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: qman] * 1
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http://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477402982/study-sanders-proposals-would-add-18-trillion-to-debt-over-10-years

Sanders supporters-what say you about this?

I can definitely understand why some people don't like Bernie.

That being said, personally, if the election were tomorrow, I would probably vote for Bernie. Not because of promises about "free college, healthcare, etc." I know he wouldn't be able to get most that stuff done, which is why I'm not too worried about 18 trillion in debt that won't happen.

I would vote for him because our government needs some balance to function and I am afraid of all these batshit crazy right wingers in congress. These people are not making decisions that are based on reality or (IMO) even real conservative values.

And our country does desperately need conservative values to keep progressive spending like the kind that Bernie wants in check. But some of these GOP congressmen are fucking crazy, man. We can't let them have their way all the time, either.

They need a Bernie Sanders or we would probably have goddamn religious police in certain **cough**red**cough** states in no time. I think that is barely even an exaggeration.

Bernie's got some pretty crazy ideas, but at least he is trying to base them on the shared reality that we all live in, and not biblical fantasies.

And Donald Trump? C'mon people. I don't like Hillary. I don't want to vote for Hillary. But Donald Trump? WTF?

He is not a business genius. If you inherit at least $250 million dollars like he did, you don't have to be brilliant turn that into more money. And Trump definitely isn't, as some of his businesses have failed in the past.

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zappaisgod said:
Why?


He fights against medical marijuana.


Yeah, I could never support a candidate that doesn't at least support medical marijuana. Fuck anyone who believes marijuana should be illegal. IMO those types of people are despicable.
People who help put non-violent drug offenders in prison are on the same level as Nazis taking Jews to concentration camps, IMO. If you arrest someone knowing that person could spend the rest of their life in prison for drugs, you are scum.

A person who supports that type of shit is the lowest of the low, IMO..

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/18/16 03:40 AM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
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It always makes me laugh when people say stuff along the lines of - "If people have a problem with marijuana laws where they live, they should just move to another country. If you get arrested it's your own fault."

I wonder if people who think that also believe it was the fault of the Jewish people for getting murdered in Germany.

"The Jews chose to live in Germany in the first place. If they had a problem with being murdered and tortured in concentration camps, they should've just moved out of Germany before they were arrested."

Yeah, makes sense.

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/18/16 04:39 AM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I realize how similar being a pot smoker and being Jewish really are.

Having Jewish parents is not wrong. Neither is smoking marijuana in any public place that people are allowed to smoke tobacco.

Neither of these things in and of themselves is wrong, and neither of these things in and of themselves should lead to a person being locked in a cage or punished.

The idea that losing your freedom because you did either of those things is fucking stupid, and anybody who agrees with that a person should lose their freedom for either of those things is probably a shitty person or an idiot.

It really is as simple as that.



(And it should go without saying that situations like driving under the influence or endangering others while you are intoxicated on any drug, include marijuana, are totally, totally, different. I do agree people need to be regulated there.)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:
It always makes me laugh when people say stuff along the lines of - "If people have a problem with marijuana laws where they live, they should just move to another country. If you get arrested it's your own fault."

I wonder if people who think that also believe it was the fault of the Jewish people for getting murdered in Germany.

"The Jews chose to live in Germany in the first place. If they had a problem with being murdered and tortured in concentration camps, they should've just moved out of Germany before they were arrested."

Yeah, makes sense.


You should come hang out in the Rise of the Far right thread. This argument has been made from time to time about muslims and other immigrant populations and i'm sure i've heard it used somewhere about natives who are deemed "sympathisers". qman says quite frequently that basically muslims should self-deport before they are killed.
"if you don't like it, leave" is the weakest argument coming from people within "democracies"!!

Also I agree that any politican that doesn't support even medical cannabis is not fit for election in this day and age.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: mightydafa]
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mightydafa said:
from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (


I agree Hilary is scary but I don't know which is worse. I would never vote for Trump the lunatic and I would never vote for Clinton the mercenary.

Did you vote for the neo nazis in Austria?

Do you really think Trump will do good things for Europe??? :crazy2:



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Edited by Tipote (05/18/16 05:52 AM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
mightydafa said:
from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (


I agree Hilary is scary but I don't know which is worse. I would never vote for Trump the lunatic and I would never vote for Clinton the mercenary.

Did you vote for the neo nazis in Austria?

Do you really think Trump will do good things for Europe??? :crazy2:



We don't elect presidents to look out for Europe's interests unless they coincide with ours.

Noam Chomsky, LOL.


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zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


Its a non issue if youre not a minority, dont give a fuck about the prison complex (and its implicit racial bias), big pharma's deadly addictive drugs and obscene profit margins, bloated law enforcement and DEA budgets, etc etc.


