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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid]
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I'm a white guy. I've interacted with people of a variety of races and I have interacted with people on different socio-economic levels. I don't think white people are smarter than blacks. I not only disagree with racism against blacks, I also disagree with racism towards whites by blacks or anyone else.

I have encountered vast stupidity and silliness among upper class people(as well as intelligence) and I have encountered intelligence and stupidity among those of the lower income bracket.

I'm not sure how people can think that white Americans are on average fairly intelligent when throughout the existence of America white Americans have been fed propaganda by the media and believed in it without question, have elected awful politicians consistently, and have supported all sorts of stupid wars.

On average black Americans have been more skeptical of the government.

But I don't think that one race is any smarter than the other.


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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: lines] * 1
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lines said:
On average black Americans have been more skeptical of the government.

That's 'cuz niggaz be knowin' wassup. :snoop:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid] * 2
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Poid said:
lines said:
On average black Americans have been more skeptical of the government.

That's 'cuz niggaz be knowin' wassup. :snoop:


lol :borat:


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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: lines]
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What is being measured will effect ones intelligence "rating".  Just as there are different health problems associated with race there are other things associated with race genetically. Also the cultures perpetuated by elders, parents and peers affect someone more than race. I've dated outside my race, have more different colors of friends than I can count and to disregard race as a factor is to disregard culture and sub population micro-societies. Like I told a "black" friend in the military " yeah that's right I grew up poor cause my dad was so busy holding your dad down!" Like having light skin is a blessing and makes life easier. There's no NAAWP, or some secret white society making life easier for whites or making us smarter. I've received verbal taunts and abuse as a "white" in "black" communities, calling me a honkey, cracker ect then telling me to get my racist ass out of there. So funny I'm the racist there with my "black" girlfriend being called the equivalent of nigger, wap, spic, kike, kraut, dutchy, frogs, limey's, paddy boy, chink, bohemie, polak, red skin, rag head, yo. If I forgot a race I'm sorry I lost the Whites Secret Racist Termonology textbook. I've had service refused to me as a white, not allowed in friends houses because of their parents. On the other side of the scale I was verbally abused by "white" people who though they were better than me because I was"poor". I'm a racialist, I think we all live up to racial stereotypes to a certain extent and for all the whinning about what "whites" have done to others, shit we've done it to each other. The higher the areas median income the better the education system. Race is going to the wayside of class war just whites and blacks are to stupid to realize it. Why fight for the lies and politicians greed when race is all you need.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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Dude you said "colored students"......:freshwtf:

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid] * 1
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By God, man, fix that wall-o'-text! :nono:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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Varanid said:
There's no NAAWP...


If you want an NAAWP maybe you should start one. This is a free country. No one is stopping you.


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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: lines]
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lines said:
Varanid said:
There's no NAAWP...


If you want an NAAWP maybe you should start one. This is a free country. No one is stopping you.


Its illegal for a "white"/majority to make those types of organizations and to exclude minorities from working for or benefiting from the organization, its called discrimination.

Edit* my entire post and you quote the beginning of one sentence . . . Lmao Its almost out of context.

Edited by Varanid (03/25/11 03:37 AM)

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid] * 1
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After watching daytime court TV, one cannot help but be convinced of equal intelligence among the races.


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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
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I'd hit it. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
After watching daytime court TV, one cannot help but be convinced of equal intelligence among the races.


The best argument for equal intelligence yet!

Poid I agree with you there.

Edited by Varanid (03/25/11 03:46 AM)

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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My name is not Ploid! :supercrankey:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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White people work for the NAACP so what would be wrong with having black people work in the NAAWP? It would only be discrimination if they refused to hire non-white people. Their activities though would not be illegal.

But basically I prefer getting rid of all racial organizations because ultimately we are one race the human race. But if there is going to be an NAACP I think that people have every right to start an NAAWP.

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lines said:
Varanid said:
There's no NAAWP...


If you want an NAAWP maybe you should start one. This is a free country. No one is stopping you.


Its illegal for a "white"/majority to make those types of organizations and to exclude minorities from working for or benefiting from the organization, its called discrimination.




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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid] * 1
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Poid said:





I'd hit it. :shrug:


Poid, you would hit a tree with a knot in it.


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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: lines]
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lines said:
But basically I prefer getting rid of all racial organizations because ultimately we are one race the human race.

Well too bad we can't act like it. :wink:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid]
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Poid I was fixing it while you posted . . . . Lmfao it'll be ok sorry I screwed up your shroomery alias I hope I didnt slander you or hinder your life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Get real my REAL last names been getting slaughtered since I was a kid grow up. That's two BS posts from you towards me that had no relevance to the discussion in general, one of which I was agreeing with you.

