Kinko said:

i saw one of them cut a tree down with a chainsaw in each hand , without a harnest or any safety equipment ... Some of the other hispanics were from guatemala and el salvador . the big hondurans would stay sober during work hours but get smashed at the end of the day.  My crew was the "drug crew" some guys just smoked crack in the trees , a 12 pack before the first job was not unheard of , weed smoke filled the truck ( only white boy in crew was a pothead but one if not the best climbers of them all) fucked up and the day was only beginning.  Climbing trees without safety equipment is scary enough , now imagen doing that after smoking a fatty and drinking a brew.    The drugs never interfere with the work , we got the job done and noone ever got hurt ( while on drugs that is)

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Is this a repost? I could have sworn I read this somewhere on here before.

zappaisgod said:

Right.  Little twelve year old is a free thinker who invented the wheel and somebody who has absorbed all sides for 50 years is a victim of propaganda

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kr0nik0 said:

You're a big reason of what's currently wrong in America, OP.

My poor mother paid so much money to immigration lawyers, the INS, as well as more money towards visas, work visas, and eventually so did I so we could go through all the proper channels for us to eventually become legitimate, American citizens in the early 00's. We never spent one day illegally in this country and I'm damn proud of that because it's a lot more than 99% of other immigrants can say. You taking your fucking shortcuts to work here is pretty much stealing directly from me and this country. You get it?

You don't have the right to ask why people here might not have a job (which isn't my case). You're the reason that it was so damn hard for me and my family to enjoy what this country has to offer. Of course the government doesn't trust the majority of immigrants. Because of your "technically legal" bullshit.

Fuck that! I rarely ever get mad on these boards but this is a subject that is very close to my heart. I wouldn't feel any guilt whatsoever if someone called the INS on you and deported your ass so you'd stop stealing from MY and other Americans' pockets.

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zappaisgod said:

qman said:

zZZz said:

qman said:

Really?  Pissing away tax money on people that don't belong in the US is a good investment?  Who do you think pays for their health care, education, social services and criminal justice expenses?  It's not them.

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that money gets pissed back into the economy tho, everyone wins, it's just not directed at anyone in particular.

they pay for all those services, try to live with those services without a job, unless u're just a kid, it aint gonna happen anytime soon pancho

and for the last time, everyone pays taxes, everyone is fucked unless u're like filthy rich pretty much, get used to it folks, u should have been by now already.

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"everyone wins"

Nope, not the US worker, do you understand the basic concept of demand and supply?  US wages are stuck in the mud for decades now and illegals are one of the mains reasons for that fact.

"they pay for all of those services"

Nope, they cost over 8 times more in tax revenue than they contribute, that's called being a burden. 

"that money gets pissed back into the economy"

The profits from cheap wages?  So what?  That's the worse economic argument I have ever heard, try again.

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You are entirely correct that about this.  What he fails to understand is that the American citizens who would otherwise get these jobs are now welfare cases. How much in taxes are they paying?

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rxb said:

so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.

and im the one spewing nonsense?

please go maths

nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"

like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"

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Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"?  I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.

This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect?  Hitting too close to home?

I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.

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Deportng all the illegals would probably put the US into an economic depression. There would absolutely be very serious food shortages and devastating inflation.

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What fucking nonsense.  Farm worker wages would rise to be enough to attract employees who are otherwise standing on the street corner sucking dick and collecting welfare.  Maid service wages would rise as would construction wages.  It would almost eliminate the underground tax economy.  There are over 10 million.  Out damned spot, out.

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It's not nonsense. It pretty simple economics, which is most likely why you don't believe it. Modern conservatism clings to these utopian economic theories that simply don't pan out. You have to face reality at some point, you want to kick the brown people and you just can't believe that they are actually an integral part of the economy.

You can't remove millions of people from the labor force without causing major inflation. Even small changes in the cost of food production would be disastrous. And even after labor costs spike, there still will be huge shortages - the fact is that some if these unfilled jobs do not get filled even when pay is raised aggressively. There really are jobs that Americans won't do. We know this because it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

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"You can't remove millions of people from the labor force without causing major inflation"

Bullshit, when you already an excess pool of labor, you can boot out the cheap illegal workers and then watch wages of all US workers GO higher, that's not bad inflation. 