Marijuana legalization is a litmus test for honesty. If youre against it, youd better have a reason why. And if that reason is "gateway drugs blah blah blah" then its clear youre beholden to the aforementioned special interests.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


Its a non issue if youre not a minority, dont give a fuck about the prison complex (and its implicit racial bias), big pharma's deadly addictive drugs and obscene profit margins, bloated law enforcement and DEA budgets, etc etc.


Marijuana legalization is a litmus test for honesty. If youre against it, youd better have a reason why. And if that reason is "gateway drugs blah blah blah" then its clear youre beholden to the aforementioned special interests.


There are millions and millions of people who think it is bad for you.  I also note that you, as usual, were incapable of following my point.  Let me put it in a nice tidy package for you.

People who think marijuana legislation is a really really important factor in the election of a president are fucking idiots.  They are just as stupid as the people who make abortion their number 1 issue


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


its far from my number one issue but a serious issue for millions, including myself. The point is that the position to be against medical cannabis is retarded considering all the evidence in this day and age. Also its not just about cannabis, its about the policy towards all drugs. Its not just stoners that are affected.

I wonder if you would lose your shit running towards Bernie to make love to him if he wanted to decriminalise heroin.

zappaisgod said:
Tipote said:
mightydafa said:
from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (


I agree Hilary is scary but I don't know which is worse. I would never vote for Trump the lunatic and I would never vote for Clinton the mercenary.

Did you vote for the neo nazis in Austria?

Do you really think Trump will do good things for Europe??? :crazy2:



We don't elect presidents to look out for Europe's interests unless they coincide with ours.


I don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise...

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Noam Chomsky, LOL.


?? What?


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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


Its a non issue if youre not a minority, dont give a fuck about the prison complex (and its implicit racial bias), big pharma's deadly addictive drugs and obscene profit margins, bloated law enforcement and DEA budgets, etc etc.


Marijuana legalization is a litmus test for honesty. If youre against it, youd better have a reason why. And if that reason is "gateway drugs blah blah blah" then its clear youre beholden to the aforementioned special interests.


well said. :thumbup:


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
People who think marijuana legislation is a really really important factor in the election of a president are fucking idiots.  They are just as stupid as the people who make abortion their number 1 issue


Why? It might be the most significant thing they feel affects their life? I agree there are plenty of things that are more important generally speaking to the country but individuals say with cancer, MS, or in prison for cannabis etc are directly affected by its illegality in some very personally significant ways.

You can't decide on the validity of other's reasons for voting one way or another. People vote based on the issues that are important to them.

Do you have a number one issue? nuking muslims?


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.


I was being sarcastic in my reply, I don't like Adelson for a long list of reasons.

http://fortune.com/2016/05/17/sheldon-adelson-implores-republican-jewish-leaders-to-support-trump/

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Tipote said:
zappaisgod said:
People who think marijuana legislation is a really really important factor in the election of a president are fucking idiots.  They are just as stupid as the people who make abortion their number 1 issue


Why? It might be the most significant thing they feel affects their life? I agree there are plenty of things that are more important generally speaking to the country but individuals say with cancer, MS, or in prison for cannabis etc are directly affected by its illegality in some very personally significant ways.

You can't decide on the validity of other's reasons for voting one way or another. People vote based on the issues that are important to them.

Do you have a number one issue? nuking muslims?


I do not have any one single issue except minimizing socialism as much as possible.  And I most certainly can decide the validity of somebody else's voting criteria.  If MJ is their litmus test they are fucking morons.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall] * 1
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FlyOnTheWall said:
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477402982/study-sanders-proposals-would-add-18-trillion-to-debt-over-10-years

Sanders supporters-what say you about this?


Here is what some of what we have to say about that.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477402982/study-sanders-proposals-would-add-18-trillion-to-debt-over-10-years

Sanders supporters-what say you about this?


Here is what some of what we have to say about that.


:lolsy:  Tax everybody but you into oblivion.  What happens when you run out of other people's money? 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/maduro-orders-seizure-of-closed-venezuela-factories-jailing-of-owners/ar-BBt3bLI

Socialism is fascism.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477402982/study-sanders-proposals-would-add-18-trillion-to-debt-over-10-years

Sanders supporters-what say you about this?


Here is what some of what we have to say about that.


:lolsy:  Tax everybody but you into oblivion.  What happens when you run out of other people's money? 





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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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The kleptocrats are the socialists.  In a capitalist society the rich (producers) get powerful.  In a socialist society the powerful (corrupt politicians) get rich.  See Brazil.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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that isn't socialism. that's merely corruption. you can say that it's a natural consequence of socialism, because somehow these people are "allowed to do what they do" (even though that's not the case); well the same can be said for Capitalism, when the kleptocrat corporate cronies also get into positions of power...and they're already getting rich too! but they get more riches because they play politics, all the same, like these "socialist kleptocrats" do. same difference.

but just ignore this facet of HUMANITY and just imagine that these people can't indeed maneuver within a capitalist society just the same.