Racial differences in intelligence come from cultural influences, economic conditions, and paternal family in my opinion. All "whites" are not at a financial advantage to minorities, which I believe is a direct link to where one usually ends up. There's a class system in place in America in my opinion and America is racist to it core in my opinion. I came to that conclusion spending 5 yrs in Germany in the Army. We naturally segregate according to race with a couple "token(insert race)" along to show we ain't.  Again it depends on what is considered an indicator of intelligence and what is considered common sense in my opinion. Move me to NY and I will have little "common sense" like subways. To truly compare we would need to measure the total information stored in our brains. I know a drug dealer that can run fractions of grams/ounces/Lbs/KG and price totals as fast as you could say it and not balance a check book. My grandfather can add/subtract/multiply/divide up to four number just the same but not use a smart phone.

And no if a NAAWP, national white fraternity, any thing "white" opened it would end up in court as fast as it opened I already had a professor explain it in business law. Even if "minorities" worked their its services could not solely benefit or be provided to the majority/"whites". I'm not talking local soup kitchen or tutoring I'm talking real nation wide organizations. The majority race isn't allowed to do that as minorities are at a "disadvantage", which I think is racist. I don't mean whites and blacks I mean majority and minority. If a minority were to become the majority "white" would them be a minority and have a different legal status almost. To debate that you need references Ill believe the guy teaching a class with an advanced education and executive experience.

To disregard our race/color/heritage is to shit on our ancestors, our history's and our cultures. We need to accept we're different and quit trying to act like were not. I don't know maybe as a human race collectively grow up. My grandpa is not just like my damn near brother in law from GA, and both are different from the Navajo (which isn't right they are Deena or something which means The People, thou I misspelled it). Americans are completely different than the Iraqis I met as well.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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Varanid said:
Poid I was fixing it while you posted . . . . Lmfao it'll be ok sorry I screwed up your shroomery alias I hope I didnt slander you or hinder your life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. Get real my REAL last names been getting slaughtered since I was a kid grow up. That's two BS posts from you towards me that had no relevance to the discussion in general, one of which I was agreeing with you.


:yuno:
"Why you so mad, uh?!??!!?"


Varanid said:
Racial differences in intelligence come from cultural influences, economic conditions, and paternal family in my opinion.

Why paternal, and not also maternal family?


Varanid said:
All "whites" are not at a financial advantage to minorities, which I believe is a direct link to where one usually ends up.

Did you mean to say that they are at a financial advantage to minorities? :/-


Varanid said:
There's a class system in place in America in my opinion and America is racist to it core in my opinion.

IYO, is this class system de jure, or de facto? What gives you the impression that America is racist to its core?


Varanid said:
I came to that conclusion spending 5 yrs in Germany in the Army. We naturally segregate according to race with a couple "token(insert race)" along to show we ain't. Again it depends on what is considered an indicator of intelligence and what is considered common sense in my opinion. Move me to NY and I will have little "common sense" like subways. To truly compare we would need to measure the total information stored in our brains. I know a drug dealer that can run fractions of grams/ounces/Lbs/KG and price totals as fast as you could say it and not balance a check book. My grandfather can add/subtract/multiply/divide up to four number just the same but not use a smart phone.

:ooo:

Yup, there are several different kinds of intelligence. :thumbup


Varanid said:
And no if a NAAWP, national white fraternity, any thing "white" opened it would end up in court as fast as it opened I already had a professor explain it in business law. Even if "minorities" worked their its services could not solely benefit or be provided to the majority/"whites". I'm not talking local soup kitchen or tutoring I'm talking real nation wide organizations. The majority race isn't allowed to do that as minorities are at a "disadvantage", which I think is racist.

Who cares if it's racist? It's only fair. All racism is is discrimination based on race--since not all races are on equal standing, discriminations between them must be made in order to help the less fortunate out. Racism is not necessarily a bad thing, it's merely a form of discrimination, which is something humans do all the time.


Varanid said:
To disregard our race/color/heritage is to shit on our ancestors, our history's and our cultures. We need to accept we're different and quit trying to act like were not. I don't know maybe as a human race collectively grow up.

Don't expect any drastic changes. :satansmoking:


Varanid said:
My grandpa is not just like my damn near brother in law from GA, and both are different from the Navajo (which isn't right they are Deena or something which means The People, thou I misspelled it). Americans are completely different than the Iraqis I met as well.

Yeah, people are different everywhere--why, even we're different. :wink:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Poid] * 1
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I don't think you'll find too many that believe the ethnicity is actually a cause or connected via third variables to low intelligence- even though in practice blacks in the US tend to be scored as less intelligent than whites (which gets messy politically).

The people I consider racist who've put some thought into their views often acknowledge the blacks might just be different because of culture, but that doesn't stop them from advancing segregation (some people who post on stormfront, a generally pro-white anti-non-white messageboard).

To me the whole thing kinda doesn't matter.  I do believe blacks probably are more likely to be less intelligent than whites in the US, bassed on teh data I've seen, but even if this were integral to race, what would it matter?  Its plainly illegal for the US to be drawing any sort of distinctions legally along these lines (though not if the affirmative action people get their way, then its only "bad" racial policies that get banned), and isn't very useful from a practical point of view given the relatively small differences and large interpersonal variability.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: johnm214]
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Mad, haha over estimating your trolling abilities.

