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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1621001 - 06/09/03 02:21 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

no actually i was trying to balance a lighter on one of those glass pipes that change color, thats what i meant by "mild". I imagine it will be a few more years before i can rearrange the cars on my block, or construct pyramids.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: ViBrAnT]
    #1622500 - 06/09/03 10:28 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Balancing acts have nothing to do with telekinesis.
Have ya heard of Cirque du Soleil?


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1622793 - 06/10/03 12:37 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Please leave your logical bullshit at home. This forum is for fantasy only.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1623258 - 06/10/03 08:16 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Please leave my thread on-topic  :wink:
No fighting, that's not what I like to see.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: trendal]
    #1623287 - 06/10/03 08:44 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Trendal, Man has evolved with both emotion and logic.IMHO it is ILLOGICAL to deny a significant portion of our mental arsenal.Emotion can push us passed barriers of logic into new realms of understanding,as valid and pragmatic as logical deduction.For instance Love, an illogical emotion to say the least,but one necessary for a healthy mind and body.One should not deny the necessity of emotion in our social selfhood or in our personal interaction with the world.After all the emotion of fear may be illogical at times but it has saved our butts quite often.
Also the suddeness of emotional response has definate survival advantages(exploring the most logical escape route from the sabre tooth cat chasing you likely will lead to a fine meal :wink: )
May I suggest you explore giving more freedom to your emotional component.You do not need to abandon logic to do this, just relax it's grip on your consciousness,and just explore the feelings as they play against your sensorium.
For myself logic is a wonderful tool but is poor satisfaction.I prefer to use logic to bring balance and stability to my much more satisfying emotional interactions.
This is an example,While I am attempting to logicaly convey a concept here,I also am using the emotion of compassion to guide my logical path in a (hopefully) constructive,non-threatening manner.
We are not Vulcans or computers,we are a large self aware primate and we share much of the same social emotional make up as some of our cousins.By denying or constricting this function one denies an important part of our evolutionary heritage.I hope you can allow more emotional freedom for yourself,IMO this is where Man needs to grow most.
Bon Chance, WR. :tongue:


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: whiterasta]
    #1623316 - 06/10/03 09:01 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

For instance Love, an illogical emotion to say the least...

Not illogical, but bio-logical. "There is nothing like a mother's love." Yes, this is called genetic survival. Romantic love is merely an illusion that steers us towards procreation - the passing down of DNA. Even the love of self-sacrifice is usually to ensure the tribe's continuation.

Yup, love is biological; not mystical.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1623386 - 06/10/03 09:44 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

True it is biological, however this does NOT make it a logical action just because it possibly contributes to survival (my ex-wife is a case in point :wink: ).
My point is ,often Non-logical tools are necessary to complete the experience called life in its most fullfilling manner.
And ,Swami,It may BE biological but that is the greatest "mystery".Why the complexity?Why not simple animal urge?IMO emotions have evolved from simple urge, to fullfill more complex functions than simple biology.It is my opinion that emotion drives alogical inspiration and creativity.
If one simply views the "mystical" as undisclosed knowledge, things are far more mystical than "real" for what we do not know is still much larger than what we know ,eh? :wink:
WR 


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: whiterasta]
    #1623422 - 06/10/03 10:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Why not simple animal urge?

Anger is a simple urge (though chemically complex) and can be found in many species. It is part of the biological "fight" response.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1623440 - 06/10/03 10:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry Swamster but the anger I feel over political issues is far from a simple biological response or "urge" it is a complex response to logical and illogical input which causes conflict between my emotional response and my analytical abilities.
If anger were a simple "urge" without complexity of content then we would not experience degrees of anger or irritation it would be an on -off system as most urges are, thirst,having to piss,wanting sex these are simple urges.Emotion is far more complex and I would be interested in you explanation for this complexity.I do not ascribe to any Mystical theories of emotionalism but I do believe that emotions are a very mysterious and poorly understood component of our consciousness as far removed from animal urge as logic and as important for a balanced consciousness.
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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: whiterasta]
    #1623456 - 06/10/03 10:35 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry Swamster but the anger I feel over political issues is far from a simple biological response or "urge"
Anger arises from a real or perceived threat. PERIOD. A predator wants to take your life, a competitor wants to take your mate, or the government wants to take your money or freedom; all are threats resulting in an anger or fear response and is v-e-r-y biological.

If anger were a simple "urge" without complexity of content then we would not experience degrees of anger or irritation it would be an on -off system as most urges are, thirst,having to piss,wanting sex these are simple urges.
There are no degrees of thirstiness or hunger? You must not be from planet earth. Sorry, WR your argument falls flat here.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1623485 - 06/10/03 10:56 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have time right now to challenge your simplistic view .Let me suffice to say that yes there are degrees of hunger or thirst which all can be assuaged with food or water,hence the on-off response.NBot so with Complex emotion (such as anger), which by the way is not always tied to threat,Often the causation for anger can be removed without ceasing the response indicating a deeper component than simple amnimal urge
WR (in a huge rush :wink:


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: whiterasta]
    #1626793 - 06/11/03 04:05 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't have time right now to challenge your simplistic view 



My apologies for this horribly rude sounding comment :frown: I was getting an ear full of something quite irritating as I was posting.
Swami, my apologies yours is anything but a simplistic view,(he says through his size 9 mouthful :wink: ) I was trying to say that you'd generalized too much  on the urge /emotion comparison.I am truly repentant for the arrogant stream which flowed out on this subject.................... MY BAD BRO!
yours, WR


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: whiterasta]
    #1627203 - 06/11/03 07:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Some of us have irrational fear of spiders

which logic can dispell;

Therfore raw emotion can be tempered by logic.

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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: castaway]
    #1627891 - 06/12/03 12:51 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

See that's how my mind works  :smirk:


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: trendal]
    #1628165 - 06/12/03 05:51 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

But a logical argument can be proven false thru reasoning; That's why God is Reason & Truth, not logic.
Ultimate Truth may never be realized, but progress is constant, I hope.

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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1628262 - 06/12/03 06:59 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

What about the anger you feel when you watch a video of tons of animals being horribly abused in some factory to produce food.

There is no threat to you here... in fact, It means more / cheaper food for your survival. So why be angry?

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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Grav]
    #1628820 - 06/12/03 12:19 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

So why be angry?

I'm not.


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Re: Can logical reason take the place of emotional judgement? [Re: Swami]
    #1629072 - 06/12/03 02:11 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Disgust not anger.
And yet Kentucky fried chicken remains one of my favorite foods

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