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zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug.  I for one barely give a fuck what a candidate's stance on the issue is. To make prescription pot, which is still prohibition, a big deal is just fucking stupid.  I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to and never had a problem getting away with it.  It is a fucking non-issue unless you are a vapid stoner retard.  They are no better than any other single issue voter on either side.


it's the principal. people want the evil scum fucks of the world to take back their lies in creating policy that is based on false premises of safety concern.

this happens all the time. people are sick of being lied to and being told that something will kill you so we have to go kill it first, even though "it" is just a snivelling puppy.

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There are millions and millions of people who think it is bad for you.


bandwagon fallacy.

:facepalm: those millions of people are idiots who don't know shit, and whom also want to restrict people freedoms. alcohol is very dangerous. why isn't it prohibited?

answer please.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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I'd rather the rich get taxed into oblivion than live in a country where people can be arrested for smoking marijuana.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
it's the principal. people want the evil scum fucks of the world to take back their lies in creating policy that is based on false premises of safety concern.

this happens all the time. people are sick of being lied to and being told that something will kill you so we have to go kill it first, even though "it" is just a snivelling puppy.

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There are millions and millions of people who think it is bad for you.


bandwagon fallacy.

:facepalm: those millions of people are idiots who don't know shit, and whom also want to restrict people freedoms. alcohol is very dangerous. why isn't it prohibited?

answer please.


Yup. There is absolutely no reason simple possession of marijuana should be illegal.

Anyone who thinks that is justified is an idiot, and their opinion is worthless.

The sooner every person who thinks that is dead, the sooner the world will be a better place.

I hope I live to see the day.

(Looking at these stats, if I quit smoking, I actually might live to see that day.)

Edited by FlyOnTheWall (05/18/16 02:58 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
It is very disheartening to see so many people making their number issue a stupid wimpy ass drug. 


LOL @ the idea that people can be locked in cages for possessing a plant is just a non issue.

Fuck freedom! Why don't we just let the Chinese take over the US, right?

There is no problem with arbitrary, idiotic laws, right?

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
zappaisgod said:
What happens when you run out of other people's money?





:toast:


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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there is no such thing as capitalism once everything is owned; then it is, by definition, a controlled "economy". so let's not starting killing people because they are poor, K, guys?

it's funny that people say that really "people are the problem" when it comes to socialism or capitalism's faults in function -- people's laziness and corruption.

then why do we want to take the option that takes people out of the equation, if the scenario thus is true? if this is inescapable corruption and collapse due to human nature, then what are we opting for exactly?

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Here is what some of what we have to say about that.


:lolsy:  Tax everybody but you into oblivion.


Did you even read the link?  One way to raise money for Bernie's plan is with a 35% effective tax rate on the 95th to 99th percentile.  That's nowhere near oblivion.  :picard:

By the way, I'm in that bracket, so you're "tax everybody but you" comment is more nonsense.


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Quote:
Zap said:

Socialism is fascism




Just remember this moment when he tries to discredit someone else.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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i have to say: i'm starting see that Donald Frump (i'm sorry i just like making fun of his name, you can only say Trump so many times without wanting to shoot yourself) is a bit of a game-player with the financial aspects of diplomacy. he seems to be able to play short-games pretty well to his advantage.

can he play the long-game though without posing a threat to political spectrum that he (and his constituents) would wish to play out? without turning it into a zero-sum game?

Edited by akira_akuma (05/18/16 09:02 PM)

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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zappaisgod said:
That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.


PS: mass immigration into the US from Mexico is contrived by the war on drugs.

the drugs, BTW, will still need to be sold, by cartels. they will tunnel or go around the supposed 'wall-to-be'. the wall addresses a symptom, not the problem.

legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact on the US economy, too, by the by.

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Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal  :awkward:

Shill status: CONFIRMED


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said:
mightydafa said:
from my point of view ( as an austrian ) i hope trump will be elected.

hillary is scary... she want to sacrifice our continent... (


I agree Hilary is scary but I don't know which is worse. I would never vote for Trump the lunatic and I would never vote for Clinton the mercenary.

Did you vote for the neo nazis in Austria?

Do you really think Trump will do good things for Europe??? :crazy2:





no i didn't. my candidate left allready "the race" for president.

we have the final election on sunday. but right now we have juast a candidate for far-left and far-right. two really "extremes"...

it's like "to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea"...


one of them want to strenghten the national sovereignty and "destroy" (or at least get some distance to) the european union in it's current form... but they also a foe of pluralism... the don't like cannabis, the dont like homosexuals, they dont like [insert here what you want]...

for my "livestyle" it would be a disaster...




the other wants to weaken the national sovereignty and give more power to brussel/eu. he's not a friend of direct democracy... their "partner-party" in germand (die grünen) event wanted to forbid "national referendum" for special topics..


it's hard. especialy because VdB is not really a "left socialist more-or-less-communist". he is a hardcore liberal capitalist - but he's good at hiding these things...



but i have to admit, right now i would vote the "neo-nazi" over the "pseudo-communist"... it's because iam not a friend of the european union in it's current form(!) as well...


