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When Does Human Life Begin?
    #793923 - 08/03/02 09:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Tough question? Perhaps it's really not all that tough but a well reasoned answer may conflict with a person's desires. Before formulating answers, I ask that you ignore any questions or assertions about a woman's right to choose. