johnm214 said:

hoodbran said:

Cups said:

Poid said:

I'd like to hear some reasons why people think that Whites are, in general, inherently intellectually superior to colored people.

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Show me an majority black country that isn't a shit hole?

Personally knowing some razor sharp black folks I don't know what to make of it but it's true. 

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AFAIK alot of 3rd world/black country agricultural land is exploited by western countries to grow our wheat to feed our people and thus they rely on aid... So sure, they might be shit holes but remember who is keeping them this way.

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How the hell does wheat being grown for extranational interests make a country more of a shithole?  This seems to be simply anti-commerce nonsense.

You think they'd be better with nobody wanting anything to do with them or their resources, land?  Completely isolated?  At least extranational money employs people and supports some portion of their economy: the history of what happens when extranational companies are expelled from underdevloped countries reveals pretty clearly that its not a positive: Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, et cet 

All those socialist governments did this and then their economy fell to pieces and people starved due to having nothing to trade.  Fantastic thinking

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Hardly.

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Ethiopia is one of the hungriest countries in the world with 2.8 million people needing food aid, but paradoxically the government is offering at least 3m hectares of its most fertile land to rich countries and some of the world's most wealthy individuals to export food for their own populations.
The Guardian (An Independent Source)

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The agribusiness happening in Africa is far from anti-economy or anti-globalization perspectives.  Its a stark reality that is going on.  Exploting land (and it is fertile land) is simple really, when the world if full of human overflow; where else is Uncle Sam, or Good ol Blighty going to find enough terra to support themouths to feed?

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As for IQ, it's just a concept that doesn't measure what it claims to.

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Please back up your naked claim t hat IQ claims measure something but doesn't matter that which it claims.

This is not my understanding: it seems by definition to be a pretty nifty measure of apptitude- useful to assess relative performance of various people on the measuring instrument.

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As for blacks being outside the median for the general population on an intelligence quotient mean, is not to say such a test for equality of variances is actually true. The trouble with measures like these, is that, they are utterly ethnocentric and not really generalizable.

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Please justify your claim that "measures like these" are "utterly ethnocentric" and not justifiably assessing true relevant performance.

An example might be a relatively small, rural community.  With a relatively homogenous culture and community, it would seem difficult to justify your claim that realtive deviations of racially defined groups is not due to intelligence but is due to ethnocentric tests providing spurious answers.  How do you justify this?

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Arbitrary numbers designed by affluent whites to quantify just one aspect of "intelligence" IS ethnocentric. I'm just not 100% sure if you'd get reliable cross-cultural means by asking groups in PNG for example...

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These types of claims seem to serve as convieniant appolgists for poor performance of particular groups, and the rush to adopt such explanations seems to be politically, emotionally, motivated from my viewpoint.  People seem to want to believe this, which should always be an indicatino that their conclusions need to be carefully analyzed.

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hoodbran said:

johnm214 said:

How the hell does wheat being grown for extranational interests make a country more of a shithole?  This seems to be simply anti-commerce nonsense.

You think they'd be better with nobody wanting anything to do with them or their resources, land?  Completely isolated?  At least extranational money employs people and supports some portion of their economy: the history of what happens when extranational companies are expelled from underdevloped countries reveals pretty clearly that its not a positive: Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, et cet 

All those socialist governments did this and then their economy fell to pieces and people starved due to having nothing to trade.  Fantastic thinking

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Hardly.

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Ethiopia is one of the hungriest countries in the world with 2.8 million people needing food aid, but paradoxically the government is offering at least 3m hectares of its most fertile land to rich countries and some of the world's most wealthy individuals to export food for their own populations.
The Guardian (An Independent Source)

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The agribusiness happening in Africa is far from anti-economy or anti-globalization perspectives.  Its a stark reality that is going on.  Exploting land (and it is fertile land) is simple really, when the world if full of human overflow; where else is Uncle Sam, or Good ol Blighty going to find enough terra to support themouths to feed?

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These types of claims seem to serve as convieniant appolgists for poor performance of particular groups, and the rush to adopt such explanations seems to be politically, emotionally, motivated from my viewpoint.  People seem to want to believe this, which should always be an indicatino that their conclusions need to be carefully analyzed.