... in the end i will vote "white"... means i will vote none of them...



as allways: please excuse my bad english... :wink:

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: mightydafa]
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mightydafa said:
no i didn't. my candidate left allready "the race" for president.

we have the final election on sunday. but right now we have juast a candidate for far-left and far-right. two really "extremes"...

it's like "to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea"...


one of them want to strenghten the national sovereignty and "destroy" (or at least get some distance to) the european union in it's current form... but they also a foe of pluralism... the don't like cannabis, the dont like homosexuals, they dont like [insert here what you want]...

for my "livestyle" it would be a disaster...




the other wants to weaken the national sovereignty and give more power to brussel/eu. he's not a friend of direct democracy... their "partner-party" in germand (die grünen) event wanted to forbid "national referendum" for special topics..


it's hard. especialy because VdB is not really a "left socialist more-or-less-communist". he is a hardcore liberal capitalist - but he's good at hiding these things...



but i have to admit, right now i would vote the "neo-nazi" over the "pseudo-communist"... it's because iam not a friend of the european union in it's current form(!) as well...


... in the end i will vote "white"... means i will vote none of them...

as allways: please excuse my bad english... :wink:


no youre english is good, don't worry, only a few minor mistakes :thumbup:

hmm i see your position and it does seem difficult that there isn't really much choice available.

I'm no friend of the EU machine as it is currently either but it is the far right that will benefit from leaving the EU. States will go back to nationalism and these parties are in the best position for that. I think that would be very destructive for Europe as a whole.
Even though I don't like the EU as it is, I am voting in the UK referendum to stay in because when looking at the bigger picture, if we can reform the EU from the inside it could be much better than what it is today. I've been thinking a while on this and my first impression was that the UK should leave but I've come to realise that is unwise.

This made a good point...whether you like Varoufakis or not. (2m 10 onwards)


We are at a time where a divided, crumbling EU is not helpful to any of our countries. Even in relation to the refugee crisis.. we need to work out a plan coordinated across the entire EU for it to be effective.

So youre saying the far-left candidate is actually just more like a liberal capitalist? so they aren't as far-left as they claim?
and the far-right hate cannabis, gays, foreigners etc etc? What do you mean you will vote "white"?
my perspective is there is never a good reason to vote neo-nazi. One day of voting leads to an entire political term of 4/5 years in power.


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akira_akuma said:
zappaisgod said:
That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.


PS: mass immigration into the US from Mexico is contrived by the war on drugs.

the drugs, BTW, will still need to be sold, by cartels. they will tunnel or go around the supposed 'wall-to-be'. the wall addresses a symptom, not the problem.

legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact on the US economy, too, by the by.


excellent point.

Zappa just characterises things as a bunch of stoners who just want weed legal

-not only is the black market aspect significant..
-but the health element - if you had a health condition that made your life hard without medical cannabis (MS, Cancer etc), its understandable for that to be on your election priority list.. plus issues around mental health issues will have more discussion and funding.. it affects other attitudes towards other drugs and other treatments too. Portugal has had huge successes from it and its now defended by left and right. America certainly has a problem with other drugs besides cannabis...
-and the fiscal element - the tax revenue
-the civil rights aspect
etc

Zappas priority sounds a lot weaker than that. "minimising socialism" is a shit and irrelevant priority...but coming from someone that was probably brought up conditioned by the red scare, its somewhat understandable.

akira_akuma said:
i have to say: i'm starting see that Donald Frump (i'm sorry i just like making fun of his name, you can only say Trump so many times without wanting to shoot yourself)


Wish that was his name. Apparently his family name before it was changed to Trump was Drumpf.


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well, the German scare, you know, didn't want to get involved. lol

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viktor said:
Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal  :awkward:

Shill status: CONFIRMED


I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues.  :flowstone:


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akira_akuma said:
zappaisgod said:
That is so far down my give a shit list sperm whales hunt it.


PS: mass immigration into the US from Mexico is contrived by the war on drugs.


No it isn't.  It isdriven by the shit economic conditions in Mexico
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the drugs, BTW, will still need to be sold, by cartels. they will tunnel or go around the supposed 'wall-to-be'. the wall addresses a symptom, not the problem.


If it is legal the cartels will find some other illegal product to sell.  No net change
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legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact on the US economy, too, by the by.


It would have a positive impact but only potheads would think it would be massive.


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Apparently our favorite airbrushed corndog met with Henry Kissinger today.


But wait I thought Trump was different!


