ReadyMan said:

The only reason people believe in other peoples dreams at all, is because they themselves experience dreams. If other humans didn't have dreams, the dreamer would be labeled with schizophrenia, or some other mental issue.  Same goes with the psychedelic experience.

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Mr.Al said:

What are you talking aboot.

Folks have telepathic conversations all day long.

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Lol.  I'm sure you do, Mr.Al.  I'm sure you do.

Me, I'm lucky if I have one decent old-fashioned fuckin' mouth-to-mouth conversation in a given day.

I'll leave the telepathy for others.

Mr.Al said:

What, you telling me your Celestial Ears don't work?

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clam_dude said:

If something "supernatural" did exist, would it not then be part of the natural world?  Therefore, by definition, the supernatural is something which does not exist.

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trevorr said:

There's always more to every moment than we can perceive. Limited by our brain's capacity to experience it. Every thing is a lower dimensional representation of a higher plane. Know that you don't know.

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That's good advice, though "knowing that you don't know" is not the same as believing everything.  The great mystics and gurus do not surrender their intellects.  They do not stop questioning.

I believe, as I think you do, that there are planes of existence and understanding.  That what I perceive through my five senses is only part of the story.

But I also believe, with relative confidence, that there is no Santa Claus.

If ya get my meaning...

FishOilTheKid said:

But the modern Santa Claus has authentic roots.

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trevorr said:

clam_dude said:

If something "supernatural" did exist, would it not then be part of the natural world?  Therefore, by definition, the supernatural is something which does not exist.

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There's always more to every moment than we can perceive. Limited by our brain's capacity to experience it. Every thing is a lower dimensional representation of a higher plane. Know that you don't know.

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clam_dude said:

trevorr said:

clam_dude said:

If something "supernatural" did exist, would it not then be part of the natural world?  Therefore, by definition, the supernatural is something which does not exist.

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There's always more to every moment than we can perceive. Limited by our brain's capacity to experience it. Every thing is a lower dimensional representation of a higher plane. Know that you don't know.

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I will never understand why so many people equate skepticism with closed-mindedness.

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trevorr said:

is there that much of a difference? By definition, the skeptic is already shutting himself off from fully accepting anything he's told. even though he may find the right answer through skepticism every once in a while, the way life works is through believing and being open to experiences without defining your immediate perception in a way that makes you look for negatives. Dont assume one answer or another, and you wont close yourself off from the possibilities of the other answers

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trevorr said:

Dont assume one answer or another, and you wont close yourself off from the possibilities of the other answers

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clam_dude said:

trevorr said:

is there that much of a difference? By definition, the skeptic is already shutting himself off from fully accepting anything he's told. even though he may find the right answer through skepticism every once in a while, the way life works is through believing and being open to experiences without defining your immediate perception in a way that makes you look for negatives. Dont assume one answer or another, and you wont close yourself off from the possibilities of the other answers

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Skepticism means not assuming things without evidence.  Why would you say that skeptics "assume" things that they shouldn't?  Someone who believes in ghosts is assuming things they shouldn't.  I'm just as open to possibilities and experiences as the next person.  But it doesn't follow that I can just believe anything I want.

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trevorr said:

clam_dude said:

trevorr said:

is there that much of a difference? By definition, the skeptic is already shutting himself off from fully accepting anything he's told. even though he may find the right answer through skepticism every once in a while, the way life works is through believing and being open to experiences without defining your immediate perception in a way that makes you look for negatives. Dont assume one answer or another, and you wont close yourself off from the possibilities of the other answers

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Skepticism means not assuming things without evidence.  Why would you say that skeptics "assume" things that they shouldn't?  Someone who believes in ghosts is assuming things they shouldn't.  I'm just as open to possibilities and experiences as the next person.  But it doesn't follow that I can just believe anything I want.

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There are things that are true that we may never find evidence for, and those things might be as if not more important than anything else.

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clam_dude said:

trevorr said:

clam_dude said:

trevorr said:

is there that much of a difference? By definition, the skeptic is already shutting himself off from fully accepting anything he's told. even though he may find the right answer through skepticism every once in a while, the way life works is through believing and being open to experiences without defining your immediate perception in a way that makes you look for negatives. Dont assume one answer or another, and you wont close yourself off from the possibilities of the other answers

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Skepticism means not assuming things without evidence.  Why would you say that skeptics "assume" things that they shouldn't?  Someone who believes in ghosts is assuming things they shouldn't.  I'm just as open to possibilities and experiences as the next person.  But it doesn't follow that I can just believe anything I want.

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There are things that are true that we may never find evidence for, and those things might be as if not more important than anything else.

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Yup, and there are things which exist that we haven't even conceived of.  So how can we even discuss those things?  And if there isn't evidence for something, why would you believe in it?

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