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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] 1
#21706445 - 05/21/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will be the first to acknowledge that the US is experiencing the largest gap in wealth and income inequality in over 80 years, that's an economic fact that isn't disputable, so we are on agreement with that aspect of the equation.
One of the main problems for the US is globalization, sending jobs out of the US to create higher profits for the people at the top, this causes an excess pool of labor and massive wealth inequality.
When you also let cheap labor into the country, you also create more wealth inequality, who do you think pushes this cheap labor entering the US? It's not the liberal activist, it's the very people at the top that you despise so much!!!
Even all the Republicans who at one time talked a tough game about illegal immigration are now in favor of it, it's not because they want to help out Julio and his family, their supporters want a continued flow of cheap labor and weak wages for many years to come.
The people at the top aren't bringing jobs back from China, Mexico, India, ect. They are not going on a huge infrastructure spending program and they're not going to stop the flow of cheap labor from entering the US, that's all a pipedream.
What is really funny is, we have over 90 million US citizens between the age of 18-65 that don't have jobs!! And you have the audacity to spew this nonsense that letting MORE illegal people into the US doesn't present any issues, your not in economic reality at all.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21706604 - 05/21/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706683 - 05/21/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What are you babbling about? There isn't 90 million workers out of work. Do you get paid to make shit up?
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] 3
#21706693 - 05/21/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"? I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.
This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect? Hitting too close to home?
I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman] 1
#21706698 - 05/21/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The nonsense is strong in that one.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21706721 - 05/21/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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that was qmans number you are objecting to
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qman said:
What is really funny is, we have over 90 million US citizens between the age of 18-65 that don't have jobs!!
so i guess you are saying qman is full of bullshit
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706733 - 05/21/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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deporting people wont solve 10% of the problem.
fixing the wealth gap could fix it, and create a job surplus.
but you are focused on deportation, because you are bigoted against illegals.
(who are native americans for the most part and frankly have more right to the land you live on than you do)
for your education, bigotry doesnt require a race... thats racism.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706772 - 05/21/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: that was qmans number you are objecting to
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qman said:
What is really funny is, we have over 90 million US citizens between the age of 18-65 that don't have jobs!!
so i guess you are saying qman is full of bullshit

You said 90 million workers. He said 90 million citizens
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706800 - 05/21/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: 1) friendship isnt involved.
2) its not that there are rich people, its that the wealth gap is too large to support this country.
its not bullshit, you are assuming it is. but thats because you either dont want to look at the data or you havent been shown any. if its the latter i can surely start you off on the right path.
but my guess is that you are too involved in your hypnosis to even want to see it, or to be willing to look objectively for yourself.
in countries with lower income gaps, there is less poverty, less unimployment, better education..better HEALTH ALL AROUND... even for the ultra rich.... etc etc.
the data is there.
its not wealth creation thats a problem its wealth holding. hire people to build roads and skyscrapers and your wealth is a benefit... buy a yacht, its a draw back... have 20 empty houses... draw back.... build a company that revests its profits into new hires and rasises (benefit) build a company that pays its profits mostly in dividends.... (drain)...
the math is there.
blaming pedro is dumb...
immigration isnt a left or right issue... reagan (amnesty)... gwb (amnesty)... obama (no amnesty)... but clinton did.... shrug... its bipartesen.
but the problem isnt one of the poor people who want to work.
thats the dumbest thing anyone could ever say
"someone wanting to work is a problem"

the problem is that instead of paying fair wages, people would rather take more profits.
they have a hard time living on 1 billion a year.
and fuck bill gates being the bigest charitable donater... HALF HIS FUCKING DONATIONS ARE ADVERTISEMENTS
he is 1) giving people computers which run his software
and 2) what he gives is like if you gave $20 a year.
PULEEEZE
The destruction of the labor union is why wages have eroded. Unions also prevent employers from hiring illegals in the first place.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21706808 - 05/21/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cool story bro.
again you are on the side of the bad guys, pushing against your own interests. the illegals REALLY arent the problem.
congrats
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21706810 - 05/21/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"? I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.
This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect? Hitting too close to home?
I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.
Deportng all the illegals would probably put the US into an economic depression. There would absolutely be very serious food shortages and devastating inflation.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706811 - 05/21/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods unions are both good and bad.
people getting 50 an hour for unskilled labor is pretty lame.
some unions are good.
unions are like country, they are only good until the people making policies get greedy.
unions do not have as much to do with where we are as people who lost their pensions in market crashes, OR as much as people who earn 10k+ an hour while sleeping.
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Edited by rxb (05/21/15 03:20 PM)
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman] 1
#21706822 - 05/21/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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rxb said: so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"? I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.