"there will be huge shortages"

Instead of just making nonsense up at the spur of the moment, prove it!!  Shortages of food?  Total nonsense. Offer a decent wage and a US worker will take the job, if that squeezes profit margins so be it, it's NOT going to cause heavy food inflation. 

I thought you wanted higher wages for workers?  The first instant wages could go higher, you call for economic disaster!!!  You really don't know much about basic economics, I'm sorry but it's the truth.

Kinko said:

kr0nik0 said:

You're a big reason of what's currently wrong in America, OP.

My poor mother paid so much money to immigration lawyers, the INS, as well as more money towards visas, work visas, and eventually so did I so we could go through all the proper channels for us to eventually become legitimate, American citizens in the early 00's. We never spent one day illegally in this country and I'm damn proud of that because it's a lot more than 99% of other immigrants can say. You taking your fucking shortcuts to work here is pretty much stealing directly from me and this country. You get it?

You don't have the right to ask why people here might not have a job (which isn't my case). You're the reason that it was so damn hard for me and my family to enjoy what this country has to offer. Of course the government doesn't trust the majority of immigrants. Because of your "technically legal" bullshit.

Fuck that! I rarely ever get mad on these boards but this is a subject that is very close to my heart. I wouldn't feel any guilt whatsoever if someone called the INS on you and deported your ass so you'd stop stealing from MY and other Americans' pockets.

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Really? Where are you originally from ? Btw i pay taxes too and always haved but somehow i dont feel illegals are stealing from me , no pride here my friend.  And im cuban so your rant is invalid , the retarded us government gives cubans papers regardless if they came here legally or illegaly im laughing over here... You know i could be like you ... Proud to come here legally , and pay my taxes but i dont fuck that noise im no better them the wetback next to me...

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You mericans think you should be treated differently because your a citizen lolol illegals have to do the jobs because noone else will for that cheap.

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rxb said:

i have no workable solution to the wage gap except to return to the tax schedule that worked. (which wouldnt change your taxes much but would change bill gates taxes a lot.

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The destruction of the labor union is why wages have eroded. Unions also prevent employers from hiring illegals in the first place.

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rxb said:

i have no workable solution to the wage gap except to return to the tax schedule that worked. (which wouldnt change your taxes much but would change bill gates taxes a lot.

http://s158.photobucket.com/user/OnlyObvious/media/Tax_Rates/TopTaxBracket_TaxRate.jpg.html

its ridiculous to talk about because they arent going to let that happen and they are in control of the policy and therefor they are in control of YOU.

and furthermore for those of you who believe that deporting people will make the problem better, they are controlling you in yet another way.

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Kinko said:

You are incorrect zappa as you know ive been working without papers for a while the people who came in with papers either were lazy or could not handle the job , or were fired promptly... You mericans think you should be treated differently because your a citizen lolol illegals have to do the jobs because noone else will.

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koods said:

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Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship

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Again, i don't know whee you live or what you do for work, but i am in the construction field.  My work is dead on nuts.  Every time.  Because thats how it is supposed to be.  I charge $800-$1100 to replace a water heater.  The heater itself costs about $500.  The other parts necessary for code tend to cost somewhere between another $50-$200.  so the labor cost to hire me to install a new water heater is about 200-300 bucks.  For that price, i will pick up the heater, drive it to your house, take out the old heater, install the new one, and haul the old one away.  That is cheap as hell.  My old landlord hired a guy off the corner to put in her new water heater, because she thought i was too expensive.  She had to pick up the heater.  He didn't have the tools or materials necessary to do the job.  He installed the heater on an unlevel surface with no earthquake straps.  He reused the old fucked up water supply lines.  He did not install an expansion tank.  He did not install a drip leg on the gas inlet.  He did not install a smitty pan.  He did not run the Temperature and pressure relief drain to the outside, or even to the floor. But he did it for $60.  This guy is a monster, who left the job in a completely unsafe condition, and when someone gets burned by the T&P or when it floods out the garage, the guy is gonna be nowhere to be found.
But i guess thats great because the homeowner got to "save" $140

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Ok great story, yeah you convinced me that everyone from that guys country is just like him. Hey if you make the guy black, you could totally reuse this in one of the pubs regular threads about lazy black people.

SirShroomsAlott said:

I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.

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A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.

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