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Hygrocybe
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How to avoid tick-borne diseases 1
#18059851 - 04/04/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushrooms and ticks share habitat and favor the same moist conditions. Ticks carry numerous debilitating diseases that can be difficult to treat, and a doctor may not recognize the symptoms of these infections in either the acute or chronic stages. Have a look at the Lyme disease thread if you'd like to see how shroomers are coping with tick-borne diseases.
Ideally, you should not find ticks on yourself when adequately protected by repellents and insecticides. Nymphal ticks are difficult to see, and the larva (nearly impossible to see without close examination) can be infectious as well. Removal of the tick within 24 hours of a bite lowers the risk of infection, but there are still conditions like alpha-gal allergy that are transmitted by saliva.
A combination of permethrin and DEET offers the most effective protection. Permethrin can be purchased in high concentrations and diluted (0.5% is used for clothing) to make treatment more economical. Sulphur is the best organic option if you don't mind your clothing permanently smelling of it, as well as residual odor on your body after washing. Gaiters are flexible garmets that can be worn over the lower legs and shoes to prevent debris from falling into shoes when pant legs are tucked into socks, some are sold pre-treated with permethrin.
DEET works against mosquitoes about 2 hours at 10% and 5 hours at ≥23.8%. It damages plastics and polyester, and is absorbed through the skin. Permethrin lasts much longer, up to six weeks, but is more toxic to mammals when wet, and can only be applied to clothing or gear. Sunlight and oxygen cause it to break down.
In addition to Lyme disease, you should know the symptoms of other infections ticks carry, which may be subtle and change over time.

Areas with fewer reports should not be assumed any safer, because doctors in those locations may be less likely to consider TBDs as a differential diagnosis.
http://www.tickencounter.org has more information about prevention.
Clothing
- Long pants. The legs should be long enough to reach the ground behind the heel while barefoot. The reason for this is to have enough length to always cover the ankles when the knee is raised.
- Full brim hat. These are sold as fishing or boonie hats.
- Long sleeved shirt if it isn't too hot.
- Gaiters to cover the lower legs and entry via the shoes. There are varieties designed to slow ticks as they attempt to crawl, increasing their exposure to permethrin.
- Stockings. RynoSkin is a specialty line that makes shirts as well.
Procedure
- Tuck your shirt into your pants.
- Spray all exposed skin, except face, with ~12% DEET. Cover your face with the hat when spraying the neck. Reapply after 2 hours.
- Spray socks, hat, and other clothing with >23% DEET. Reapply before 5 hours.
- Use permethrin on gear.
Bites will itch if you have previous exposure to tick bites, check carefully if an itch is persistent. I've been bitten on the webbing of my hands and toes, and twice on an elbow, always after waiting more than 5 hours to reapply DEET. Ticks prefer these areas where the skin is softer or more humid. Use tweezers to slowly and firmly pull the tick loose by its mouth; don't twist, yank, crush, douse with alcohol, or cleanse with fire. The tick may regurgitate if you harm it during removal, such as by grasping its abdomen, increasing your chances of infection. Clean the bite area after removal.
Use a mirror to check all areas of the body after returning from the field. Delousing can be a fun way to build trust and intimacy with a partner. Put your clothes into the wash immediately, or into a closed bag treated with permethrin. Dry clothes on high heat for an hour to kill any ticks that came through the wash. Some suggest putting clothes directly into the dryer, though this isn't practical if your clothing ends up muddy.
Edited by Hygrocybe (05/06/18 03:34 PM)
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Hygrocybe]
#18059887 - 04/04/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hygrocybe said: Delousing can be a fun way to build trust and intimacy with a partner.
It's also a good summer camp pickup line: "Hey, we should go do a tick check"  Or a variation of that, as long as it implies getting naked.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Redpill]
#18059896 - 04/04/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think there is a country song called "I'd like to check you for ticks".
Good write up, thank you OP.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Tmethyl]
#18060042 - 04/04/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My dog got one a few years back, got really sick (they are commonly fatal to dogs) so we took her to the vet. It was removed and had grown to the size of my dads thumbnail, I've only had one behind my ear which was a prick to remove.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Hygrocybe]
#18060406 - 04/04/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Powdered sulfur is a good tick repellent it can be bought at drugstores and animal feed stores.
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Tmethyl
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: falcon]
#18060417 - 04/04/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bet that smells great.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: elborito]
#18060423 - 04/04/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had one on my taint once. That bugger sucked to get off. Tweezers kept pinching skin..
