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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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What Would Enlightenment Be Like?
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A transcendence of death/space/time?

Since DMT activates the same chakra which you would associate with enlightenment (which exists outside of the body) would being enlightened just be like being on DMT all the time?

There has to be some basic description of what its like. I've read Be Here Now and Ram Dass claims (what I wrote above excluding the DMT part)


So I guess enlightenment is how YOU become Christ/Buddha but your perception is that of God's (all)


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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Enlightenment is coming to the realization everything is one. I would say it is being "beigness" itself. Its beyond human.

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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IMO enlightenment would entail a logical and honest assessment of what it means to be a human primate animal on earth. This would include understanding our basic emotional/psychological motivations such as death anxiety, fear, love, etc., and there profound implications for our experience here.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: oxalic32]
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"So I guess enlightenment is how YOU become Christ/Buddha but your perception is that of God's (all)"

After first doing DMT I described it to my friend as having a gods perception.
I think that occasional DMT use can really help balance life.


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"I take comfort in the fact that my true purpose in life will make perfect sense mathmatically, but will be discovered through the construction of an avant garde art project done by a 6th grader with aspergers twenty years from today.


Could the presence of Junkies account for all these uneaten french fries?

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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The timeless of definition of enlightenment is to 'know thyself'


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Chronic7]
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What's the timemore definition?

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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It would feel like punching the jeebus in the nose.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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I would identify two types of enlightenment:  state-level enlightenment and stage-level enlightenment.  State-level enlightenment would be a constant state of ever-present non-dual awareness.  This kind of enlightenment would have a definite recognizable end-state, such that one could differentiate between someone who has it and someone who doesn't.  The other kind of enlightenment is an ongoing process of continual evolving consciousness, with no discernible omega point.


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Silversoul]
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The continual evolution/expansion of consciousness happens within nondual awareness

Its almost like an infinite expansion & maturing, against a backround of unchanging awareness


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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Quote:
Since DMT activates the same chakra which you would associate with enlightenment


No, it doesn't.


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If Enlightenment could be described, that which you call Enlightenment wouldn't be worth pursuing!


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When the many become the One

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Sadhguru]
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:grin:


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Really? I think it does. It sends your perception out of body. The 8th chakra exists outside of body...

so thats my take on it.


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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You must be new round here, talking chakras with OC :lol:


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Chronic7]
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JackofSpades said:
Really? I think it does. It sends your perception out of body. The 8th chakra exists outside of body...

so thats my take on it.


and you very well may be right...remember too..that its all subjective though.


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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Sadhguru]
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:thumbup: brilliant.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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I don't know. I'm not enlightened. Lol. But, a wise person once said about enlightenment: 'Money you can finish. Enlightenment you cannot finish.'

It feels like he's right about that. To me enlightenment comes in phases. When you realise something you go up, but that up reinforces the experience of the effects of your actions. It's like to become more subtle means to be influenced more subtly by everything one does or says or thinks. Then there follows a period of difficulty whereby the new level of consciousness is integrated into one being. Until a new realisation dawns and the whole thing turns around again... enlightenment may very well be a very very long road to completion and fulfilment of our potentials. Not just as individuals but also as humanity. So i don't think enlightenment is solely individual, it is a collective experience of the unfolding of consciousness and the integration of realisations into one's being as an individual or into the collective being as a group. Me thinks... :undecided:

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: Ahimsa]
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Enlightment is like reaching a new level of understanding, most likely everyone of us is enlightened compared to the understanding of 2000 years ago. Understanding is infinite, so enlightment must be infinite too. If you desire to be enlightened, you can't possibly reach it as you can't see the enlightment that you already have. The subconscious already holds a new level of understanding, which can be released through dreams or drugs or meditation..

What you claim I'm already enlightened but.. without being enlightened? Yes.. I believe humans are made out of two parts, two minds, the stupid mind and the smart mind.. it's all about activating one or the other. I guess this is why drugs give you the enlightment experience, because you are already enlightened.

How else could you possibly judge you or someone else to be enlightened if you didn't already know what it was?

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Re: What Would Enlightenment Be Like? [Re: JackofSpades]
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It is not like being high on drugs. It is like being just like you are all of the time. Believing that there is a difference is how it slips through your fingers and seems elusive.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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