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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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You're welcome. :mushroom2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Time machine [Re: Poid]
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Oh I think I used the wrong word. Cultivation isn't really where they grow, is it?


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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I would assume that it is. :thumbup:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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They discuss growing in that forum.

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Re: Time machine [Re: Indigenous]
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Indigenous said:
You are in the wrong place if you expect to have fun. I try sometimes, but the a lot of people like to ruin it.


This says a lot about your mental balance :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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Enjoy said:
If you could use a time machine to travel in the past (when you were not yet born) and killed your pregnant mother, would you ever had existed?

Would there be an action in the future from which you traveled to your past?

If you were the one who invented the time machine, would the time machine still exist?

This question is for male only (sorry ladies :wink:):
If you made a woman pregnant while you are in the past (remember, you aren't really born yet) and then killed your mother, would the woman be still pregnant? What would have changed?


I saw the theoretical physicist Michio Kaku answer some of these questions by saying that there is possibly an infinite number of dimensions, each having their own timeline.  If time travel were possible it would be likely that you would be changing the events of another dimension rather than your own.

He also used this as a theory to explain why we haven't seen any time travelers yet.

He described the dimensions as separate waves coming off of a whirlpool at all times.  Every possible series of events creates its own timeline every moment.


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I spit reality, instead of what you usually learn
and I refuse to be concerned with condescending advice
cause I'm the only motherfucker that can change my life

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Re: Time machine [Re: Kukaracha]
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But, If it everything already happened...It had to of happened once before sooo how do we know that we aren't the first or is there a first?

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Re: Time machine [Re: Indigenous]
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Indigenous said:
You are in the wrong place if you expect to have fun. I try sometimes, but the a lot of people like to ruin it.


:hissyfit::hissyfit::hissyfit:

No one here can ruin my fun.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Time machine [Re: ganja_guru]
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ganja_guru said:
But, If it everything already happened...It had to of happened once before sooo how do we know that we aren't the first or is there a first?


If everything that happens has happened and is happening and will be happening and will happen than it already is fixed. So if everything already is fixed there is no real action because it is fixed, it stands firm :wink:


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Re: Time machine [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
If you have got all the money in the world it is worthless because only you have got this money. You've got zero :P


This is just a twist of words that doesn't answer my question and doesn't prove that zero - infinity.
Also, my question was regarding having zero money, not all the money in the world. :wink:
Nice try. :lol:


Yeah but didn't you get what I said?
If there can be infinite money having all money in the world has got the same value as having no many in the world.
You can touch 1. You can touch 2. But you can't touch no-thing. And you can't touch every-thing.
The idea may be different - the concept of everything and the concept of nothing.
But the value is the same.
It is infinite.
Touch infinity. Go ahead. Doesn't matter if you try to touch it as no-thing or as everything.

Now I've got some telephone numbers saved in my telephone. If I say All number in my telephone are not the same as zero numbers this is right. But only because there is no infinity.
If there is infinity then all and nothing is the same.
And I did say that before maybe you did not read it


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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The only reason why you can't touch everything is because you're physically limited. This doesn't, however, stop you from touching a part of everything. Can you do the same thing with nothingness? Can you touch at least a part of it? No, because it doesn't exist, this is what it means - the lack of any physical existence.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Time machine [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Haha you said it. And I told you about it before, too.
You can't touch everything :wink:
Only a part of it.
But a part of it is not everything. I've said it for about 3 times before but no reaction at all :P
Red is not white. But the colours alltogether actually are white :wink:

Everything has got the same value as nothing.
A thing is a part of everything. You can call it everything but it is the same as nothing. Its value is the same. You just have to be open to understand that everything and nothing are the same. There is no real contradiction it just seems to exist, the difference. Everything and nothing are just words for the untouchable, undescribable.


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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How can I be opened to understanding something that doesn't make any sense? Being open doesn't mean that you have to drop all your logical knowledge, what is true and works can stand on it's own. This one obviously doesn't.
I think that the difference I specified is quite clear. Even though you can't touch everything (for NO other reason but physical limitation), there is still a part that can be touched, and there is always solid evidence to show the existence of all the other things that one can't physically touch. It's not like something becomes existent only when it's touched. :lol:
When it comes to nothingness, whatever you do, you CAN'T touch it, since there is nothing to be touched and nothing to have physical existence. :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Time machine [Re: MushroomTrip]
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But what I am saying is that nothing and everything is the same just different EDIT: WORDS :laugh: And when I said "touch" I meant all the things you can do with it.
This only works if there _is_ an _infinity_
And if everything has got no ending and no beginning it is the same as nothing

But hey, instead of just trying to explaining my point of view, explain yours.

