MarkostheGnostic said:
What you are calling Luciferian is actually part-and-parcel Gnostic myth, Valentinian and Orphic, whereas the Demiurge is a lion-headed serpent among the Sethians. But, 'shining one' is often identified with 'light bearer,' i.e., Lucifer in Latin, Phosphorus in Greek. http://www.theforbiddenreligion.com/the-serpent-of-salvation.htm#.UxzZ2tyl528
I don't know where you get this from, perhaps it is your own contention: For the Christians they believed psychedelic mushrooms came from above from their sky god and so their cosmogony was geared to ascension, because remember their myth tells them nature is fallen and must be put right in some future By their sky god. The only archeological evidence that I am familiar with is Franco Fabbro's work: http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm ; But this is a basilica, and clearly not early, Ante-Nicean Christians, which included Gnostic Christians before they were persecuted by a religious movement already corrupted by men intoxicated with power and visions of world conquest.
This is only one aspect of Gnostic religion: The roots of Luciferianism come from the ancient solar-pagan mystery schools which had a dualistic philosophy which believed 'spirit' was imprisoned in 'matter' and through 'purification' rituals eventually the trapped spirit would be set free and ascend to some spiritual home in the stars.
See the 'Dualism and monism' part of this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism ; Gnostic religion is a vast subject, and the various schools have diverse takes on Ultimate Reality, so it is uncritical for you to make a blanket statement such as this. It just isn't accurate.
Additionally, I think you may be conflating Gnostic religion (which you choose to call Luciferianism) with the Lucis Trust (formerly Lucifer Trust) which some Christian groups want to view as an Illuminati, a Freemasonry conspiracy of Lucifer worshippers (derived from comments made by Freemason Albert Pike in his important masonic text Moral and Dogma). This idea of present day Gnostics clearly is not representative of those with Gnostic leanings, as I do:
For the Luciferians however, who SEEM--to accept the fruit mean more openly for themselves, as an elite group, but their emphasis is on the mind, and intellectual knowledge, not the heart and empathy. Using the occult and black magic to control others and nature which they believe is their right, because they believe they are more highly evolved than everyone else, and this is why they also as the ruling body following the Luciferian religion banned psychedelics in their central headquarters, the UN building, in the early, 1970s annouincing into their insane law that the psychedelics had no medicinal value, and even therapists could not use them, and making them a class A controlled drug along with 'hard' drugs! This is their so-called 'war on drugs' including psychedelics, and thus a war on consciousness, and spirituality.
The Gnostics were all about spiritual freedom. Sometimes it manifested as libertinism, but more often it was ascetical in nature. Black magick has nothing to do with any Gnostic school that I have learned of. Moreover, unless you have intentionally conflated certain Gnostic symbols of the serpent or the crucified serpent (because the serpent was symbolic for wisdom and healing, as well as for evil ["...be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves]) - Matthew 10:16), with Lucifer worshippers, I have never known a Gnostic sect to be called that. Luciferianism sounds to me from what you have written as Satanism, even though you have drawn upon some classic Gnostic Genesis myths. No matter. Even Anton Szandor LaVey, the former 'High Priest of Satan' drew upon Gnostic sources, but he was more defined by Enochian magic.
Lastly, this is warned against, not only by Paul's invective against 'knowledge that puffeth up a man,' but from within Gnostic circles, Jewish and Christian. Morally unprepared people could succumb to ego-inflation of the worst kind: because they believe they are more highly evolved than everyone else. The divisions of Valentinus into Hylics, Psychics, and Pneumatics was indeed an observation of people as materialists, believers, and knowers, respectively. Gnosis can potentially result in ego-inflation, yet humility, celibacy, vegetarianism, and other self-humbling characteristics were still evidence of 'spiritual fruit' among the Gnostics. Clearly, there were inflated charismatic cult-leaders even in those days like Simon Magus (Act 8:9-24), Magus is a title which means magician. A flying magician seems more midrashic than historical, but that goes for all biblical writ. True Gnostics were much more like depth-psychologists, akin to the Essenes and Therapeutae.
Your entitled to the way you see things, but we obviously differ. I look at what I am seeing and try and not get lost in words words words. I am seeing nature being totally disrespected, and the ones in power follow a Luciferian religion. it is the idea that Lucifer represents themselves[/i. They worship their own minds as being more highly evolved than other peoples. They have terms for 'the people' that are mostly derogatory, such as "useless eaters", "the rabble", " the masses" " the great unwashed" "oinks" "savages" "non-people" etc. Obviously myth drives these people and it is this myth of themselves as gods, apotheosis. There are many clues to this I could give you from things they say, in speeches and what have you which spell this attitude out.
These fuckers test our nuclear weapons on their fellow humans and all life and think they have a right. They are absolutely evil, and this is why I like to learn about and expose their myth. IF they were 'monist' or whatever and respected nature their actions would reflect that, but they do not.
Luciferianism: The Religion of Apotheosis
& audio interview
As for the Christian belief that psychoactive mushrooms came from above I recommend you read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (but don't buy it from Amazon. they treat their staff like shit) by John Allegro. They did not have technology, as in microscopes that detected spores and so assumed that mushrooms magically appeared after thunderstorms, and this is where the mythic motif of the "fallen angels" somes from also, "angels/messengers" referring to mind-altering 'sacred' mushrooms which being solar phallocentric male fertility cult assumed their sky god was a penis and his sperm was most powerful in certain plants, especially phallic-looking mushrooms, their "sons of God" and their "Word made flesh".
In Goddess mythology of course the cosmogony is radically different. The Great Mother was Earth and the heavens/Cosmos, and therefore there was no dualistic assumption of a 'fallen nature' and 'heaven'. The Tree of Life and its guardian serpent and sacred fruit were gifts from the Great Mother, and the Celebrants who ate the fruit did not dream of escaping the body and nature but rather diving deep into Her Mysteries, possessed by her son/lover and god of nature
This is how I trip anyhow lol
Edited by zzripz (03/09/14 05:00 PM)
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