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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: wrestler_az]
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the order in which things were created in the bible are in the same order as they supposedly evolved


Umm, no. You might want to go back and reread that.

He creates heaven and earth. Then night and day. Then land. Then grass, then fruit trees. Then evening and morning. Then he made creatures in the water, and birds at the same time. Then whales and moving animals, and more birds.

Then cattle and creeping animals. Then he made humans.

This doesn't come anywhere close to following what we know about how life evolved.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Phluck]
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The talking snake in the Bible should have been a good hint that the Bible is metaphorical. Amazing how much people never got this.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Smack31]
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and for the people that believe in evolution as and deny creation... what did we evolve from, there had to be some point at which something was created in order for it to evolve


Well, look it up. Nobody knows exactly how the earliest life formed, but there are simple amino acids that could conceivably be put together into a simple life form though chemical reactions. It doesn't have to be magically "created".

It has been theorized that new life has been created from scratch regularly in some of the underwater steam vents.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Phluck]
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
First off, you might want to read some of the writings by famous atheists like Richard Dawkins, they go into a lot more detail.


Interesting.  Dawkins has admitted natural selection is a matter of faith for him:

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Natural selection, um, well, I suppose that is a sort of matter of faith on my, on my part since the theory is so coherent and so powerful.

~ Richard Dawkins

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Atheism_Tapes/Richard_Dawkins


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Phluck said:
First off, you might want to read some of the writings by famous atheists like Richard Dawkins, they go into a lot more detail.


No thanks.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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If you don't expose yourself to both sides of an argument how can you tell which side is correct, or if neither are?


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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I already know which side is correct. I am not curious about what makes an atheist tick.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: beatlesrock]
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How many people are atheists because the big religions embarrass them? I bet there's loads of people who don't have a strong opinion on it, they just see "Hey, this is a viable alternative. Never heard of the atheist crusades, or the freethinker jihad"


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Anonymous]
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So what made the universe? For me I say I don't know. religious people say a god made the universe. but then who made god? It'll just go on forever, so let's just be mystified with why we're all here without having to blame another concious being.

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."
  - [Carl Sagan]

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
It is not about having faith that there is no god.




Then your either an agnostic or confused.


Unless your one of the atheists who insists they are agnostic, you are taking it on faith or confused logic.



Demonstrate their is no god.  You can't, therefore if you claim to logically hold he doesn't exist you are wrong and must have faith or confusion as the basis.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
Phluck said:
It is not about having faith that there is no god.




Then your either an agnostic or confused.


Unless your one of the atheists who insists they are agnostic, you are taking it on faith or confused logic.



Demonstrate their is no god.  You can't, therefore if you claim to logically hold he doesn't exist you are wrong and must have faith or confusion as the basis.


Yep.  Nice one.  :thumbup:


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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I resent being classified in terms of what I am are not. Terms like non-white, non-christian are offensive. Perhaps the term non-god believer is the same.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
I already know which side is correct. I am not curious about what makes an atheist tick.


Such iron-clad certainty.  Always good to see dogma superior to rationality.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
mad_cow said:
I already know which side is correct. I am not curious about what makes an atheist tick.


Such iron-clad certainty.  Always good to see dogma superior to rationality.


Assumptions, you know what they say about that don't you? I have no dogma and am rational. Try again.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
Assumptions, you know what they say about that don't you? I have no dogma and am rational. Try again.


I would consider 'knowing' the truth to be the definition of dogma.  I am rational and am also aware that I do not know anything for certain except for the fact that I exist; all other beliefs I have are merely guesses supported by evidence and not facts.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Edited for misread*

There are two definitions of atheism

the doctrine or belief that there is no God
a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Agnostic comes up with

someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something
of or pertaining to an agnostic or agnosticism
a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)
uncertain of all claims to knowledge


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
There are two definitions of atheism

the doctrine or belief that there is no God
a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods


The second option isn't very coherent.  It obviously rules out the possibility that I'm a theist, but I could also either believe that there is no God or remain agnostic.  It certainly doesn't communicate atheism in the strong sense.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
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Atheist is not believing is god (probably along with doubt)
Agnostic is on the fence

That's my definition. :shrug:

Atheism in the strong sense is pretty ridiculous anyway.


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Edited by Grapefruit (05/04/09 01:53 PM)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
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Humans are born atheist...


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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