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What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause
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Allright, so terence Mckenna died at a relatively young age of a strange and rare form of brain cancer. My friend insists its because he smoked way too much DMT. Terence expressed the possibility that it was due to his decades of daily cannabis use. What do you guys think?


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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Well first of all he really wasnt too young.

Its hard to say though. The doctors said they could not link the brain tumor to drug use and it was even said that it could not have been caused by drugs. But that is just what could not be linked. It is a certain possibility that it was caused by drugs.
Personally i think it was caused by drugs. But you have to remember Terrence McKenna did a WHOLE LOT of drugs. More that i will ever do in my lifetime. Plus, this sort of thing might not happen in everybody. Maybe it was his body's reaction to all the drugs. or maybe it was not the drugs at all.
I dont think marijuana can cause brain tumors, there have been no cases of it ever before. And DMT is a chemical that occurs naturally in your brain.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
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im sure that the drugs he did didnt cause the tumor to form, but they probably didnt help it any. highly unlikely that dmt would be bad for the brain, the brain makes dmt, duh. if anything it would have been one of the obscure drugs that no one knows about, there are literally thousands of them


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Infrared]
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Edited by Xibalba (09/30/05 12:49 AM)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Xibalba]
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Good, I agree with all of you on the DMT issue.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Noviseer]
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Didn't Carl Sagan die of the same type of rare tumor? Weren't they buds, sort of? Hmmm. A friend of mine relayed that info to me a little while ago when we were talking about McKenna's death. Anyone able to lead any credence to the link between him and Sagan?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: RANKSRAGGY68]
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leary died of some type of cancer too didn't he?


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: RANKSRAGGY68]
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I've always worried that heavy weed smoking was the cause. Check this out, the following men were everyday pot smokers who, after several years, died of rare cancers:

Terence McKenna, Bob Marley, and drummer Buddy Rich (and I think you're right, Carl Sagan).

Buddy Rich died of brain cancer and believed his cannabis usage was the cause (sounded just like McKenna). It worries me because I've been a heavy weed smoker for about 8 years. Maybe it's due to paraquat (the herbicide, don't know the spelling)?


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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Mckenna only used DMT 2-3 times a year.

Smoking something daily probably isn't good for some people.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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Drugs did not cause Terences death and neither did smoking pot.

Here is a picture of Terence and me when he first found out he had this tumor.

One year begfore his death.



mj

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mjshroomer]
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I wrote Terrence an email about two years before his passing and asked him a few questions about life, death, the universe, and all those potent questions we all wonder about. He told me that we should try to be as novel as possible in our Earthly lives.

I was quite surprised that he wrote me back. Very friendly.

http://mckenna.psychedelic-library.org/

peace.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: iglou]
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Thats incredible! Unfortunately I only heard of terence Mckenna after he had died. I would have loved to go see this guy speak somewhere.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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me too. he was an amazing person. i wish i could have heard leary talk. one of the FF of acid

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: crazycanadian]
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terrence didn't really do that many drugs though...

He did mushrooms lots for a while and then mellowed out to just a couple times a year or so. There are lots of way heavier drug users out there, and if his tumour was caused by drugs then more than 16 people a year would be diagnosed with his form of cancer.

I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Dogomush]
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Dogomush said:
terrence didn't really do that many drugs though...

He did mushrooms lots for a while and then mellowed out to just a couple times a year or so. There are lots of way heavier drug users out there, and if his tumour was caused by drugs then more than 16 people a year would be diagnosed with his form of cancer.

I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Sombie]
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indeed...he said he only did "substanisal" doses a few times a year after he stopped heavily using


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Dogomush]
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"I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes."

His doctor told him that cannabis should help to shrink the tumor and McKenna told him that he was a case study for proving that theory wrong. Go to his web site and read it for yourself. Apparently there is a fair amount of speculation in the medical community as well. Truth is we'll probably never know for certain the root cause of his cancer.



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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: AislingGheal]
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environmental factors probably...

perhaps he was exposed to high amounts of radiation unknowingly from some sort of power plant. maybe the ground water that he drank was contaminated and toxic. who knows?

but the cause of his cancer most definitely was not the psychoactive substances that he may of consumed.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mjshroomer]
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I remember reading somewhere that Bob Marley's brain tumor was assisted in its development by the amount of weed he was smoking effecting his immune system and its ability to attack tumors/growths, but I dont know if this was reputable info or not.
Certainly Terrance was a fantastic person and influence in modern philosophy (archaic revival!!).
It is food for thought that he did die of a rare type of brain cancer, when Aldous Huxley (who used LSD and various cacti alkaloids) and Timothy Leary also died of similar incipid cancers.


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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Zen Peddler]
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There certainly is evidence pointing toward drugs causing his death. There is evidence saying that it was not.
I think that if cannibus caused his tumor than many more people would have brain tumors, because there are a lot of people out there who smoke a lot of weed. There are still hippies out there that smokke everyday.
How do brain tumors occur anyway?

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