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zappaisgod said:
viktor said:
Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal  :awkward:

Shill status: CONFIRMED


I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues.  :flowstone:


not ignore all other issues, but add the issue of the mass lie and, frankly, conspiracy, making pot illegal, for no reason other than disdain for the black man, back in the day (admitted by one of the original commissioners against marijuana, and in quote by whoever that asshole is, that famous dicksnot who suggested the idea).

in principal, this is a most important issue, because it's something that has effected the nation and the world negatively for decades upon decades, and A: it was always based on a lie and faulty information and B: it never worked to try and stop the use of MJ, and just caused death, destruction, and chaos.

this NEVER should have happened, and thus it should be corrected, because it effects everyone, constantly, on a consistent basis, ruining lives, and it was never a real thing that actually existed as a threat. it was all control of the masses, and propaganda, and government controls on your freedoms. you should care about that, in principal, just like any other wish to tax you for programs that DO NOT WORK.

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No it isn't.  It is driven by the shit economic conditions in Mexico


which is exacerbated immensely by the drug war.

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If it is legal the cartels will find some other illegal product to sell.  No net change


crime goes down, violence decreases. legalize all drugs, too; and make it so that you need to either A: have a valid license or ID to purchase, or B: need to commit robbery, for those criminal out there who still want act like an idiot -- then all crime rates go down, further. the cartel struggles then to sell research chemicals, let alone anything else. libertarianism, in this case, for the win.

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It would have a positive impact but only potheads would think it would be massive.


it'd be big enough to support the endeavor...just like any other fucking endeavor.

you...i think you can explain yourself...what is the most profitable enterprise, bar none, that you can show me, that will take care of the financial needs of the economy, without the need for smaller enterprise. show me.

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The Ecstatic said:
Apparently our favorite airbrushed corndog met with Henry Kissinger today.


But wait I thought Trump was different!


He is different.  How does this indicate that he isn't?


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akira_akuma said:
zappaisgod said:
viktor said:
Zappa on the shroomery arguing that cannabis prohibition is no big deal  :awkward:

Shill status: CONFIRMED


I think there are far more important things than that.  And I smoked all the pot I ever wanted to as it was.  As have almost all of you.  But for that the dopes would ignore all other issues.  :flowstone:


not ignore all other issues, but add the issue of the mass lie and, frankly, conspiracy, making pot illegal, for no reason other than disdain for the black man, back in the day (admitted by one of the original commissioners against marijuana, and in quote by whoever that asshole is, that famous dicksnot who suggested the idea).

in principal, this is a most important issue, because it's something that has effected the nation and the world negatively for decades upon decades, and A: it was always based on a lie and faulty information and B: it never worked to try and stop the use of MJ, and just caused death, destruction, and chaos.

this NEVER should have happened, and thus it should be corrected, because it effects everyone, constantly, on a consistent basis, ruining lives, and it was never a real thing that actually existed as a threat. it was all control of the masses, and propaganda, and government controls on your freedoms. you should care about that, in principal, just like any other wish to tax you for programs that DO NOT WORK.


Legalize everything.  Stop being a prohibitionist.
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No it isn't.  It is driven by the shit economic conditions in Mexico


which is exacerbated immensely by the drug war.


I think you have the causation arrow exactly backward.  The shit economy causes people to abandon legit business and go into more dangerous work.
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If it is legal the cartels will find some other illegal product to sell.  No net change


crime goes down, violence decreases. legalize all drugs, too; and make it so that you need to either A: have a valid license or ID to purchase, or B: need to commit robbery, for those criminal out there who still want act like an idiot -- then all crime rates go down, further. the cartel struggles then to sell research chemicals, let alone anything else. libertarianism, in this case, for the win.


That has been my position all along.  But it is really low on my list.
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It would have a positive impact but only potheads would think it would be massive.


it'd be big enough to support the endeavor...just like any other fucking endeavor.


What endeavor?
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you...i think you can explain yourself...what is the most profitable enterprise, bar none, that you can show me, that will take care of the financial needs of the economy, without the need for smaller enterprise. show me.


What fresh gibberish is this?


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Legalize everything.  Stop being a prohibitionist.


did you hear me before? on the prohibition front, libertarianism, FTW.

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I think you have the causation arrow exactly backward.  The shit economy causes people to abandon legit business and go into more dangerous work.


one hand feeds the other.

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That has been my position all along.  But it is really low on my list.


why didn't you just say so then? :smirk:

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What endeavor?


the endeavor of economizing pot legally.

i was being rhetorical. you said, it's not massive enough for anyone to care, except potheads might think that it's massive (essentially). and i said, it'll be massive enough to support the endeavor. because why should the endeavor aim to serve to fix all the problems in the economy, when that's fucking unrealistic?

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What fresh gibberish is this?


secret stuff.

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akira_akuma said:
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Legalize everything.  Stop being a prohibitionist.


did you hear me before? on the prohibition front, libertarianism, FTW.

