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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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None of us here are pissed off at you, why should you be mad at us? :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
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I stated facts, If you can't handle that you are in the wrong forum.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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Everything that you stated was rebutted, and that's when you got angry and refused to continue on with the debate. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
I said it is from things that have happened to me. How can you call that irrational?


Since you asked: I can call it irrational because you haven't actually communicated a rational thought. You've hinted that you might have something you consider to be evidence hidden away somewhere, but you haven't shared it and you haven't related it to your point. That's not rationality.


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Weedmaster P knows the truth.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
None of us here are pissed off at you, why should you be mad at us? :shrug:



Well poid, why don't you spend an evening like I have had then answer that question yourself.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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I'm sorry that you've had a bad day, but there's no sense in taking it out on me. I wasn't needling you or purposefully trying to piss you off, and the reason I enjoy frequenting this forum is to engage in debate. That is all. :levitate:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (05/04/09 07:41 PM)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
mad_cow said:
I said it is from things that have happened to me. How can you call that irrational?


Since you asked: I can call it irrational because you haven't actually communicated a rational thought. You've hinted that you might have something you consider to be evidence hidden away somewhere, but you haven't shared it and you haven't related it to your point. That's not rationality.


Because I haven't told you means it is irrational. Sound logical to me. Not. The evidence is in my memories. At this point I am not sharing anything. If that makes you thing my beliefs are irrational, so be it. I don't see how you could draw that conclusion. I think you will draw that conclusion because you feel your logic precludes anything I could possibly say. Do you think there is anything anyone could ever say to sway you?

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I'm sorry that you've had a bad day, but there's no sense on taking it out on me. I wasn't needling you or purposefully trying to piss you off, and the reason I enjoy frequenting this forum is to engage in debate. That is all. :levitate:


It wasn't you so much.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
Because I haven't told you means it is irrational.


No, but it does mean that you haven't COMMUNICATED rationally. Do you seriously expect me to just take your word for it? For me to hear you say "I believe this but won't say why" and just be good with that? Do you really think that's how a discussion works?

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Sound logical to me. Not. The evidence is in my memories. At this point I am not sharing anything. If that makes you thing my beliefs are irrational, so be it. I don't see how you could draw that conclusion. I think you will draw that conclusion because you feel your logic precludes anything I could possibly say. Do you think there is anything anyone could ever say to sway you?


There are literally an infinite number of things you could say to sway me. The thing is that you refuse to say them -- you refuse to say anything. You just reiterate your belief, get offended, and act defensive. I don't know how you expect that to be persuasive. If you want to change my mind, then GIVE IT A SHOT. Don't just get angry.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
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I don't expect you to take my word for it. I don't care what you think. I don't want to change your mind, once again I don't care what you believe. This was not about beliefs it was about this crap I found insulting.

deCypher said:
mad_cow said:
I already know which side is correct. I am not curious about what makes an atheist tick.


Such iron-clad certainty.  Always good to see dogma superior to rationality.


laserpig said:
mad_cow said:
Prove that you exist.


I'm sorry, but this is the dumbest shit a person can say when arguing with an atheist.
You are talking to the person, how the fuck do you justify challenging their existence?


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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Out of all sincerity, mad_cow, I am very interested in hearing about your experiences. You should post them in the 'Mysticism and the Paranormal' forum; over there, nobody is going to talk shit about you or your experiences, so it's a safe place to speak about that sort of stuff! :yesnod:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Glenners]
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how people speak about their understandings of the universe can be very different from each other.
the terms may not mesh, may clash, may contradict - they may even compel and confuse deliberately.

but a person, 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 arms etc... is very similar to another and may actually feel quite similar in relation to issues bigger than us, and toward time scales that are larger and smaller than we can think of.

once words are chosen, the commonality of feeling, and of our place in the cosmos often collapses unless teams of like thinkers form and hopefully you are lucky to be on the holy team.

I think this team thing forces the mind to collapse into unthinking, and this happens, I think, in the social pressure of gay society too, as if one could be only gay vs. only straight, or only god fearing vs. only atheistic.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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If you don't want to know what we think, and you don't want us to know what you think ... why are you posting?

I'm sorry I used some expletives in responding to what I saw (and still see) as poor argument. Once I found out you were so damn sensitive I tried to back off, but you refuse to calm down and accept the fact that we weren't attacking you personally.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Out of all sincerity, mad_cow, I am very interested in hearing about your experiences. You should post them in the 'Mysticism and the Paranormal' forum; over there, nobody is going to talk shit about you or your experiences, so it's a safe place to speak about that sort of stuff! :yesnod:


I'm taking my ball and going home.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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I wasn't making fun at all, I think you're taking my words the wrong way.  :dragonballz:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
If you don't want to know what we think, and you don't want us to know what you think ... why are you posting?

I'm sorry I used some expletives in responding to what I saw (and still see) as poor argument. Once I found out you were so damn sensitive I tried to back off, but you refuse to calm down and accept the fact that we weren't attacking you personally.


Funny how this shit only happens in God threads, which I am staying out of. I have posted in plenty of other threads and I don't get the third degree.

Think of it this way. It feels like being a black person at a KKK meeting. All these people saying irrational and delusional and you should be glad to have your beliefs torn apart. That is all fun on your side. It ain't fun on this side.

I have plenty of people to discuss beliefs with, I made my mistake and learned my lesson.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I wasn't making fun at all, I think you're taking my words the wrong way.  :dragonballz:


I know.

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
Think of it this way. It feels like being a black person at a KKK meeting.


I felt the same way when I showed up at the latest astronomical conference to represent the Flat-Earthers.  :mad2:

Just kidding, of course.  I personally find great fun in holding the minority position and defending my beliefs against others: it builds good debate skills, tolerance when dealing with people, and a moderate temper.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
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mad_cow said:
Funny how this shit only happens in God threads, which I am staying out of. I have posted in plenty of other threads and I don't get the third degree.

Think of it this way. It feels like being a black person at a KKK meeting. All these people saying irrational and delusional and you should be glad to have your beliefs torn apart. That is all fun on your side. It ain't fun on this side.

I have plenty of people to discuss beliefs with, I made my mistake and learned my lesson.


Dude this does not have to be an unhappy thing. You're making it one now but that's not the only way it can be. If you want to turn the tables, all you have to do is start explaining why you believe what you believe. You believe what you believe for reasons right? Of course you do, nobody believes shit for no reason. This could become a friendly and intelligent discussion INSTANTLY -- all it takes is explanation.

I've never heard a rational theory supporting the existence of god, and I'm not confident one exists, but that doesn't mean I'm not open to the possibility. I would LOVE to be proven wrong ... so give it a shot. Just start explaining yourself. That's all it takes.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
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My 7th grade math teacher was part of the Flat World Society. He was also part of the 47 society. Weird, but cool dude...:cool2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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