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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] * 1
    #21705963 - 05/21/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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i have the answer.

stop all illegal activity in your life and i'll stop to listen to what you have to say about OTHER people doing illegal things.

its just hypocritical

zappa basically your poltical views are

"no one has a right to tell anyone what to do in their life unless i think its bad"

you're like grambo from the morality squad.




I'm not trying to argue or debate with you and will openly admit I might be wrong but want to ask anyway just so I can understand better.

But you don't think there's a difference that I'm granted rights and am doing or not doing illegal things because those laws apply to me since they apply to American citizens, where they don't apply to illegal immigrants since they aren't supposed to be here in the first place?

I'm not saying I agree or disagree, more just curiosity.

I'd personally agree with your argument more if it was more along the lines of, "you do certain drugs so you can't criticize other people who do different drugs" or something like that, but not when I'm breaking laws that apply to me as an american, that don't apply to someone who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Really don't want to argue and I'm not claiming to be right, but for example it comes off like you're saying I can't judge a pedophile because I've taken LSD before and since both are illegal we're on equal grounds. Someone doing something illegal doesn't make it exactly the same as someone else doing something different that is illegal, it could have totally seperate consequences. The illegal activities I engage in will in no way harm any one but me, but someone who comes here illegally does and can effect other peoples lives.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb] * 2
    #21705973 - 05/21/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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rxb said:
i have the answer.

stop all illegal activity in your life and i'll stop to listen to what you have to say about OTHER people doing illegal things.

its just hypocritical

zappa basically your poltical views are

"no one has a right to tell anyone what to do in their life unless i think its bad"

you're like grambo from the morality squad.




This line of reasoning make no sense, all crimes are equal in nature?  Getting a speeding ticket makes someone a hypocrite if they place judgment on a murderer? :flowstone:

I hate to break the news to you, but smoking a joint and entering a country ILLEGALLY are NOT the same thing. 

Is this the best logical argument you have for supporting illegals entering the US?  :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
    #21705985 - 05/21/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

immegration polacy isnt a god given right.

its something we've adapted over time.

http://www.flowofhistory.org/themes/movement_settlement/uspolicytimeline.php

its just a law like, "stop at a red light"

and "buckle your seat belt"

and "dont smoke pot"

the fact that its made some of you mouth breathing gum frothing rabid country worshipers is simply a matter of the propaganda you have been fed and hypnotized by.

next thing you know somoene's going to mention Muslims.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21705998 - 05/21/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In no way shape or form am I an America worshipper, in fact I disagree with the majority of things we do , but my life is directly effected by illegal immigrants, what do you suppose I do apart from be a little upset by it, when I'm watching people I've worked with for years struggling to feed their own kids, when I can't make as much money and can't afford a decent life because I can't compete with untaxed, unproper wages that are paid under the table, especially when I have people who rely on me for work in order to pay their living expenses.

People rely on me and my company to feed their families, put a roof over their head, what do you expect me to do, say fuck them and hire illegals and contribute to the problem I'm seeing because it will work better for me? To people like me, who it does directly effect, what would you suppose we do then rather then be against them coming here illegally.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706027 - 05/21/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

america isnt your country its your continent


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706034 - 05/21/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'll admit I'm fucking dumb but Idk how what you just said relates to what I said.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706046 - 05/21/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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n fact I disagree with the majority of things we do , but my life is directly effected by illegal immigrants




its greatly MORE effected by laws that increase wealth gaps... and if the wealth gap came down to the level of OTHER first world countries, you would no longer have this issue. so.... no thats not really what is effecting your life, its just what you are brainwashed to believe, because you cant see past the fact that pedro is taking your 10dollars an hour... to see that bill gates is taking away 10,000 an hour higher than an peer in better organized countries. and that number is probably actually very low im just pulling 10k out of my ass.

the myth of the job creator allows for the myth of the evil immigrant


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706048 - 05/21/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'll admit I'm fucking dumb but Idk how what you just said relates to what I said.




i said country worshiper, and you said "i dont worship my continent"


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706055 - 05/21/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well I meant United States. I'll be back on to discuss later, my lunch break is over.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706060 - 05/21/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Well I meant United States. I'll be back on later my lunch break is over.



The United States of what? Mexico?