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I think you have the causation arrow exactly backward.  The shit economy causes people to abandon legit business and go into more dangerous work.


one hand feeds the other.


No.  In fact the drug trade is a net positive for the mexican economy.  It will get worse if we legalize drugs, not better.
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That has been my position all along.  But it is really low on my list.


why didn't you just say so then? :smirk:


I've been saying it since I've been here.
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What endeavor?


the endeavor of economizing pot legally.

i was being rhetorical. you said, it's not massive enough for anyone to care, except potheads might think that it's massive (essentially). and i said, it'll be massive enough to support the endeavor. because why should the endeavor aim to serve to fix all the problems in the economy, when that's fucking unrealistic?


More gibberish  This is what it was in reference to 
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legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact on the US economy, too, by the by.


It will increase tax revenue a little and diminish court costs a little.  In the grand scope of our budget it is a mite on a gnat's ass.  I also suggest you look up the meaning of the word economize.
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What fresh gibberish is this?


secret stuff.


That's what I thought.


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No.  In fact the drug trade is a net positive for the mexican economy.  It will get worse if we legalize drugs, not better.


if drugs are made legal, then Mexico will follow suit, unless they wish to get boned by the endeavor. soon their economy will get a boost because now they have $$$ from the sale and purchase of the legal substances and plants (a big market in Mexico); and the cartels will go apeshit, forcing the government to either get in line with them (again), or move operations to take them out, or reduce their numbers to a palatable degree.

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I've been saying it since I've been here.


really? all i saw is you telling people they're stupid for putting that as one of their priorities, because it's not important enough to be one, for you....

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More gibberish  This is what it was in reference to


not really. not gibberish. it was a direct response...in fact, wait...let me just....

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It will increase tax revenue a little and diminish court costs a little.  In the grand scope of our budget it is a mite on a gnat's ass.  I also suggest you look up the meaning of the word economize.


A: economize was the easiest word to use -- i'll take your advice into consideration.

and B:
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what endeavor?


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the endeavor of economizing making economies of pot legally.

i was being rhetorical. you said, it's not massive enough for anyone to care, except potheads might think that it's massive (essentially). and i said, it'll be massive enough to support the endeavor. because why should the endeavor aim to serve to fix all the problems in the economy, when that's fucking unrealistic?


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akira_akuma said:
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No.  In fact the drug trade is a net positive for the mexican economy.  It will get worse if we legalize drugs, not better.


if drugs are made legal, then Mexico will follow suit, unless they wish to get boned by the endeavor. soon their economy will get a boost because now they have $$$ from the sale and purchase of the legal substances and plants (a big market in Mexico); and the cartels will go apeshit, forcing the government to either get in line with them (again), or move operations to take them out, or reduce their numbers to a palatable degree.

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I've been saying it since I've been here.


really? all i saw is you telling people they're stupid for putting that as one of their priorities, because it's not important enough to be one, for you....


Why do you think the US market will buy Mexican when we grow better right here?  The cartels will have to move to other drugs.


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let me at least let me finish my spiel....
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That's what I thought.


:suckit:

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Why do you think the US market will buy Mexican when we grow better right here?  The cartels will have to move to other drugs.


the Mexicans will buy Mexican. the cartels will have to economize, and they will eventually lose numbers and fall out of power. the rest can be swept up by the, assumed, good guys in the Mexican government.

PS:

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you...i think you can explain yourself...what is the most profitable enterprise, bar none, that you can show me, that will take care of the financial needs of the economy, without the need for smaller enterprise. show me.


care to show me an explanation?^

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Pot will save the economy like alcohol did after prohibition ended...?

Are people really this fucking stupid?:shrug:


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hostileuniverse said:
Pot will save the economy like alcohol did after prohibition ended...?

Are people really this fucking stupid?:shrug:


You should change your username to alternateuniverse


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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:canthelpbutlaugh:

please Zappa, use your giant balls to protect me as i hang on for dear life.

PS: i said it would be a positive, as in a net positive, for the economy, alternateuniverse. as in, less money spent on enforcement and profit gained from sale, ect ect.

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akira_akuma said:
:canthelpbutlaugh:

please Zappa, use your giant balls to protect me as i hang on for dear life.

PS: i said it would be a positive, as in a net positive, for the economy, alternateuniverse. as in, less money spent on enforcement and profit gained from sale, ect ect.


I believe you said it would be a massive one.  I think not.


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i was missing a comma.

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legalizing weed, would already be a massive positive impact, on the US economy, too, by the by.


there. fixed. it'd be a massive positive impact [for the US], and on the US economy.

how massively it impacts the economy is up for debate, but the positive aspects of said impact are massive; strictly as a matter of decriminalizing weed, the net positives are massive.

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Doubtful, No one is in prison for simple possession of marijuana, that simply doesn't happen. Unless we legalize all drugs, the impact on law enforcement and prosecutions will be neglible.