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Maybe its not the psychedelics that help people see through propaganda then

zzripz said:

I despair at some of the comments I have read under my last post! I feel sickened. Here's me researching for a blog i am calling 'can psychedelic help us see through propaganda?' and then see the comments here that would make a freakin ren neck blush>
SUCH racism! Such blindness and ignorance to what civilization is doing to planet earth, and aother species, and communities that are being totally exploited by this brutal mechanistic soul-dead mindset.

Such lack of empathy.

The sacred medicine has been completely useless for you. You make me despair for humanity when people such as yourselves continue in your decrepid rigid mean left-brained andocentric white supremacist tunnel-reality

Why do I think this has happened to the ones with the terrible views here?
Well...your condictioning is obviously to strong even for sacred medicine to resolve. MAYBE you choose wrong set and setting, I dont know I dont know you, but you are completely not getting it----enlightenment, and need to regroup. I am dead serious about this.

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zzripz said:

I despair at some of the comments I have read under my last post! I feel sickened. Here's me researching for a blog i am calling 'can psychedelic help us see through propaganda?' and then see the comments here that would make a freakin ren neck blush>
SUCH racism! Such blindness and ignorance to what civilization is doing to planet earth, and aother species, and communities that are being totally exploited by this brutal mechanistic soul-dead mindset.

Such lack of empathy.

The sacred medicine has been completely useless for you. You make me despair for humanity when people such as yourselves continue in your decrepid rigid mean left-brained andocentric white supremacist tunnel-reality

Why do I think this has happened to the ones with the terrible views here?
Well...your condictioning is obviously to strong even for sacred medicine to resolve. MAYBE you choose wrong set and setting, I dont know I dont know you, but you are completely not getting it----enlightenment, and need to regroup. I am dead serious about this.

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What's going on here, buddy?  You've written a lot but none of it resolves the problems with your post or the issues I've taken with it.  Plainly: its off topic.

What does me being racist, hating poor people, abusing sacred medicine, and all that crap have to do with anything? 

Despite it being off topic, why don't you go ahead and back up your claims of racist, white supremacist, qualities on my part?  That's a pretty signifigant accusation to be throwing around with out any support: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you actually mean this litterally and aren't just name calling.

There's a special kind of arrogance that is revealed when someone decides that a difference of opinion couldn't be a result of a disagreement on the merits, but rather must be because others are unenlightened, abusers ofsacred medicine (whatever that means), and racist (let alone a white supremacist).

Please back up your claims and also those of me being racist and a white supremacist.  Further, please explain what "sacred medicine" is and how you know I'm an abuser of it?


btw, when I ask for an explanation, it means something that isn't an obviously fallacious straw man argument like your last post

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No it is it is for many, including me, but obviously not the ones spoutin racist shit on this thread, and saying that bombing other humans etc and poisoning their water and land with toxic crap must mean that the ones who did it are 'intelligent'...??

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hoodbran said:

Philosophy, Sociology and Psychology forum. Other people's points of view are just as valid.

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As for everything else, well, I know all too well that talking to some people is analogous to talking to the walls.  So I give up, you win, go play.

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zzripz said:

I despair at some of the comments I have read under my last post! I feel sickened. Here's me researching for a blog i am calling 'can psychedelic help us see through propaganda?' and then see the comments here that would make a freakin ren neck blush>
SUCH racism! Such blindness and ignorance to what civilization is doing to planet earth, and aother species, and communities that are being totally exploited by this brutal mechanistic soul-dead mindset.

Such lack of empathy.

The sacred medicine has been completely useless for you. You make me despair for humanity when people such as yourselves continue in your decrepid rigid mean left-brained andocentric white supremacist tunnel-reality

Why do I think this has happened to the ones with the terrible views here?
Well...your condictioning is obviously to strong even for sacred medicine to resolve. MAYBE you choose wrong set and setting, I dont know I dont know you, but you are completely not getting it----enlightenment, and need to regroup. I am dead serious about this.

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I do believe that blacks in the US are less intelligent than whites in the average case.

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