johnm214 said:

To me the whole thing kinda doesn't matter.  I do believe blacks probably are more likely to be less intelligent than whites in the US, bassed on teh data I've seen, but even if this were integral to race, what would it matter?  Its plainly illegal for the US to be drawing any sort of distinctions legally along these lines (though not if the affirmative action people get their way, then its only "bad" racial policies that get banned)...

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johnm214 said:

...and isn't very useful from a practical point of view given the relatively small differences and large interpersonal variability.

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Poid said:

johnm214 said:

To me the whole thing kinda doesn't matter.  I do believe blacks probably are more likely to be less intelligent than whites in the US, bassed on teh data I've seen, but even if this were integral to race, what would it matter?  Its plainly illegal for the US to be drawing any sort of distinctions legally along these lines (though not if the affirmative action people get their way, then its only "bad" racial policies that get banned)...

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I don't totally agree with keeping such drawings of distinctions illegal for the US to draw--I think there are many unfair power balances, amongst many groups, not just racial ones, and I think the government should be able to intervene if things become to unfair for any given group.

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City Ripped for Dumbing Down PD Recruit Standard
Mar 19, 2011 9:27 PM EDT
An Ohio city's decision to lower testing standards for police recruits to increase the number of black officers is being blasted by other public safety professionals, including Connecticut firefighters who were part of a successful reverse discrimination case before the U.S. Supreme Court.

The city of Dayton is making it easier to pass its exam for police recruits as part of an agreement with the Department of Justice aimed at addressing the police department's low number of lack of black officers.

The two-part exam previously required candidates to score at least 66 percent and 72 percent to be considered for the job. The new scoring policy only requires job candidates to earn 58 percent and 63 percent failing marks by most academic standards.

The new policy stems from a 2008 lawsuit in which the Department of Justice under the Bush administration claimed Dayton was discriminatory in its testing practices for choosing police applicants.

The Dayton Civil Service Board said the new change means 748 people passed the most recent exam though the racial makeup of those who passed was not immediately available, the Dayton Daily News reports.

These individuals will undergo preliminary backgrounds and if successful will proceed to a structured oral interview, the Dayton Civil Service Board, which administers the exam, said in a written statement.

But the new score requirements were criticized this week by public safety workers outside the state, including members of the New Haven Fire Department whose 2009 civil rights lawsuit won before the high court. New Haven had decided to scrap a promotion exam because too few minorities had passed, but the Supreme Court later ruled that the move violated the civil rights of top-scoring white applicants.

Merit has to win out over race politics, Frank Ricci, a plaintiff in the New Haven case, said in an interview with FoxNews.com. In public safety positions, its critical we have the best person in those positions regardless of race.

Ricci, as well as fellow plaintiff Matthew Marcarelli, called the Dayton policy absolutely unfair and said the new rule should be repealed.

You want the best and brightest -- academically and physically -- on the street, Marcarelli said. This is dumbing down the requirements to be a police officer.

The DOJ says that officer qualifications can be determined in many ways and claims the Dayton police exam is flawed. The department also says that passing the test does not guarantee entrance into the police force applicants must also undergo an interview process.

The citys hiring process doesnt stop at the test, Department of Justice spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said.

Qualifications can, of course, be assessed in a number of ways, depending upon what abilities are needed for the job. For example, being able to memorize a test booklet doesn't mean an applicant has the emotional or physical capabilities to be a firefighter or police officer, she said.

The Dayton Police Department has declined to comment publicly on the matter. The department is in dire need of new recruits -- after the retirement of several officers and Hinojosa said the new rules will help the department meet its hiring needs quickly.

Through our agreement with Dayton, we will limit the exclusionary effect of the city's test while enabling the city to meet its urgent hiring needs and identify qualified candidates through individualized interviews, she said.

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johnm214 said:

How ridiculous.

