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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: ballsalsa]
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See. People in the industry get it completely.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: They totally fuck the legals even more because they make them all suspects.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
#21703171 - 05/20/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ironically, there are places in the U.S. that desperately need people. Kansas has actually started a homesteading program. perhaps the solution is to have Greyhound waiting at the border to ferry illegals directly to the midwest
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Patlal]
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zappaisgod said: They totally fuck the legals even more because they make them all suspects.
Hire neon white, red hed with freckles.
No way there Mexicans
Probably an illegal Irish but at least they speak something close to English.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: ironically, there are places in the U.S. that desperately need people. Kansas has actually started a homesteading program. perhaps the solution is to have Greyhound waiting at the border to ferry illegals directly to the midwest
Why? They should have them at every inner city public housing projects taking our own bums there. We do not need to import retards. We have enough domestic retards to fill all the retard job needs.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
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i'm just sayin, we let em in freely as it stands, but they saturate the border states. Its not fair, so i propose that we send all border jumpers to the midwest and new england courtesy of uncle sam.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: ballsalsa]
#21703243 - 05/20/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would prefer we send them to Tierra del Fuego. By the way, New York is a border state. The metropolitan area is loaded with them.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: zappaisgod]
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The one thing I never understood is why the border isn't militarized.
The goal of an army is to prevent invasion right? There's 10 million illegals in the country, how the fuck does that not fall under the definition of invasion?
And yet, some dude that may or may not have biological weapons half a world away gets hit by a shower of US missiles.
You guys could bring Russia to it's knees without a single shot fired in homeland USA. Yet you can't seem to stop half naked, starved and dehydrated Mexicans... Never understood it.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Patlal]
#21703341 - 05/20/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Two reasons
1. Well heeled interests want them and enough politicians are beholden to them to prevent real enforcement. 2. Democrats want them because they need to maintain a class of dependents to ensure their access to power. The illegals increase the number of welfare Americans
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood is why the border isn't militarized.
The goal of an army is to prevent invasion right? There's 10 million illegals in the country, how the fuck does that not fall under the definition of invasion?
And yet, some dude that may or may not have biological weapons half a world away gets hit by a shower of US missiles.
You guys could bring Russia to it's knees without a single shot fired in homeland USA. Yet you can't seem to stop half naked, starved and dehydrated Mexicans... Never understood it.
The funny thing is that the war cheerleaders always say they are fighting (Iraq, Afghanistan, ect) to keep us safe in the homeland, yet the southern border is completely wide open for any terrorist to cross into the US, BTW people from the Middle East don't look so different than people south of the border so that wouldn't be much of a problem.
Why fight 5000 miles away from home when your border is wide open? The point is it's complete bullshit and they LOVE the cheap excess pool of labor.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood is why the border isn't militarized.
The goal of an army is to prevent invasion right? There's 10 million illegals in the country, how the fuck does that not fall under the definition of invasion?
And yet, some dude that may or may not have biological weapons half a world away gets hit by a shower of US missiles.
You guys could bring Russia to it's knees without a single shot fired in homeland USA. Yet you can't seem to stop half naked, starved and dehydrated Mexicans... Never understood it.
Unfortunately, illegal immigrants serve Business well by keeping labor prices very low. So Big Business wants them. Money runs politics, so naturally, politicians aren't in a hurry to fuck their buddies around by closing the border. Also, keep in mind, its an easier sell to tell the public that theres terrorists we have to kill, or guys with WMD's that we need to topple. After all, guys yelling about god while firing AK-47's into the air can be pretty scary. Poor hispanics trying to jump the border to make some money just doesn't have that same imminently hostile feel to it. It's easy for most people to empathize with the guy who wants a better life. Thats what makes it so hard to stop. Then again it might be better for everyone if the U.S. annexed Mexico. It could even be sold to the public as a humanitarian mission to stop all the cartel violence.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: VivaLaMushie]
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VivaLaMushie said: here in AZ all the illegals have to do is stand by the Circle K on the corner and they get picked up by contractors and shit.
STEALING JOBS FROM AMERICANS
Lol. They aren't stealing jobs. They are participating in the economy, and making it larger. Turns out when you crack down on illegals, the local economy usually suffers. It's kinda stupid to target productive members of a community.
Alabama's crackdown on immigrant was such a distaster they undid the entire law. The states economy took a 10 billion dollar hit. Arizona economy also has underperformed due to their crackdown. On the other hand, it is amusing to see racists shoot themselves in the foot like this.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood is why the border isn't militarized.
The goal of an army is to prevent invasion right? There's 10 million illegals in the country, how the fuck does that not fall under the definition of invasion?
And yet, some dude that may or may not have biological weapons half a world away gets hit by a shower of US missiles.
You guys could bring Russia to it's knees without a single shot fired in homeland USA. Yet you can't seem to stop half naked, starved and dehydrated Mexicans... Never understood it.
