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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#21708019 - 05/21/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship
Again, i don't know whee you live or what you do for work, but i am in the construction field. My work is dead on nuts. Every time. Because thats how it is supposed to be. I charge $800-$1100 to replace a water heater. The heater itself costs about $500. The other parts necessary for code tend to cost somewhere between another $50-$200. so the labor cost to hire me to install a new water heater is about 200-300 bucks. For that price, i will pick up the heater, drive it to your house, take out the old heater, install the new one, and haul the old one away. That is cheap as hell. My old landlord hired a guy off the corner to put in her new water heater, because she thought i was too expensive. She had to pick up the heater. He didn't have the tools or materials necessary to do the job. He installed the heater on an unlevel surface with no earthquake straps. He reused the old fucked up water supply lines. He did not install an expansion tank. He did not install a drip leg on the gas inlet. He did not install a smitty pan. He did not run the Temperature and pressure relief drain to the outside, or even to the floor. But he did it for $60. This guy is a monster, who left the job in a completely unsafe condition, and when someone gets burned by the T&P or when it floods out the garage, the guy is gonna be nowhere to be found. But i guess thats great because the homeowner got to "save" $140
Ok great story, yeah you convinced me that everyone from that guys country is just like him. Hey if you make the guy black, you could totally reuse this in one of the pubs regular threads about lazy black people.
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SirShroomsAlott said: I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.
A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.
I wasn't trying to convince you that all Mexicans, Guatamalans, El Salvadoreans et. are lazy or bad or whatever. They are just people trying to make a living. However, in experience in the Los Angeles area construction field, i have seen almost daily examples of absolutely shitty, dangerous, work being done by illegals. It's not that they aren't trying, its that they haven't been trained properly. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that hungry people will say yes if you ask them if they can do _____. You should try this sometime. just head down to wherever the day laborers stand around in your neighborhood, pull up and when they rush your car, ask the first 2 guys if they know how to build a deck. Then ask them if they can do plumbing. Then ask them if they know how to hang drywall. Then ask if they can wire up a few recessed lights for you. The answer to these questions will be yes. Pretty impressive right? Illegals must be great at construction if they can master so many trades right? My point is that i'm not against "brown people" i'm against shit work driving down the value of my excellent work. In fact, its kinda pissing me off that there are people in here trying to imply (or just flat out accuse) that i'm a racist, because of this. If we were talking about okies instead of mexicans, my point would be the same.
When people around here are losing a intellectual debate, the first thing they use is racism, sexism, nationalism, ect. It's easier than trying to defend a losing irrational position.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21708035 - 05/21/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman if thats your idea of an education you really should go back to school.
you brought up an idea that in 1940 something there were x loop holes, backed it up with shit...all while attempting to counter a position that i was clearly NOT BEHIND.
thats a bunch of fails at once.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708098 - 05/21/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: qman if thats your idea of an education you really should go back to school.
you brought up an idea that in 1940 something there were x loop holes, backed it up with shit...all while attempting to counter a position that i was clearly NOT BEHIND.
thats a bunch of fails at once.
Do you seriously think that the top earners in the US went 20-30 years of paying a 90% tax rate on their INCOME? 
Come on dude, the chart makes liberals warm and fuzzy, but it's COMPLETE NONSENSE.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21708113 - 05/21/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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man, you clearly have nothing to back up what you are saying... and i dont like tax solutions anyhow...
so why dont you either be a man and admit you over-reached or just quietly drop it.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708135 - 05/21/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nobody paid that because there were so many loopholes. This is not a hidden fact for adults.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21708158 - 05/21/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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neither you nor i were born in 1940 anything.
so your assumptions are based on your experience in the 70s and 80s
so you have no data to tell who USED any loopholes or which ones were available.
so if you keep going, you simply show what you are. someone who is more than willing to say something is a fact when he doesnt have the data to back it up.
or ... someone who lacks any credibility and flaunts it shamelessly.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708161 - 05/21/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: man, you clearly have nothing to back up what you are saying... and i dont like tax solutions anyhow...
so why dont you either be a man and admit you over-reached or just quietly drop it.
I been smoking weed and drinking, so I ain't looking up shit tonight (maybe tomorrow), but think about it, would you work or own a business and take that risk for just 10% of your profit after taxation? Not a chance in hell, nobody's that stupid.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708166 - 05/21/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you CAN find data on which loopholes were used by the top 1% in the 1940s i'll gladly read them and we can resume your, up to that point, useless line of logic.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] 1
#21708199 - 05/21/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The point is data isn't even needed, if you think all those major corpotations/ super rich people were giving 90% back you are smoking crack.
Crack I say!
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: musiclover420]
#21708217 - 05/21/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh muh gaaawd i know how everything worked 70 years ago!!!
yes, i need data. they dont have it either. zappa was born in the 60s
i dont see any data on it available... qman is drunk and stoned, and clearly talking out the ass.
-------------------- ->$10 FLOW HOOD ALTERNATIVE <- . i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications) [quote]Enlil said: I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708233 - 05/21/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who isn't drunk or stoned
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708234 - 05/21/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was born in the fifties you were born in the aughts.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21708257 - 05/21/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok my bad zappa was born in the LATE 50s not the 60s
-------------------- ->$10 FLOW HOOD ALTERNATIVE <- . i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications) [quote]Enlil said: I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21708267 - 05/21/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I was born in the fifties you were born in the aughts.
the last birth year that can be on the site is what 1997, i got a college degree in 1998 you are bad at math ... and you have a fro. life has looked poorly on you.
-------------------- ->$10 FLOW HOOD ALTERNATIVE <- . i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications) [quote]Enlil said: I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: koods]
#21708607 - 05/21/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.
A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.
which fucks up a lady on disability because her SSN shows her working when she's supposedly unable to, it fucks the guy with 3 kids that was depending on the refund check at tax time to put a down payment on a car and pay down his other bills it also fucks a lot of people on their credit because now that the illegals have a stolen SSN they get utilities and other bills in the name of the owner and then move without paying the last couple months and now the single mother cant get her gas turned on because she has an outstanding bill in her name
tell us again how illegals are contributing to our economy and how important they are to our daily lives by chanting the anthem "no illegal, no burrito", after all, burrito rolling is a skilled trade that makes them invaluable
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21708653 - 05/21/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd rather have illegals than legals, it's usually the legal ones who run a muck, cuz they feel so entitled like they can do wutever they want
Just look at all the prisons, like 90% of the inmates are legal citizens
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21708655 - 05/21/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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They are entitled, its their fuckin country.
Edited by Bodhi of Ankou (05/22/15 12:01 AM)
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21708665 - 05/21/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's where u are wrong. The earth belongs to everyone.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21708668 - 05/21/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
#21708672 - 05/21/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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