As for the economy, most daily users of MJ already have jobs and work, legalizing it won't incentivize them to work anymore


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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who said anything about incentives to work from weed purchasing power?

LOL

U.S. Prison Population As Of Jan. 25, 2014

98,554 inmates in for drug offences & that's 27% that are in for Marijuana possession -- from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/war-on-drugs-prisons-infographic_n_4914884.html

but here is tabulation from 2014 in the "FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1970-2014", from Drugwarfacts:
you've got "Total Arrests" -- "Manufacturing and Sales Total Arrests" -- "Possession, Total Arrests"

44.9% -- 5.2% -- 39.7%

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Marijuana#Share


PS: arrests costs $$$, just as imprisonment.

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The cost is a real cost and I agree it should be decrimilized, I'm saying, and I stand by it, no one is in prison for simple possession. Possession of pounds is not simple possession, would you prefer they be prosecuted for tax evasion? It would cost a lot more to prosecute and the charge would be federal


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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how are you gonna tax an illegal substance?

LOL

PS: simple possession is not what we are talking about; and remember, "arrests costs $$$, just as imprisonment."

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akira_akuma said:
how are you gonna tax an illegal substance?

LOL

PS: simple possession is not what we are talking about; and remember, "arrests costs $$$, just as imprisonment."


You're dense, drug dealers make tax free money, duh

And yes, I was talking about simple possession


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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:laugh2: that's not tax evasion. where are you going to evade or defeat a non-existent tax?

what you're trying to define is "Sale of illegal..." and insert your substance categorization.

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And yes, I was talking about simple possession



yeahhh, but not what i was talking about.

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They couldn't get Al Capone on anything but tax evasion.  And get him they did.  The IRS tax return does not ask how you made your money.  It just asks how much.


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yeah, and he literally evaded taxes. he had to pay the government  "$215,000 plus interest due on back taxes". how the fuck are you stooping to alternate's level?

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akira_akuma said:
yeah, and he literally evaded taxes. he had to pay the government  "$215,000 plus interest due on back taxes". how the fuck are you stooping to alternate's level?


He went to jail.  The sentence was 11 years but he served only 7 before the syph rotted his brain.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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great.

and?

and what is he evading the taxes of, then? fertilizer?
when it comes to booze, the ferments? or was he just buying booze illegally and selling it? well, he'd be illegally selling booze anyway, during prohibition.

either way...that might have to do with tax evasion. but how is selling pot tax evasion? it would be if pot was taxed, but it's not.

and selling pounds, sure, that might be income tax evasion, but how do you prove who the recipient is? (perhaps with Capone, the money trail led back to him, which i suppose could be a considerable notion towards why he was caught and charged as such).
Al Capone was charged because he was selling illegal spirits, which is taxable. pot isn't. it's strictly illegal. (i'd like to see where it's proviso or clause is in the tax code. or where this statute is in the criminal code that justifies the charge of tax evasion with the crime of small possession.)
pot isn't taxed, so selling amounts that would "condone" a small possession charge, would be below the amount of income received in any taxable bracket of income.

i just don't see how you can trace small possession crime to taxable income. if you're a big time seller, then yeah...sure.

but not small fish.

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That's the problem with discussing things with clueless ping pong balls, they seriously have absolutely no grasp on anything and everything is a "square one" discussion, I guess we shouldn't expect anymore from a drug forum...


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akira_akuma said:
great.

and?

and what is he evading the taxes of, then? fertilizer?
when it comes to booze, the ferments? or was he just buying booze illegally and selling it? well, he'd be illegally selling booze anyway, during prohibition.

either way...that might have to do with tax evasion. but how is selling pot tax evasion? it would be if pot was taxed, but it's not.

and selling pounds, sure, that might be income tax evasion, but how do you prove who the recipient is? (perhaps with Capone, the money trail led back to him, which i suppose could be a considerable notion towards why he was caught and charged as such).
Al Capone was charged because he was selling illegal spirits, which is taxable. pot isn't. it's strictly illegal. (i'd like to see where it's proviso or clause is in the tax code. or where this statute is in the criminal code that justifies the charge of tax evasion with the crime of small possession.)
pot isn't taxed, so selling amounts that would "condone" a small possession charge, would be below the amount of income received in any taxable bracket of income.

i just don't see how you can trace small possession crime to taxable income. if you're a big time seller, then yeah...sure.

but not small fish.


No, spirits weren't taxable because they were illegal.  He got nailed for evading income taxes.


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thanks for proving my point.

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akira_akuma said:
thanks for proving my point.


Do you not know that liquor taxes and income taxes are separate things?


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goddamn it, i'm asking how POT is taxed, to alternateuniverse -- and now to you.

how is pot a taxable commodity if it's illegal? you can tell alternate too.

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zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
thanks for proving my point.


Do you not know that liquor taxes and income taxes are separate things?