:rolleyes:

rxb is just being facetious because he has ran out of rebuttals.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706065 - 05/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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n fact I disagree with the majority of things we do , but my life is directly effected by illegal immigrants




its greatly MORE effected by laws that increase wealth gaps... and if the wealth gap came down to the level of OTHER first world countries, you would no longer have this issue. so.... no thats not really what is effecting your life, its just what you are brainwashed to believe, because you cant see past the fact that pedro is taking your 10dollars an hour... to see that bill gates is taking away 10,000 an hour higher than an peer in better organized countries. and that number is probably actually very low im just pulling 10k out of my ass.

the myth of the job creator allows for the myth of the evil immigrant



Bill Gates is the world's biggest philanthropist, not Pedro.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: D.M.T]
    #21706067 - 05/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

oh come on god damn it lol, first I said America, then I said United States, even my dumbass could of figured out what someone meant if I read someone else say that.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706085 - 05/21/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

so long as we have policy in place that maintains wealth gaps which are the highest in the world, you will have people worried about what illiterate pedro is doing picking cotton in a field for $5 an hour.

the fact that people are angry at pedro is retarded. pedro wants to feed his kids, and hopefully give them a healthy life.

the problem is that its hard to VALUE the job of a basketball player (none of whom are actually the problem).. so we pay them rediculous money to throw a ball around, and then we dont see whats wrong with the guy who pays HIM making 1000 times more.

but it artificially poisons the well, and frankly its not even beneficial to that guy who is making all that money. when prices are unreasonably inflated (because a select number are willing to pay more) eventually the price of everything rises to meet the AVERAGE demand... and for that reason and others the cost of healthcare becomes unmanageable, and people SPREAD DISEASE TO EVERYONE RAMPANTLY.

note: we have more cold/flu/contagious bullshit than most countries partially due to this.

it creates problems on every layer. you want out of the system? stop complaining about pedro and pay off your house, buy some solar panels homestead your house and learn to farm... you will no longer need to worry about pedro stealing your job.

its all just a pile of artificial bullshit. if you are angry at mexicans and black people you are too busy fighting each other to realize that other people are fucking with your life for real.

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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: D.M.T]
    #21706092 - 05/21/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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D.M.T said:

rxb is just being facetious because he has ran out of rebuttals.




no i was being a dick because im tired of the pervasive usage of the wrong terms.... i do it too sometimes and it annoys the shit out of me.

for the record i'm NEVER Out of rebuttals. :smile:

i'm sometimes just out of fucks of low enough quality to be willing to give away.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706157 - 05/21/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.

Basically what you said comes off to me like you're saying that what pedro is doing might not be right, but it is the way it is because the entire system is fucked with the way it operates, and I fully agree on that.

I'm not angry at any color of people, I just notice how them being here illegally effects a lot of people in the industry I'm in, and even if it isn't directly their fault, it's still the result of what's happening. I realize the prison I'm living in everyday and how much we're being fucked in almost all aspects, but there's almost nothing I can do to change the system so like everyone else I'm stuck playing the game with no way out.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706209 - 05/21/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship




Again, i don't know whee you live or what you do for work, but i am in the construction field.  My work is dead on nuts.  Every time.  Because thats how it is supposed to be.  I charge $800-$1100 to replace a water heater.  The heater itself costs about $500.  The other parts necessary for code tend to cost somewhere between another $50-$200.  so the labor cost to hire me to install a new water heater is about 200-300 bucks.  For that price, i will pick up the heater, drive it to your house, take out the old heater, install the new one, and haul the old one away.  That is cheap as hell.  My old landlord hired a guy off the corner to put in her new water heater, because she thought i was too expensive.  She had to pick up the heater.  He didn't have the tools or materials necessary to do the job.  He installed the heater on an unlevel surface with no earthquake straps.  He reused the old fucked up water supply lines.  He did not install an expansion tank.  He did not install a drip leg on the gas inlet.  He did not install a smitty pan.  He did not run the Temperature and pressure relief drain to the outside, or even to the floor. But he did it for $60.  This guy is a monster, who left the job in a completely unsafe condition, and when someone gets burned by the T&P or when it floods out the garage, the guy is gonna be nowhere to be found.
But i guess thats great because the homeowner got to "save" $140




Ok great story, yeah you convinced me that everyone from that guys country is just like him. Hey if you make the guy black, you could totally reuse this in one of the pubs regular threads about lazy black people.

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I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.




A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21706217 - 05/21/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it does effect a lot of people.

BECAUSE its fucked up on the OTHER end.

so we notice it on OUR end (i barely count, but im not a millionaire)...

its like yelling at the guy who wants to look at your receipt as you leave walmart (dont let him by the way you arent in germany)... dont yell at the guy for doing his job, inform him its a violation of your right to privacy and keep walking. if he suspects you of anything he can call the cops.

that fucker isnt the one to blame, walmart is. but you get mad at the fucker in front of you.

wrong wrong.... wrong.

same is true of illegal workers. green cards expire, and they take forever to process, i knew a guy who turned in his paperwork, was still waiting after A YEAR. and has lived here paid taxes here, went to school here, ALL HIS LIFE.

where is he SUPPOSED TO GO, when he turned in his paper work a year ago, and has no papers.... and HAS LIVED HERE FOR 30 YEARS.

