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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Dang! How did you find out?





My spirit guide told me. :wink:

:grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
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*Ahem* Hate to break it to you, but your spirit guide was in on the hoax. Now he is using disinformation to confuse you further.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: Swami]
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Well, at least I'm not as confused as those millions of poor souls who think they are living in Tokyo... :lol:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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human beings the perfect machine??

Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way. Perhaps out alienated, oppressive civilization is a machine which forces us all to be cogs but we are, essentially, nothing of the sort.

Humanity is beautiful, imperfect, chaotic life beyond any structure, system or mechanical existance.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: NiamhNyx]
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NiamhNyx said:
Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way.


Sure we resemble machines. The entire nature of our ability to move is machinery at its finest. I don't even know if we have made robots that can move as fluidly as we do...

And then there is carrying out a specific action... when I wash dishes, I am a machine carrying out a task. I was programmed to do that task, I learned the automations. We're some of the most advanced and multi-purpose machines around. :grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: NiamhNyx]
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how is that we can't be compared to machines? that's just being blind isn't it? saying that there is NO WAY to compare ourselves with machines. what about the computer, that can be modled after the mind quite well.

we have memory (disk space) but we also have RAM that we use in the course of our day. we need to s"shut ourselves off" go to sleep even, in order for us to function at our prime levels during the day. same with the comp, you leave it on for too long, it gets bogged down by all the programs

can't humans be programmed? aren't shows on TV called programs? I say the computer can really be compared well with the mind. I don't have any proof to support this, but would it be possible that the comp was modeled after ourselves. the way I see it at least, a lot of what mankind does with machines has already been done by nature. we like to duplicate it

secondly, why are you going to assign the value judgement to disgusting? how is it disgusting to you?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
NiamhNyx said:
Disgusting. How much more alienated from ones body and from life can we get, if we truly believe our species is the perfect machine? Living beings are not machines, nor do we resemble them in any way.


Sure we resemble machines. The entire nature of our ability to move is machinery at its finest. I don't even know if we have made robots that can move as fluidly as we do...

And then there is carrying out a specific action... when I wash dishes, I am a machine carrying out a task. I was programmed to do that task, I learned the automations. We're some of the most advanced and multi-purpose machines around. :grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:

damn right!


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where i walk, i walk alone. when i fight, i fight alone. i am no one and i am nothing. yet all is that i am.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
faelr said:
in my perspective, the tree in the forrest doesn't make a sound. the forest doesn't exist. until i see the forest and the fallen tree i'm not going to believe it ever existed in the first place.....we don't think that differently, we just apply our opinion to different context. :smile:


That is sort of effectively ignorant, don't you think? I haven't experienced being in what is known as the city of Tokyo, but I have experienced evidence to suggest that it is there. Unless it has been a very intricate and elaborate hoax....  :smirk:

We have our consciousness and everything else might be observed by it, but that doesn't mean that there isn't anything outside of our consciousness that is to be experienced.

It is important to come to understand what consciousness is and how it perceives reality, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a reality existing beyond it. Our every idea of what reality actually is we only know because of our state of awareness, our consciousness, but it is still out there, existing without any inherent meaning. :grin:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Peace. :mushroom2:


have you ever seen tokyo? it's only as real as you believe. that like saying gremlins are real, have you seen a gremlin? a zombie? the tooth fairy!?!
please sense the sarcasim! the analytical mind is the only beast we have yet to tame.


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where i walk, i walk alone. when i fight, i fight alone. i am no one and i am nothing. yet all is that i am.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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Why do we have to tame the analytical mind? Serious debate mixed with sarcasm is a bad brew.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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analysis is great but, just like everything else, it should be used with some sort of restaint and control.


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where i walk, i walk alone. when i fight, i fight alone. i am no one and i am nothing. yet all is that i am.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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restraint....control?? what do you mean???

am I not to use what little talents that have been given to me???

am i to suppress what I can use?

or are you saying to take everything with a grain of salt so to speak? :wink:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: kaiowas]
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first off i'm not telling you what to do. it's just advice.
use your talents with respect for yourself and compassion for others.
the more control you obtain over your talents the more influencial and powerful they become.


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where i walk, i walk alone. when i fight, i fight alone. i am no one and i am nothing. yet all is that i am.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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words to define words makes sense to me.. the only way to define one word is to put it up against all other words. Humans are defined by all the things around them inculding machines. We choose different and always incomplete paradigms through which to understand the world around us. We say the human is a machine, and when we treat it as such we can perform certain, say, medical procedures. According to western medicine and, I suspect, the western world in general the human body is a machine. We remove parts, weld other parts together, clean the pistons, and so on. The Chinese medical paradigm accomplishes a whole other host of procedures based on viewing the body as a whole where balance is key to health and due to the holographic nature of our organism, all parts affect the whole. To gain skill as a martial artist, which is my life's work, I see my body in another paradigm. A musician may see the body as an intermediary between the listener's ears and some kind, of, I don't know, divine truth (or whatever). All these points of view can accomplish certain tasks within different disciplines.

To exist in a reality where the body is a machine can help all kinds of people, I'm sure. The modern economy demands mindlessness and repetitive work. To succeed in making profit the employee must act with the non-thinking efficiency of a robot, completing task after pointless task, and if this is your lot, then by all means feel free to think of the human organism as a machine. We all know they want you to.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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"first off i'm not telling you what to do. it's just advice."

hehe firstly I know it's just advice, I know you aren't "telling" me.  I jsut like to see where you are coming from that's all.  the more ideas and the more in depth the ideas are explained the better, IMHO anyways.  :laugh:

"the more control you obtain over your talents the more influencial and powerful they become."

I guess what I should have asked is, what type of control are you referring to.  :smile:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Sure, human beings, animals and ecosystems can be compared to machines, as long as we're using a reductionist lens for viewing these things. My problem is that when we become accustomed to viewing our bodies and the earth as machines we lose sight of any anyalysis suggestive of something beyond simple machinery.

A major problem with modernity is its reduction of life to a mechanistic paradigm in which we are all just "survival machines" biologically programmed to complete the requisite motions for self-perpetuation. Regardless of whether it's a consistant description, on some base level, it's so reductionistic that it serves no purpose beyond the perpetuation of our own modern pathology of comtempt for life.

As my fingers type these messages they may be demonstrating a fine example of mechanical precision, but I would like to think that more can be said about this moment than that.

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: faelr]
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I don't think we're a perfect machine. I feel that if we were the ultimate technology, we wouldn't have had to invent "the tool" and get ourselves into the amazing mess we find ourselves in at this moment.

edit: but of course, perhaps it is the "perfect biological machine" that INVENTS "the tool" in order to speed up the planet's evolution and possibly assist in some "cosmic cause" that requires said tools.

In my opinion, though, we're spending too much of our resources on making tools that are not going to assist mankind in any way whatsoever.


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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
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If you want proof look up a girl who was locked up in an attic until she was seven years of age with no humanly contact. She was animalistic. (I forget her name, but it is a popular study in developmental psychology).



Feral Children

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Re: human beings. the perfect machine. [Re: daba]
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"b) stay out of the dick-tionary. it's worthless."

come on now that is absurd...... what the hell do I do when I come across a word I am unfamiliar with, then? Just sit there and try to wild-guess it? go to the shroomery and ask YOU? no, I head to www.dictionary.com (no I don't work for them..).

sorry for getting off-topic, but I just thought it was very funny that you said the dictionary is worthless


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