The reason the border is porous is because it is understood that these people are actually important to the US economy. They are a benefit, and because they are not permanent residents they come and go as the labor market demands. Frankly, people who complain about illegal immigrants harming the edonomy are just ignorant. We don't fix the system because the fix that people are demanding would be very harmful to the US economy.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: koods]
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STEALING JOBS FROM AMERICANS
Lol. They aren't stealing jobs. They are participating in the economy, and making it larger. Turns out when you crack down on illegals, the local economy usually suffers. It's kinda stupid to target productive members of a community.
Alabama's crackdown on immigrant was such a distaster they undid the entire law. The states economy took a 10 billion dollar hit. Arizona economy also has underperformed due to their crackdown. On the other hand, it is amusing to see racists shoot themselves in the foot like this.
I do remember reading and hearing quite a bit about what happened in AL when they did that. If they were to do the same here the local economy would downright collapse in a matter of days.
Illegal immigration is at a point where there's just so much of it that's it plays a major role in both our local and national economies. I don't like it one bit.
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Patlal said: The one thing I never understood is why the border isn't militarized.
The goal of an army is to prevent invasion right? There's 10 million illegals in the country, how the fuck does that not fall under the definition of invasion?
And yet, some dude that may or may not have biological weapons half a world away gets hit by a shower of US missiles.
You guys could bring Russia to it's knees without a single shot fired in homeland USA. Yet you can't seem to stop half naked, starved and dehydrated Mexicans... Never understood it.
The reason the border is porous is because it is understood that these people are actually important to the US economy. They are a benefit, and because they are not permanent residents they come and go as the labor market demands. Frankly, people who complain about illegal immigrants harming the edonomy are just ignorant. We don't fix the system because the fix that people are demanding would be very harmful to the US economy.
"actually important to the US economy"
Yes, to those who profit from cheap labor and a excess pool of labor, guess who gets fucked over most? The unskilled US worker (blacks and legal Hispanics).
"complain about illegal immigrants harming the economy are just ignorant"
It's harming US citizens/workers, can you see the difference? No one is suggesting it's hurting the whole US economy, but in most cases their presence is hurting many communities because they take more than they contribute and they become a massive financial burden. If you want wealth and income inequality to remain at 80 year highs, then by all means keep supporting illegal workers entering the US, but then again I'm "just ignorant" about the economy.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: kr0nik0]
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VivaLaMushie said: here in AZ all the illegals have to do is stand by the Circle K on the corner and they get picked up by contractors and shit.
STEALING JOBS FROM AMERICANS
Lol. They aren't stealing jobs. They are participating in the economy, and making it larger. Turns out when you crack down on illegals, the local economy usually suffers. It's kinda stupid to target productive members of a community.
Alabama's crackdown on immigrant was such a distaster they undid the entire law. The states economy took a 10 billion dollar hit. Arizona economy also has underperformed due to their crackdown. On the other hand, it is amusing to see racists shoot themselves in the foot like this.
I do remember reading and hearing quite a bit about what happened in AL when they did that. If they were to do the same here the local economy would downright collapse in a matter of days.
Illegal immigration is at a point where there's just so much of it that's it plays a major role in both our local and national economies. I don't like it one bit.
The economy would adjust just fine once they were deported, don't buy into his crazy economic theories, we have plenty of unskilled US citizens to replace their presence in the labor market.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: koods]
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The reason the border is porous is because it is understood that these people are actually important to the US economy. They are a benefit, and because they are not permanent residents they come and go as the labor market demands. Frankly, people who complain about illegal immigrants harming the edonomy are just ignorant. We don't fix the system because the fix that people are demanding would be very harmful to the US economy.
a. illegals don't "come and go as the labor market demands" they come, stay, start a family, etc. Whether that's a bad thing or not, i'll leave for another debate
b. Its not ignorant to watch real wages decline for several decades, and know that its the constant influx of cheap labor that plays a big role
c. I don't know what industry you work in, but i imagine it is one that isn't threatened by shoddy mexican labor
d. Whats "good" for the economy as a whole, is not necessarily good for any one segment of the economy. Its a small consolation that illegals "benefit" the economy to the guy that used to make $30 or $50 an hour but now makes $12-$18 an hour because he has to compete with illegals. It also is probably not much comfort to the homeowner who pays several grand to say, remodel a bathroom, gets turned down by the inspector, and has to tear it out and start over. Then, when he tries to get his money back, Jose or whatever is nowhere to be found. yeah, that happens...a lot. I don't know what industry you work in koods, but i feel pretty confident that its not construction. Here's another example: Bill wants to remodel his kitchen. He get several estimates. The highest is $15000 the lowest is $2000. He hires Homero to do the job for $2000. It actually costs $5000 to get the job done. Homero gets half of the money up front for materials. Homero realizes that he is going to lose money on the job because he underbid it. Homero takes the $1000, pockets it, and disappears. Bill is getting restless. He hasn't seen or heard from Homero in days. After a couple weeks he realizes that he got jacked for a grande, and he calls a reputable contractor to do the work. Meahwhile, Juan is underbidding another job on the other side of town.