Is it too much to ask that cops understand the law, follow the law, and not have some inferiority complex or other juvenile need to recieve submission (railing that to go into a rage and disregarding their duties to placate their psyche)?

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zzripz said:

I rest my case.

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iThink said:

I don't think you can ignore the fact that there are no successful, primarily black countries.

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iThink said:

You are right in the fact that they may be less suited for "white standards", but it is "white standards" that have taken over the world.

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iThink said:

If that method is better for gaining control of your environment then I don't see why that wouldn't be classified as more "intelligent".

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Who said it's better for gaining control of the environment? We are destroying are environment, pretty intelligent, huh?

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What do you think this proves? Do you know anything about imperialism? How are you measuring success? By white standards?

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Point being?

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Who said it's better for gaining control of the environment? We are destroying are environment, pretty intelligent, huh?

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What do you think this proves? Do you know anything about imperialism? How are you measuring success? By white standards?

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If imperialism was the cause for their failure then why are there successful Asian countries like Singapore?

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What? WTF does Singapore have to do with this?

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I am measuring success by the ability to survive and dominate in your environment.

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All races survive and dominate in their environment fine until they are invaded; there are more Whites than any other race, this could be why their technology advanced much quicker than other races.

Why do you consider domination to be a sign of intelligence?

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Point being?

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The "white standard" is obviously the more efficient one for having vast control over our environment.

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Why is having control of the environment a sign of intelligence? Again, Whites have a higher population, so it's not hard to understand why their society advanced much quicker than other races; to attribute that advancement to their "superior intelligence" without providing evidence that they even are intellectually superior, and while ignoring their relatively large population would be retarded.

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Who said it's better for gaining control of the environment? We are destroying are environment, pretty intelligent, huh?

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How are we "destroying our environment" to the point where it should concern us? Do you have any evidence to back these claims?

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I can't believe I'm even entertaining this response, but here, have a look at this shit:


Diseases Caused by Air Pollution

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Asthma

Although asthma may not be directly caused by air pollution, asthma attacks can be triggered by high levels of air pollution. The health condition asthma can also be caused by air pollution.

A pollutant such as sulfur dioxide causes the constriction of smaller airways in the lungs and makes breathing harder even for healthy people. With someone prone to asthma attacks, this constriction can set off a serious and life-threatening attack.

In fact, asthma attacks set off by pollutants are one of the largest causes of air pollution related death in Europe and in North America.

COPD

Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) is a disease spreading quickly due to increases in levels of air pollution.

Basically, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) refers to recurring episodes of respiratory problems, such as bronchitis.

While smoking has long been recognized as the chief factor in the development of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, recent research of subjects who lived through the Great Smog of 1952 found significant reductions in breathing capacity and increased rates of respiratory conditions, including emphysema in those patients.

More than 100,000 people in the United States alone die from Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.

Cystic Fibrosis

While cystic fibrosis is a serious disease itself, high levels of air pollution can further aggravate the condition.

This hereditary disease affects the mucous glands found throughout the body, including in the lungs. Thick areas of mucous develop in the lungs and allow for certain types of harmful bacteria to thrive there. As a result, these patients have an increased number of lung infections and breathing problems. Studies have shown that the respiratory complications associated with cystic fibrosis are worsened in patients who live near urban areas where air pollution concentration is higher.

Other Diseases Associated with Air Pollution

Besides the diseases discussed above, air pollution also contributes to other health problems. People who suffer from chronic conditions such as heart disease and diabetes have a higher risk of complications and death when living in areas with higher concentrations of air pollution.

Also, the University of Birmingham released a study showing a strong correlation between an increase in the rate of pneumonia and motor vehicle exhaust levels. The study suggests that living near urban areas or congested traffic centers can dramatically increase your risk for developing this disease.

