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Le_Canard
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Herbologist]
#21702339 - 05/20/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's good news. There definitely need to be more of that.
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Herbologist
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Le_Canard]
#21702352 - 05/20/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most definitely. Most of them are kitchen or car wash jobs that most americans would probably apply for if they were looking for work but those positions are filled by the illegals.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Le_Canard]
#21702395 - 05/20/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: Well tell me why they're finding work here? And, here's a radical thought - why don't we crack down on those that hire them? No jobs, no Mexicans it seems to me.
I agree 100%. When Reagan signed that stupid fucking amnesty bill in the 80s there were supposed to be huge fines for anybody caught hiring illegals after. What happened? Nothing. The government has chosen not to enforce the laws it has enacted.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21702399 - 05/20/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting. I did not know that. I think we should add a little jail time for offenders as well, as an extra little incentive.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21702403 - 05/20/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Le_Canard said: Hey they work hard and long for real cheap. And none of those pesky health and safety regulations to worry about either. That right there is free market capitalism, my friend.
There is nothing free market about it. They are here illegally, do not adhere to the regulations the rest of us have to, and, contrary to the idiot's narrative, DO NOT PAY TAXES. They also do not work harder than anybody else and around here they aren't cheap. $125 a day plus lunch and transportation. I figure that works out to about $20 an hour for a taxed American take home pay.
it does, I make about 20 an hour for now and take home about 110-120 a day after taxes. and I have to pay for my own transportation and lunch
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21702406 - 05/20/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's cuz they're making the country filthy rich
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21702413 - 05/20/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No they aren't. Taking jobs from American citizens is not making the country filthy rich. They do the shit jobs that should be going to our own idiots, not Guatemala's.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz] 2
#21702420 - 05/20/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zZZz said: it's cuz they're making the country filthy rich
No, they're making the wealthy even richer and driving down wages for all US workers, they also drain off the tax base.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21702438 - 05/20/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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well the wealthy pretty much own the country so alot of that money also goes to the country
btw paying taxes is inevitable, everyone pays taxes
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman] 1
#21702445 - 05/20/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i love paying for free housing and transportation 
Also, zZZZz, its not inevitable.
Illegals are paid under the table, so its not recorded, making it tax-free.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz] 1
#21702453 - 05/20/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zZZz said: well the wealthy pretty much own the country so alot of that money also goes to the country
btw paying taxes is inevitable, everyone pays taxes
If you're trying to make a case that illegals working in the US is beneficial from a economic position, you're going to fail.
"a lot of that money also goes to the country"
No, it goes into the pockets of the very few while he destroys wages for tens of millions of US workers, it's not even a debate, it's a fact.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21702464 - 05/20/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Le_Canard said: Hey they work hard and long for real cheap. And none of those pesky health and safety regulations to worry about either. That right there is free market capitalism, my friend.
There is nothing free market about it. They are here illegally, do not adhere to the regulations the rest of us have to, and, contrary to the idiot's narrative, DO NOT PAY TAXES. They also do not work harder than anybody else and around here they aren't cheap. $125 a day plus lunch and transportation. I figure that works out to about $20 an hour for a taxed American take home pay.
I think it all boils down to property taxes, the government is taxing the hell out of properties. The farmers are barely making a profit becuase they have this huge piece of land growing food on it. The food harvested has gotta pay the land tax. Landlords have to take 80% of a persons income for rent, because they gotta make a profit after paying landtax and try to pay off the building itself for what they paid for it. To help balance this outta people are being exploiting now, becuase nobody can afford to pay $5 for a ballpoint pen made by american workers with full union and health benfits. We buy ones made in china for 25 cents each. Those workers are being exploiting to the hilt be paid like 8 dollar per day. Mexican day laborers are being exploited also by american business, like a more slightly more expensive version of a chinese worker.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Herbologist]
#21702471 - 05/20/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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they get no taxes back tho. the regular citizens randomly get deducted from their checks for shit like health care, or their social security plan and whatnot, the illegal immigrants still have to do this anyway, but the only difference is their is no paper work. either way tho they'll have to pay taxes eventually if they dont already.
everyone pays taxes tho, u ever see the tax stickers on the food products and whatnot?, a tax is a tax is a tax
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
#21702478 - 05/20/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said:
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zZZz said: well the wealthy pretty much own the country so alot of that money also goes to the country
btw paying taxes is inevitable, everyone pays taxes
If you're trying to make a case that illegals working in the US is beneficial from a economic position, you're going to fail.