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Tmethyl
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Roman08640]
#18060426 - 04/04/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Roman08640 said: I had one on my taint once. That bugger sucked to get off. Tweezers kept pinching skin..
Me too, sadly. I've also had leeches.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Tmethyl]
#18060437 - 04/04/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ha, yeah, I haven't this, but you don't have to cover your body with it so it's not gonna be that bad. It's only on your extremities, in your socks, cuffs and also around around your waist.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: falcon]
#18061836 - 04/05/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My procedure is to pull my socks over my pant leg, spray them with DEET, and then pull the pant leg up out of the socks. This gets the entire sock covered in DEET without getting the spray on my skin. Next I spray the pants themselves and the rest of my clothes. I use a ~15% concentration on my arms and neck, and cover my face with a hat while spraying so the DEET stays out of my mouth and eyes. Then I spray the hat. For shoes I use permethrin. I've never had a tick go up my leg when following these steps and reapplying after 5 hours.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Hygrocybe]
#18061847 - 04/05/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i come home with a ridiculous amount of ticks on me, no matter what i do... usually at least 20, after every hunt in the summer. it fucking sucks.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: bloodworm]
#18061855 - 04/05/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i do agree though... your socks and ankles are most important... make sure to change your socks as soon as you get home!! also, a great habitat for chiggers... FUCK TICKS, FUCK CHIGGERS!! they are the STD's of mushroom hunting.
Edited by bloodworm (04/05/13 10:26 AM)
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: bloodworm]
#18061868 - 04/05/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I often wonder what Native americans used to combat the ticks, or how they dealt with them. They had no repellents. Maybe some mud? There were Native indians in our area Bloodworm, and I bet there was even more ticks back then due to higher concentrations of hosts. I've found 1 arrow head and 1 spear head during mushrooms hunts, both were in a washout areas, from rain water.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Tmethyl]
#18061886 - 04/05/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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word. you are right. i see the ticks crawling on me as i hunt. i hunt in one of those areas that harbored native americans on almost a daily basis in the summer. i don't know. i also know a lot of homeless people that live in the woods. they however, have access to repellent, but most don't use it...
i'm more afraid of snakes and gators than tick-borne illness... but, i'm sure diseases caused by ticks are more prevalent in this area.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: bloodworm]
#18062077 - 04/05/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The natives culled the deer which kept the tick population low, and used burns to remove underbrush. They were quite advanced in ecology, far beyond what Europeans had achieved. Up to 90% of them were killed by the various European diseases, leaving the environment they managed in turmoil. Read '1491' if you want to learn more about this history.
Blood, I recommend using permethrin if DEET isn't working. You can use leg warmer type double coverings to avoid having your skin in contact with it. Cut the toes off two socks, soak them in 3oz permethrin, let dry for 24 hours, then pull them over your pants. Keep them in a bag when not in use to prevent light and oxygen from breaking down the permethrin, they should work for about 6 weeks.
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Hygrocybe]
#18062085 - 04/05/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hygrocybe said: The natives culled the deer which kept the tick population low, and used burns to remove underbrush. They were quite advanced in ecology, far beyond what Europeans had achieved. Up to 90% of them were killed by the various European diseases, leaving the environment they managed in turmoil. Read '1491' if you want to learn more about this history.
Blood, I recommend using permethrin if DEET isn't working. You can use leg warmer type double coverings to avoid having your skin in contact with it. Cut the toes off two socks, soak them in 3oz permethrin, let dry for 24 hours, then pull them over your pants. Keep them in a bag when not in use to prevent light and oxygen from breaking down the permethrin, they should work for about 6 weeks.
wow!! 
thanks!!
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Hygrocybe]
#18062161 - 04/05/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Hygrocybe said: The natives culled the deer which kept the tick population low, and used burns to remove underbrush. They were quite advanced in ecology, far beyond what Europeans had achieved. Up to 90% of them were killed by the various European diseases, leaving the environment they managed in turmoil. Read '1491' if you want to learn more about this history.
Cool I'll definitely read that sometime soon
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Tmethyl]
#18063727 - 04/05/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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Roman08640 said: I had one on my taint once. That bugger sucked to get off. Tweezers kept pinching skin..
Me too, sadly. I've also had leeches. 
Fortunately I don't ever encounter ticks where I hunt, leeches are a guaranteed occurrence though. I'll often get down on the ground to get a good shot and get up with 5 or 6 trying to get some crimson Tex juice.
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I want some crimson Tex juice!
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Re: How to avoid tick-borne diseases [Re: Gravija]
#18063740 - 04/05/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am amazed some mornings that they don't fall off dead from alcohol poisoning.
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