He's completely clueless, he doesnt understand the difference between income taxes and commodity taxes, sales taxes or any other tax, apparently...


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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nice, a brand new idiotic presumption from the Parrot of Alcatraz.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

show me the law you're specifically talking about POA, in regards to tax evasion. or pot tax. show me.

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What are you talking about?  The IRS does not care where you get your income from when you file your tax return.  They just care that you report all of it and pay the taxes on it.  They don't even ask where you got it from.


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:flowstone: but how does that make Pot taxable?

oh right. it doesn't. case closed.

akira_akuma said:
how are you gonna tax an illegal substance?

LOL



akira_akuma said:
oh right. case closed.



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akira_akuma said:
:flowstone: but how does that make Pot taxable?

oh right. it doesn't. case closed.

akira_akuma said:
how are you gonna tax an illegal substance?

LOL



akira_akuma said:
oh right. case closed.




You are as slow as molasses in the Arctic.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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care to show me how to tax an illegal substance that isn't sold on the open market in the US?

zappaisgod said:
No, spirits weren't taxable because they were illegal. 


oh rly? :horly:

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hostileuniverse said:
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
thanks for proving my point.


Do you not know that liquor taxes and income taxes are separate things?


He's completely clueless, he doesnt understand the difference between income taxes and commodity taxes, sales taxes or any other tax, apparently...


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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how is illegal Marijuana a taxable commodity by the state? explain.

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It isn't.


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thank you.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
It isn't.


But income from an illegal enterprise is,

It's baffling he's too fucking stupid to understand that


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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it's baffling how you think i said anything like that at all.

akira_akuma said:
how are you gonna tax an illegal substance?

LOL

PS: simple possession is not what we are talking about; and remember, "arrests costs $$$, just as imprisonment."


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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It's baffling how it took 3 pages to get you to understand it


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: hostileuniverse]
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it's baffling how you still don't understand you can't tax an ounce of Marijauna.

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hostileuniverse said:
zappaisgod said:
It isn't.


But income from an illegal enterprise is,

Yes it is.  As I have stated more than a few times the IRS does not ask where you got your money from.  All they care about is that you tell them all of it and pay the taxes on it.


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akira_akuma said:
it's baffling how you still don't understand you can't tax an ounce of Marijauna.


Quote for me where I suggested you could, I'll wait


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
it's baffling how you still don't understand you can't tax an ounce of Marijauna.


They can tax the profit you make on the sale of it.


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zappaisgod said:
hostileuniverse said:
zappaisgod said:
It isn't.


But income from an illegal enterprise is,

Yes it is.  As I have stated more than a few times the IRS does not ask where you got your money from.  All they care about is that you tell them all of it and pay the taxes on it.


Yeah that was directed at shakira, trying to get him to understand income is taxable, regardless of where it comes from, so far been unsuccessful


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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hostileuniverse said:
zappaisgod said:
hostileuniverse said:
zappaisgod said:
It isn't.


But income from an illegal enterprise is,

Yes it is.  As I have stated more than a few times the IRS does not ask where you got your money from.  All they care about is that you tell them all of it and pay the taxes on it.


Yeah that was directed at shakira, trying to get him to understand income is taxable, regardless of where it comes from, so far been unsuccessful


akira_akuma said:
how is selling pot tax evasion? it would be if pot was taxed, but it's not.

and selling pounds, sure, that might be income tax evasion
i just don't see how you can trace small possession crime to taxable income. if you're a big time seller, then yeah...sure.

but not small fish.


ie, a small bit of pot is not fungible.

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akira_akuma said:
ie, a small bit of pot is not fungible.


Neither is a tractor trailer load.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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gotta have papers to find to make tax claims.

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zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
it's baffling how you still don't understand you can't tax an ounce of Marijauna.


They can tax the profit you make on the sale of it.


there is a certain bracket of profit that gets taxed. an ounce does not fall within that bracket.

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: akira_akuma]
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If that is your entire income for the year you are right.  You are also a pitiful loser.


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
If that is your entire income for the year you are right.  You are also a pitiful loser.


The dealer who only sells an ounce a year has certainly failed at life


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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
If that is your entire income for the year you are right.  You are also a pitiful loser.


the argument has been settled. thanks for yielding.

PS: conservatism!

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It's obvious that the real problem with America today is this sense of entitlement that I project on everyone who isn't as rich as me. The rich being too greedy is never, ever the problem

...said no intelligent person ever

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Re: Dear Trump supporters - There is no such thing as a free lunch! [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
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FlyOnTheWall said:


It's obvious that the real problem with America today is this sense of entitlement that I project on everyone who isn't as rich as me. The rich being too greedy is never, ever the problem

...said no intelligent person ever


The rich are always greedy, that's why they changed the supply and demand equation of the labor market.  Outsourcing jobs and bringing in illegals results in higher profit margins, change those polices and wages go higher for US citizens.

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