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Offlineupupup
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Taking responability for your food...
    #1129593 - 12/10/02 06:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This is kind of a continuation with a thought that came up for me with the "do animals have souls?" post.

I was raised on farms and live now on one. I have always participated in the death of whatever critter we butchered as a child so it seems "natural" to me and just a part of the cycle of exsistence.

My question is, do you eat meat? If so how would you feel about having to actually kill the critter you were going to eat?

Think about that for a second while I relate how my wife and I slaughtered a goat for a haloween feast. We gently led it out of the pen where we take awesome good care of them. We pushed them to the ground and with a knife sharp enough to shave with, slit thier throat from ear to ear in one quick, deft move. Instantly thier brain loses conciousness as the blood is immiediatly released. In a matter of seconds they are dead. My wife did that. It was her first time. She is a changed person now as she feels much more "empowered" and responsible for what she sticks in her mouth.

If you feel awefull and bad about such a concept then how can you continue to eat meat?


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1129673 - 12/10/02 06:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have no problem in killing animals to eat them.  Today was the last day of deer season :frown:


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1129704 - 12/10/02 07:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It's just the body you are killing- it's not like the animal no longer exists. It might have wanted to stay, but you really can't ask them if they do or not.

If you feel awefull and bad about such a concept then how can you continue to eat meat?
Trust me, they will still kill just as many animals if you stop eating meat.  :wink:


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What if all the world you think you know,
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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1129730 - 12/10/02 07:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I wanna kill a grouse with a stick someday.


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1129923 - 12/10/02 08:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Most people (at least that I know) stop eating meat not because killing an animal is wrong but because of the way it's currently being done.


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130138 - 12/10/02 09:45 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I am with you all the way on this. In fact it ties in with another idea that as bandied about, culturalism. People that live in cities are generally the ones who grouse about killing animals. I grew up on a farm where we killed our animals and ate them. For us it is a natural thing. This certainly does not mean that I enjoy killing animals as some hunters do. I am a Native American. We kill to eat, not for trophies. Many think that we are cool but they also condemn eating animals. The Inuit tribe gets their vitamin C from the organs of the Moose. What would you have us do, die of scurvy?

The point is that people that think that killing an animal is bad has never had to do it to live. It's their 'culture'.


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: ]
    #1130195 - 12/10/02 10:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, what tribe are you from? I live on a reservation.

When I lived outside 24/7 and wore nothing but buckskin and hand felted wool I was in a bigger city (no real big cities in MT) and was confronted by a young college student who remarked at the coyote skin hat I was wearing and remarked "You have a dead animal on your head!" in an accusatory way. I looked down at her leather Birkenstocks and said "you have a dead animal on your foot." She looked down, thought for a second, said nothing and walked away. It was pretty funny...

To the above post about killing grouse with a stick there is a "tool" called a rabbit stick which is little more than a good 2 inch diameter peice of hard wood. You throw it side arm kinda like a boomerang. It is reputed to kill a deer if done correctly and should be perfect with grouse though I have never tried it...


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130227 - 12/10/02 10:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Cherokee nation, Kola

But my study was with the Lakota Sioux from Pine Ridge. I have met various Elders including Leonard Crow Dog. My teacher was taught by Dawson Has No Horse and knew Frank Fool's Crow and Henry Crow Dog, the Shaman that was the spiritual leader during the uprising in the 70's when AIM fought the Feds.

Mitakuye Oyasin Kola.

What res?


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    #1130271 - 12/10/02 10:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: ]
    #1130308 - 12/10/02 10:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

When I saw you said cherokee and then spoke lakota I was a little confused until I read further on down your post. That is way too cool. I have goosebumps from the knowledge lineage that you gave. Some powerfull folks. I am trying to think of his name....the guy that has the white buffalo woman pipe....nohorse or walking horse or something? He had that gathering at his place like 6 years ago when they renewed the bundle. I wanted to go but chose to do a primitive skills gathering in BC that turned out to be an amazing healing gathering. He carries like 3 pipes.

I am on the flathead reservation. It's unusual for a reservation in that the tribe is much better off than most other tribes I see. All the white money that surrounds Flathead lake....


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: ]
    #1130315 - 12/10/02 10:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Orvill LookingHorse or LookingGlass....that's it... :crazy:


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: i am e goldstein]
    #1130367 - 12/10/02 10:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I can't see the name without having a reaction.

Yes, Leonard Peltier.


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    #1130391 - 12/10/02 11:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)



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3DSHROOMS is either clueless or the worlds biggest SCUMBAG
I lie and exagerate constantly... God Bless America!


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130397 - 12/10/02 11:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, it's Orvil Looking Horse.

Flathead huh?  Cool!

The wasicus have some money up there.  I would love to see it someday.

Yeah, I kinda see why we hit it off right away.  :smile:  There is a Lakota that posts here.  He started a thread in gathering forum and he is from New Jersey.  I think his screen name is IamLakota or something like that.

Hang with us.  Maybe we all can learn something. :smile:

Cheers, 


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: i am e goldstein]
    #1130410 - 12/10/02 11:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

It's ok E. This isn't a private conversation. Leonard is a good reason for me to feel unkindly to wasicus. I don't. Others feel differently.


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: i am e goldstein]
    #1130411 - 12/10/02 11:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Where did you get yout avatar?



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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130414 - 12/10/02 11:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I also spent a night in the same hotel with Russell Means.  But that was just coincidence, if you go in for those things. :wink:


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: ]
    #1130461 - 12/10/02 11:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

this post has quickly degenerated but I learned more than I asked for....

did you read "where white men fear to tread" by Russell? Good stuff....


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130630 - 12/11/02 12:13 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

No I haven't.

I haven't read too many 'books' on this topic.

Sorry for the derail.

You were saying........


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Re: Taking responability for your food... [Re: upupup]
    #1130647 - 12/11/02 12:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My question is, do you eat meat?

I try not to eat meat as much as possible, mostly because of the way that modern America produces it. I am by no means a strict vegetarian though, but I do try and listen to what types of foods my body needs, and sometimes I do feel the need for meat. But mostly I can survive on fruits, vegetables, and peanuts. :smile:

I think if I had to kill an animal for food, I would respect and honor that animal ALOT more than I would if I bought a double cheeseburger at McDonalds... 


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