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Invisiblematts
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882778 - 09/13/02 08:18 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882785 - 09/13/02 08:21 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

How bout this: mass.

Or this: anything that isn't nothing :smirk:


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #882806 - 09/13/02 08:26 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882808 - 09/13/02 08:27 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Thank you.  This is a bit different from the shoe string theory but, no matter. :wink:

If matter is as you have defined it then I know of no time in which it is being created or destroyed.  I am aware of certain exnihilation and annihilation but I do not think that atoms are what ToxicMan is talking about.

Let's wait and see, shall we? :smile:

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882816 - 09/13/02 08:30 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882817 - 09/13/02 08:31 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Define perception please.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882828 - 09/13/02 08:34 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882847 - 09/13/02 08:41 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

If you enjoy physics I have a present for you.

Go here

Enjoy, I doubt that you'll like it. :wink:

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882870 - 09/13/02 08:48 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

You assent to the interpretation portion of the term, perception, but did not indicate the portion which is recognition. Is there a reason why?

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882880 - 09/13/02 08:52 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882919 - 09/13/02 09:12 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Have you looked in a dictionary lately? You seem to be conflating interpretation with recognition.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #882924 - 09/13/02 09:15 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #882942 - 09/13/02 09:28 PM (19 years, 8 days ago)

I was using the primary or secondary meaning.  Your usage confuses rather than enlightens.

You don't get out much, do you? :grin:

Cheers and nice to meet you!


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: ]
    #883531 - 09/14/02 08:10 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Rather than put it into my own words, I'll post a link.

Here is an article which includes a bit on particle-antiparticle pair creation and destruction.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Smack31]
    #883542 - 09/14/02 08:17 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Smack u are a smart man, and serially wut is goin on with ppl in these threads? i dont CHOOSE not believe in a superior being its jus that if a superior being does exists dont u think he knows if u truly have faith or not? and i do not have a faith, so regardless whether he exists or not is of no consequence becuz the whole point of religion is to believe and that god is omnipotent and well i think if he was then that defeats the purpose of me lying to myself and i believe thats when we atheists become atheists, when we realize "if hes there he knows we dont truly believ so lets stop the bullshit". this is just one of many reasons why i am an atheist. another being that religion was created by MAN! therefore it is falliable and corrupt. im sorry but this is one of the giant reasons why i am an atheist, it is all the greed of MAN to bind their brethren, and i refuse to be another sheep following the false promise that is religion and its heaven. AND i am curious wheter u ask this question out of curiousity or out of disrespect, becuz it seems to me that everyday i find more and more ppl that judge even they preach that only GOD is fit, to judge and in the words of another shroomerite i think it was OoD "are u god?"


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: matts]
    #883662 - 09/14/02 09:40 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Sorry you took that seriously. I'll put more happy faces next time.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: chodamunky]
    #884216 - 09/15/02 10:00 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

It takes energy to keep your body functioning properly and not eroding away. The life energy you're talking about seems to be going somewhere....may I ask how and where to? That is how does it leave your dead body and where does it go? So in a sense I agree with your statement, energy transforms and it cannot be destroyed, what I'm saying is that it goes back in the earth.

Our energy comes from the food we eat, when we die, micro-organisms and bugs and worms eat us, and our energy becomes thiers.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: beatlesrock]
    #10282649 - 05/04/09 10:12 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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btw, i resent the idea that "God" is a man who lives in heaven behind pearly gates. i think that athiests think everyone who believes in god believes in this sort of being, this doer of good. but its not like that at all.




Clearly you don't understand atheism very well.

It is not about having faith that there is no god.
Do you believe that life comes from a giant sort of machine that spits out universes, each containing planets that have a seed destined to grow and evolve into a society? Why not? Does it take faith not to believe in this?

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btw, i resent the idea that "God" is a man who lives in heaven behind pearly gates.




Why? If you don't believe in that version, then you must have faith that its not true.


My point is that its not just specific detailed versions of God that are silly. The very concept doesn't come from any kind of evidence. God, no matter the definition is certainly not required to explain anything about the universe.

Conciousness and intelligence are human traits. I find it incredibly arrogant to think that these human traits are somehow a fundamental part of the universe. The universe would still be here without intelligence and conciousness, no matter the form.


First off, you might want to read some of the writings by famous atheists like Richard Dawkins, they go into a lot more detail. Most real atheists will admit that some people might technically call them agnostics.

Unlike a believer, if I were shown any real evidence that God existed, I would consider it. I would love to see this evidence, I would find it fascinating. However, I have seen no such evidence, and while I admit that it's not something that can be proven in any way, I don't see any more reason to believe in god than I do to believe in space unicorns.

Here's the thing, intelligence is neither intrinsically superior or inferior. Sure you can say one person or creature is smarter than the other one, but obviously that doesn't make them a higher power or anything.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Phluck]
    #10282673 - 05/04/09 10:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit, I was just thinking of you this weekend.  :eek:

I see a lot of ol' timers popping up now and then.  Weird.


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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10282682 - 05/04/09 10:20 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

let this topic die


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