/sarcasm/ yes he is the problem /sarcasm/

the fact is this system is fucked. and pedro did not fuck it up.

pedro is a native american (even tho none want to admit it because thats a social taboo), and his ancestors could have picked cotton all they want, if the fucking illegal alliens with guns and small pox didnt slaughter and oppress them.

now the children of those illegal aliens call pedro and illegal alien... and fuck him up even more.

what the fuck ever.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: koods]
    #21706246 - 05/21/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Idk, I don't have the answers, and I'm not educated enough in the subject to really try to argue anything, it just pains me when I see someone I've known or even people I've just met basically holding back tears while telling me they can't find a job and pay for their kids/house among many other things because no one will employ them for a normal wage, or a living wage, I'm probably just really naive but it just hurts me seeing other people suffer, and this particular subject is something I have people talk to me about almost daily and wish I could do something to help all of them , including pedro if he needed food or anything for his family since that's why he's here working illegally most of the time.

This system just sucks all around, and I've seen too many people struggling to get by, illegal immigrants included. as they are people too, and it truly is upsetting to me.

I can't help but sympathize with both sides, since I have love for all people, but idk man, this world blows and that's about all I can say.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: rxb]
    #21706344 - 05/21/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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so long as we have policy in place that maintains wealth gaps which are the highest in the world, you will have people worried about what illiterate pedro is doing picking cotton in a field for $5 an hour.

the fact that people are angry at pedro is retarded. pedro wants to feed his kids, and hopefully give them a healthy life.

the problem is that its hard to VALUE the job of a basketball player (none of whom are actually the problem).. so we pay them rediculous money to throw a ball around, and then we dont see whats wrong with the guy who pays HIM making 1000 times more.

but it artificially poisons the well, and frankly its not even beneficial to that guy who is making all that money. when prices are unreasonably inflated (because a select number are willing to pay more) eventually the price of everything rises to meet the AVERAGE demand... and for that reason and others the cost of healthcare becomes unmanageable, and people SPREAD DISEASE TO EVERYONE RAMPANTLY.

note: we have more cold/flu/contagious bullshit than most countries partially due to this.

it creates problems on every layer. you want out of the system? stop complaining about pedro and pay off your house, buy some solar panels homestead your house and learn to farm... you will no longer need to worry about pedro stealing your job.

its all just a pile of artificial bullshit. if you are angry at mexicans and black people you are too busy fighting each other to realize that other people are fucking with your life for real.

sheeple dont have to be sheeple




"the fact that people are angry at pedro is retarded"

We are angry at the policy that allows him to cross the border and stay in the US, BTW Pedro did break US law crossing the border illegally while many others went through a LEGAL process to stay in the US.

Your line of reasoning is that since there are rich people in the US then we should be blaming them for a lower standard of living instead of the illegals entering the US?  Do you know how silly that argument is? 

"Blame Bill Gates for your situation because illegal workers really shouldn't have any impact on your standard of living"  :flowstone:

All you are doing is pulling these silly notions out of your ass, they have no basis in reality my friend.


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Re: working as an illegal back breaking work [Re: qman]
    #21706380 - 05/21/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

1) friendship isnt involved.

2) its not that there are rich people, its that the wealth gap is too large to support this country.

its not bullshit, you are assuming it is. but thats because you either dont want to look at the data or you havent been shown any. if its the latter i can surely start you off on the right path.

but my guess is that you are too involved in your hypnosis to even want to see it, or to be willing to look objectively for yourself.

in countries with lower income gaps, there is less poverty, less unimployment, better education..better HEALTH ALL AROUND... even for the ultra rich.... etc etc.

the data is there.

its not wealth creation thats a problem its wealth holding. hire people to build roads and skyscrapers and your wealth is a benefit... buy a yacht, its a draw back... have 20 empty houses... draw back.... build a company that revests its profits into new hires and rasises (benefit) build a company that pays its profits mostly in dividends.... (drain)...

the math is there.

blaming pedro is dumb...

immigration isnt a left or right issue... reagan (amnesty)... gwb (amnesty)... obama (no amnesty)... but clinton did.... shrug... its bipartesen.

but the problem isnt one of the poor people who want to work.

thats the dumbest thing anyone could ever say

"someone wanting to work is a problem"

:rolleyes:

the problem is that instead of paying fair wages, people would rather take more profits.

they have a hard time living on 1 billion a year.

and fuck bill gates being the bigest charitable donater... HALF HIS FUCKING DONATIONS ARE ADVERTISEMENTS

he is 1) giving people computers which run his software

and  2) what he gives is like if you gave $20 a year.

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