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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: ballsalsa]
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It's not theory... This is what has happened every-time governments have tried to crack down on undocumented workers. When you kick out the illegals, Americans do not replace them. Alabama had to bring in prisoners to work the fields, which is even worse than using undocumented labor in terms of. Wage pressures. The state's farm production tanked after their law went into effect. Produce rotted in the fields. After about six months, the state started begging the illegals to come back.
we need to figure out how to give them a legal framework to continue working in the US. The fact is, they are a necessary labor resource. As it stands now, this country food supply depends on a reliable undocumented labor force. Crackdowns have demonstrated that American agriculture would be crippled without them.
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The reason the border is porous is because it is understood that these people are actually important to the US economy. They are a benefit, and because they are not permanent residents they come and go as the labor market demands. Frankly, people who complain about illegal immigrants harming the edonomy are just ignorant. We don't fix the system because the fix that people are demanding would be very harmful to the US economy.
a. illegals don't "come and go as the labor market demands" they come, stay, start a family, etc. Whether that's a bad thing or not, i'll leave for another debate
b. Its not ignorant to watch real wages decline for several decades, and know that its the constant influx of cheap labor that plays a big role
c. I don't know what industry you work in, but i imagine it is one that isn't threatened by shoddy mexican labor
d. Whats "good" for the economy as a whole, is not necessarily good for any one segment of the economy. Its a small consolation that illegals "benefit" the economy to the guy that used to make $30 or $50 an hour but now makes $12-$18 an hour because he has to compete with illegals. It also is probably not much comfort to the homeowner who pays several grand to say, remodel a bathroom, gets turned down by the inspector, and has to tear it out and start over. Then, when he tries to get his money back, Jose or whatever is nowhere to be found. yeah, that happens...a lot. I don't know what industry you work in koods, but i feel pretty confident that its not construction. Here's another example: Bill wants to remodel his kitchen. He get several estimates. The highest is $15000 the lowest is $2000. He hires Homero to do the job for $2000. It actually costs $5000 to get the job done. Homero gets half of the money up front for materials. Homero realizes that he is going to lose money on the job because he underbid it. Homero takes the $1000, pockets it, and disappears. Bill is getting restless. He hasn't seen or heard from Homero in days. After a couple weeks he realizes that he got jacked for a grande, and he calls a reputable contractor to do the work. Meahwhile, Juan is underbidding another job on the other side of town.
Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship.
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zZZz said: they get no taxes back tho. the regular citizens randomly get deducted from their checks for shit like health care, or their social security plan and whatnot, the illegal immigrants still have to do this anyway, but the only difference is their is no paper work. either way tho they'll have to pay taxes eventually if they dont already.
everyone pays taxes tho, u ever see the tax stickers on the food products and whatnot?, a tax is a tax is a tax
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If the illegals weren't flooding the market the wages would rise to attract American citizens. You really have no fucking clue, do you?
then the market would be flooded by american citizens and the wages go down anyway. it's inevitable, everything we do now economically is simply to entertain ourselves while we wait for the inevitable, which is an economic collapse, except this wont necessarily be a bad thing, it just means no more rich or poor, everyone will be equal as u wish.
if u want equality take it up with the richest of folks, not the poorest who barely get by on untaxed money.
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zZZz said: yea i dont know makes people think that just because u arent a citizen u are somehow free from paying any bills
truth is the average immigrant has about as much rights as a homeless person, probably even less than an homeless person because homeless people can't get deported.
illegal immigrant
stealing is illegal too u know..
but yet we've been doing since the dawn of man. we pay thieves to live on stolen land. that's gotta be illegal.
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Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship
Again, i don't know whee you live or what you do for work, but i am in the construction field. My work is dead on nuts. Every time. Because thats how it is supposed to be. I charge $800-$1100 to replace a water heater. The heater itself costs about $500. The other parts necessary for code tend to cost somewhere between another $50-$200. so the labor cost to hire me to install a new water heater is about 200-300 bucks. For that price, i will pick up the heater, drive it to your house, take out the old heater, install the new one, and haul the old one away. That is cheap as hell. My old landlord hired a guy off the corner to put in her new water heater, because she thought i was too expensive. She had to pick up the heater. He didn't have the tools or materials necessary to do the job. He installed the heater on an unlevel surface with no earthquake straps. He reused the old fucked up water supply lines. He did not install an expansion tank. He did not install a drip leg on the gas inlet. He did not install a smitty pan. He did not run the Temperature and pressure relief drain to the outside, or even to the floor. But he did it for $60. This guy is a monster, who left the job in a completely unsafe condition, and when someone gets burned by the T&P or when it floods out the garage, the guy is gonna be nowhere to be found. But i guess thats great because the homeowner got to "save" $140
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