This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect? Hitting too close to home?
I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.
Every single last one. Everywhere. Importing serfs from third world shitholes also needs to stop. They can go fix their own shit back home if they need money.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21706828 - 05/21/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think you guys with the bigot eyes who think illegals are a problem
need to research propaganda and misdirection
propaganda is when some authority tells you something untrue so that you become their agent and pass along the misinformation. and then people who didnt even see the propaganda pass it on until a great number believe its true.
misinformation is when someone makes you look at ONE thing so you wont look at another.
you know... like blaming starving people for a problem that if you removed them all would still exist, so you rant and rave and focus on that (then they dont solve it and make it worse) so you never look at what is REALLY going on.
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Edited by rxb (05/21/15 03:23 PM)
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706846 - 05/21/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: deporting people wont solve 10% of the problem.
fixing the wealth gap could fix it, and create a job surplus.
but you are focused on deportation, because you are bigoted against illegals.
(who are native americans for the most part and frankly have more right to the land you live on than you do)
for your education, bigotry doesnt require a race... thats racism.
How do you propose to fix the wealth gap? By disincentivizing entrepreneurship and success or by rewarding failure? And spare me the fucking native bullshit. They lost because they are losers. They were not exactly peaceful unicorns themselves. They fought wars and kept slaves. I have part NA blood. Do you? If you don't, get the fuck out yourself.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: koods]
#21706870 - 05/21/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said:
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qman said:
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rxb said: so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"? I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.
This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect? Hitting too close to home?
I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.
Deportng all the illegals would probably put the US into an economic depression. There would absolutely be very serious food shortages and devastating inflation.
What fucking nonsense. Farm worker wages would rise to be enough to attract employees who are otherwise standing on the street corner sucking dick and collecting welfare. Maid service wages would rise as would construction wages. It would almost eliminate the underground tax economy. There are over 10 million. Out damned spot, out.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] 1
#21706871 - 05/21/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: deporting people wont solve 10% of the problem.
fixing the wealth gap could fix it, and create a job surplus.
but you are focused on deportation, because you are bigoted against illegals.
You don't seem to understand that they CREATE more of a wealth gap for some reason. It isn't tough to understand, driving wages down makes the people at the top even further from the people at the bottom.
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(who are native americans for the most part and frankly have more right to the land you live on than you do)
No they don't. I was born in the USA. They weren't.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21706876 - 05/21/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: i think you guys with the bigot eyes who think illegals are a problem
need to research propaganda and misdirection
propaganda is when some authority tells you something untrue so that you become their agent and pass along the misinformation. and then people who didnt even see the propaganda pass it on until a great number believe its true.
misinformation is when someone makes you look at ONE thing so you wont look at another.
you know... like blaming starving people for a problem that if you removed them all would still exist, so you rant and rave and focus on that (then they dont solve it and make it worse) so you never look at what is REALLY going on.
You need to research market economics and, just for laughs, Mexican immigration laws.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21706941 - 05/21/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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They might be important for the economy (which is completely logic because it lowers prices) but you know, I thought slavery was part of US history. Let's call the exploitation on illegals as "modern slavery"
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21706942 - 05/21/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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koods said:
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qman said:
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rxb said: so you think the answer to 90 million workers out of work is to remove 10 million illegal workers.
and im the one spewing nonsense?
please go maths
nothing says "i have no idea what the right place to focus on is"
like "i can solve 1/10th of the problem by being a bigot so lets do that"
Why is requesting that any illegal person should be deported "being a bigot"? I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Russia, or even my own homeland of Poland, if they are here illegally they should be gone.
This is a an economic issue, why are you so tied into the culture and race aspect? Hitting too close to home?
I also don't care if there are only 50,000 illegals, they ALL need to be deported.
Deportng all the illegals would probably put the US into an economic depression. There would absolutely be very serious food shortages and devastating inflation.
What fucking nonsense. Farm worker wages would rise to be enough to attract employees who are otherwise standing on the street corner sucking dick and collecting welfare. Maid service wages would rise as would construction wages. It would almost eliminate the underground tax economy. There are over 10 million. Out damned spot, out.
It's not nonsense. It pretty simple economics, which is most likely why you don't believe it. Modern conservatism clings to these utopian economic theories that simply don't pan out. You have to face reality at some point, you want to kick the brown people and you just can't believe that they are actually an integral part of the economy.
You can't remove millions of people from the labor force without causing major inflation. Even small changes in the cost of food production would be disastrous. And even after labor costs spike, there still will be huge shortages - the fact is that some if these unfilled jobs do not get filled even when pay is raised aggressively. There really are jobs that Americans won't do. We know this because it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
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