Tell me what everything is and then tell me what nothing is. And do it precise not just some learned sentence like "nothing does not exist" or "everything is everything, what else?"

Because you know what? The nothing does exist. And to play a little bit with the English language I'll write it: Nothing does exist. This has got two meanings. Think about both


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Edited by Enjoy (02/24/09 02:54 PM)

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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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And if everything has got no ending and no beginning it is the same as nothing.


Infinity has not yet really been proven to be real, for now we'll just settle with saying that it is a concept. However, this concept has at least some reality within, since it includes things that are in existence. Nothingness is a concept that refers to things that don't exist.
What you said is wrong because nothingness doesn't have a beginning and an end. It most definitely doesn't have a beginning by it's definition, and for something to have an end it must have a beginning.

Also, just to make sure we're on the same understanding, we both referred in out posts to both infinity and everything, and since I felt compelled to say that it isn't really clear if infinity exists, I need to specify that everything does exist. It refers to all the things in existence (finite or infinite). Let's assume that things are finite, and that their total number is 100 trillion. Does 0 = 100 trillion? :strokebeard:

Quote:
But hey, instead of just trying to explaining my point of view, explain yours.


This is what I keep doing each time I'm replying. :wink:

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Because you know what? The nothing does exist. And to play a little bit with the English language I'll write it: Nothing does exist. This has got two meanings. Think about both


I don't know what you're talking about when you say that it has two meanings, but one thing I can tell you for sure: nothingness exists only as a concept that describes the lack of existence. It doesn't physically exist.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Time machine [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Ah and what does it mean to you that it does not physically exist?
I thought you would go even higher.
If you don't get the sentence I wrote it makes no sense talking about this anyway :wink:
When you are on shrooms next time read this again, maybe paint it on the wall :wink:

Nothing does exist.

But maybe it goes too far outside to spirituality.

Oh and by the way, you still did not get what I said. My dear gaaawd ._.
Zero is not a positive number it is the highest positive number (let's say 100 trillion is the highest number) + -100 trillion

Because 100 trillion is NOT everything. You forgot the negative numbers.
Which goes to show that you still don't listen to what I've said 100%

Existance and not-existance (maybe we can call it inexistence) is the same. Ying and Yang is one. Shiva and Shakti. Inside and outside.

"as below so above and beyond I imagine"


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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2 people claiming to be right.
It seems like both want to be right.
But that's not exactly it.
The truth may be that both just don't want to be wrong.
And maybe both should accept that they may be sooo fucking wrong.
Being "right" just holds us from evolving

If I made you believe me than it's okay
If not, I'm fine with that, too.

We forgot once again what trail we are on. I don't know about you but I guess you are looking for spiritual evolution, too. For merging with god. Letting all become one and waking the kundalini.

I've got a secret for ya: We may (just may) have just totaly fucked up :laugh:


For me this discussion is dead have fun :smile:

Oh but I'd still want you to know what I mean by "nothing does exist" maybe you'll think about it :wink: It is more simple as you might think.


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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I think the fact that -10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10 = 0 is interesting; however, I don't know how accurate it is, I'm not a mathematician. Is there any here? : )

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Re: Time machine [Re: Kukaracha]
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Oh I don't think you have to be a mathematician to calculate this :wink:
let's keep it simple... ough, I don't really want to get into this again but as long as there is question I will give answer. If you believe it or not is your decision.

Whatever, let's keep it simple. Saying that our world is finite and 1 is the highest possible number. So there is -1, too.
And one, even if it is the highest number, is NOT everything. It is everything you can "touch" but not everything at all.
Now everything has to be 1 and -1.
And if you count 1-1 it adds up to?

Aaaaaight, zero. As easy as that :wink:


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Re: Time machine [Re: Enjoy]
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No, I mean, in maths we use real numbers, entire numbers, and so on (I don't know how they are called in english). We use positive infinity and negative infinity too.

However, math is math, it doesn't really reflect the world, it' more like our logic.

Can one say that the infinite is about negative numbers? Do negativity exists in reality?
Negativity is a lack. Is there an infinite lack? Is infinity about a lack? Do we consider the negative infinity when we look for absolute infinity? Isn't positive infinity enough?
Can we really sum it up with numbers?

I think the question gets a bit complex here, in the relation between mathematics and philosophy.

I'd rather keep it simple by saying that 0 is the origin. But then again, wasn't there anything in the origin? It depends wheter 0 was nothing or something.
0 is virtually nothing, but was there ever nothing?

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