"a lot of that money also goes to the country"
No, it goes into the pockets of the very few while he destroys wages for tens of millions of US workers, it's not even a debate, it's a fact.
alot of the money goes straight towards the government, i.e. courthouses, which in turn should go back to the city.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21702488 - 05/20/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Le_Canard said: Hey they work hard and long for real cheap. And none of those pesky health and safety regulations to worry about either. That right there is free market capitalism, my friend.
There is nothing free market about it. They are here illegally, do not adhere to the regulations the rest of us have to, and, contrary to the idiot's narrative, DO NOT PAY TAXES. They also do not work harder than anybody else and around here they aren't cheap. $125 a day plus lunch and transportation. I figure that works out to about $20 an hour for a taxed American take home pay.
I think it all boils down to property taxes, the government is taxing the hell out of properties. The farmers are barely making a profit becuase they have this huge piece of land growing food on it. The food harvested has gotta pay the land tax. Landlords have to take 80% of a persons income for rent, because they gotta make a profit after paying landtax and try to pay off the building itself for what they paid for it. To help balance this outta people are being exploiting now, becuase nobody can afford to pay $5 for a ballpoint pen made by american workers with full union and health benfits. We buy ones made in china for 25 cents each. Those workers are being exploiting to the hilt be paid like 8 dollar per day. Mexican day laborers are being exploited also by american business, like a more slightly more expensive version of a chinese worker.
This is, of course, complete bullshit. I already told you what the illegals get paid around here and it is the rough equivalent of $20 an hour. I don't give a fuck what Chinese workers get paid
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21702494 - 05/20/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zZZz said: they get no taxes back tho. the regular citizens randomly get deducted from their checks for shit like health care, or their social security plan and whatnot, the illegal immigrants still have to do this anyway, but the only difference is their is no paper work. either way tho they'll have to pay taxes eventually if they dont already.
everyone pays taxes tho, u ever see the tax stickers on the food products and whatnot?, a tax is a tax is a tax
You do not get taxes of any kind deducted from cash. Are you really trying to argue that sales taxes amount to shit? Please tell me what the federal sales tax cut is. Thanks in advance.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21702500 - 05/20/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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People who fill out applications and sit on their ass waiting for someone to offer them a job. I am a Texan and have learned after a few years of the above that shit doesn't cut it. Especially in today's society, where most people pulling a min wage job can't afford to keep groceries stocked after taxes. I've worked under the table in a foreign country before.. You really do come out ahead until you fuck your body up.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21702501 - 05/20/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zZZz said:
alot of the money goes straight towards the government, i.e. courthouses, which in turn should go back to the city.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zZZz]
#21702514 - 05/20/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Was watching this thing about washignton legalizing pot, and they want $6 dollar state tax on a gram. How are the growers, and sellers gonna make a profit. Its gonna be like 20 dollars a gram for the consumer. They'll have to hire mexicans under the table to pick and trim the bud than hiring american workers. lol
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: AcidBath]
#21702520 - 05/20/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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AcidBath said: People who fill out applications and sit on their ass waiting for someone to offer them a job. I am a Texan and have learned after a few years of the above that shit doesn't cut it. Especially in today's society, where most people pulling a min wage job can't afford to keep groceries stocked after taxes. I've worked under the table in a foreign country before.. You really do come out ahead until you fuck your body up.
Did you know that's ragweed in your sig, and not cannabis? Just wondering
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