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Pollution

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Adverse air quality can kill many organisms including humans. Ozone pollution can cause respiratory disease, cardiovascular disease, throat inflammation, chest pain, and congestion. Water pollution causes approximately 14,000 deaths per day, mostly due to contamination of drinking water by untreated sewage in developing countries. An estimated 700 million Indians have no access to a proper toilet, and 1,000 Indian children die of diarrhoeal sickness every day. Nearly 500 million Chinese lack access to safe drinking water. 656,000 people die prematurely each year in China because of air pollution. In India, air pollution is believed to cause 527,700 fatalities a year. Studies have estimated that the number of people killed annually in the US could be over 50,000.
Oil spills can cause skin irritations and rashes. Noise pollution induces hearing loss, high blood pressure, stress, and sleep disturbance. Mercury has been linked to developmental deficits in children and neurologic symptoms. Older people are majorly exposed to diseases induced by air pollution. Those with heart or lung disorders are under additional risk. Children and infants are also at serious risk. Lead and other heavy metals have been shown to cause neurological problems. Chemical and radioactive substances can cause cancer and as well as birth defects.

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ripten said:

I would like to add that I have always felt way fucking safer hanging out in impoverished/ghetto hispanic areas compared to black areas. There's something off about black people and if you think otherwise you have not spent enough time around enough black people.

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I grew up in a ghetto that was populated mostly by black people, and I am Mexican. There isn't a big difference between Black gangsters and Hispanic ones, they're both complete assholes. In fact, I think I've generally been treated worse by the Mexican ones than by the darkies.

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Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

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Poid said:

Racism

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Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

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I don't believe that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities, or that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

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lines said:

And if racism isn't a good word to describe noticing differences than what is a better word?

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Observantism?

iThink said:

I don't think you can ignore the fact that there are no successful, primarily black countries.

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Cups said:

Poid said:

I'd like to hear some reasons why people think that Whites are, in general, inherently intellectually superior to colored people.

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Show me an majority black country that isn't a shit hole?

Personally knowing some razor sharp black folks I don't know what to make of it but it's true. 

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hoodbran said:

Cups said:

Poid said:

I'd like to hear some reasons why people think that Whites are, in general, inherently intellectually superior to colored people.

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Show me an majority black country that isn't a shit hole?

Personally knowing some razor sharp black folks I don't know what to make of it but it's true. 

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AFAIK alot of 3rd world/black country agricultural land is exploited by western countries to grow our wheat to feed our people and thus they rely on aid... So sure, they might be shit holes but remember who is keeping them this way.

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How the hell does wheat being grown for extranational interests make a country more of a shithole?  This seems to be simply anti-commerce nonsense.

You think they'd be better with nobody wanting anything to do with them or their resources, land?  Completely isolated?  At least extranational money employs people and supports some portion of their economy: the history of what happens when extranational companies are expelled from underdevloped countries reveals pretty clearly that its not a positive: Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, et cet 

All those socialist governments did this and then their economy fell to pieces and people starved due to having nothing to trade.  Fantastic thinking

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As for IQ, it's just a concept that doesn't measure what it claims to.

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Please back up your naked claim t hat IQ claims measure something but doesn't matter that which it claims.

This is not my understanding: it seems by definition to be a pretty nifty measure of apptitude- useful to assess relative performance of various people on the measuring instrument.

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As for blacks being outside the median for the general population on an intelligence quotient mean, is not to say such a test for equality of variances is actually true. The trouble with measures like these, is that, they are utterly ethnocentric and not really generalizable.

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Please justify your claim that "measures like these" are "utterly ethnocentric" and not justifiably assessing true relevant performance.

An example might be a relatively small, rural community.  With a relatively homogenous culture and community, it would seem difficult to justify your claim that realtive deviations of racially defined groups is not due to intelligence but is due to ethnocentric tests providing spurious answers.  How do you justify this?


These types of claims seem to serve as convieniant appolgists for poor performance of particular groups, and the rush to adopt such explanations seems to be politically, emotionally, motivated from my viewpoint.  People seem to want to believe this, which should always be an indicatino that their conclusions need to be carefully analyzed.