My family has no financial advantage to a minority in the US.. Food stamps, food banks, minimum wage jobs, poor school district losing funding and teachers with dropping test scores and rising drop outs and teen pregnancy, no health care, free lunch program, school clothes from Goodwill, living in income based low income housing. Do you really believe being "white" is some free pass to prosperity? Just because my family was white doesn't mean were are financially better off.

Nuclear family, maternal seems to be the norm with the poor and what is perpetuated as a minority problem. Id like to know the statistic on it tho.


I believe it is both de jure and de facto class war. The laws do not directly place them above us but taxation and other things allow them more power that the poor. The rich, and I mean rich not a couple hundred k a year, have tax breaks, fancy accounting, and benefit from trickle down economics. I believe America has become a plutocracy with the super rich controlling our government threw campaign contributions, lobbiest and major corporations. The working class and below are the ones losing jobs, losing education, losing affordable housing. Also income is almost outdated and most of America I know is working poverty. A lost paycheck from the streets regardless of an apartment or 30 k house. I'm sick of this idea "whites" in America are all buddies and hook each other up and have all this money. 

People in America seem racist, even if they don't think there are like the "colored students" comment. Using overly political terms for every shade of people but lumping "whites" as one and caucasion as "white". If you were born in the US you're an American, I'm not a German American anymore than "black" is African American (all "blacks" are not African). If you're an immigrant then yeah your *homeland* American. The very fact we have laws dictating EO, that we have these racially charged debates constantly, and the grouping behavior I have seen. Basic training day one everyone sorts according to color at at least a 80% success rate.


Racism isn't illegal, discrimination is. Discrimination is tolerated and perpetuated to a certain extent to "help disadvantaged minorities". That's a good stigma to beat into the youngs heads as were trying to tell them they can be anything they want. Hey we realize your as good as the majority but you were born at a disadvantage and need our help to be as good as the "whites"  Its not skin color its money.

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Re: In response to the recent thread about Blacks being inherently less intelligent than whites... [Re: Varanid]
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Varanid said:
My family has no financial advantage to a minority in the US.. Food stamps, food banks, minimum wage jobs, poor school district losing funding and teachers with dropping test scores and rising drop outs and teen pregnancy, no health care, free lunch program, school clothes from Goodwill, living in income based low income housing. Do you really believe being "white" is some free pass to prosperity? Just because my family was white doesn't mean were are financially better off.

So, your family was the exception to the rule--there are rich beaners and dark people, but that doesn't mean that poor beaners and dark peple shouldn't be helped.


Varanid said:
I believe it is both de jure and de facto class war. The laws do not directly place them above us but taxation and other things allow them more power that the poor. The rich, and I mean rich not a couple hundred k a year, have tax breaks, fancy accounting, and benefit from trickle down economics.

You have it fucking backwards with the taxes--the top 5% earners pay 58.7% of the nations taxes, and the bottom 50% earners pay 2.7%.


Varanid said:
I believe America has become a plutocracy with the super rich controlling our government threw campaign contributions, lobbiest and major corporations.

I believe this, too--I also know, though, that my beliefs could be wrong, and that the best thing for me to do is to find some evidence to support them.


Varanid said:
The working class and below are the ones losing jobs, losing education, losing affordable housing. Also income is almost outdated and most of America I know is working poverty. A lost paycheck from the streets regardless of an apartment or 30 k house. I'm sick of this idea "whites" in America are all buddies and hook each other up and have all this money.

I went to some of the richest schools in California, so I was exposed to an assload of rich people--not one of them was dark brown, or a beaner. They were all either White or Jewish. To say that Whites and Jews don't possess a disproportionate amount of wealth would be extremely retarded.

 
Varanid said:
People in America seem racist, even if they don't think there are like the "colored students" comment. Using overly political terms for every shade of people but lumping "whites" as one and caucasion as "white". If you were born in the US you're an American, I'm not a German American anymore than "black" is African American (all "blacks" are not African). If you're an immigrant then yeah your *homeland* American. The very fact we have laws dictating EO, that we have these racially charged debates constantly, and the grouping behavior I have seen. Basic training day one everyone sorts according to color at at least a 80% success rate.

The fact of the matter is that, generally speaking, certain racial groups seemingly do not have the same opportunity to accumulate wealth as Whites.


Varanid said:
Racism isn't illegal, discrimination is. Discrimination is tolerated and perpetuated to a certain extent to "help disadvantaged minorities". That's a good stigma to beat into the youngs heads as were trying to tell them they can be anything they want.

I don't agree that we should tell kids that they can be whatever they want, because that is obviously false bullshit--discrimination is not necessarily a bad thing, I already went over this. Humans do it everyday; I would not be able to type these words if I wasn't able to discriminate between each key.


Varanid said:
Hey we realize your as good as the majority but you were born at a disadvantage and need our help to be as good as the "whites"  Its not skin color its money.

Fucking duh--Whites have been hoarding the world's wealth for quite a while, so this means that they have an unfair advantage.

You actually think that there's something wrong with leveling the playing field?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (04/01/11 01:46 AM)

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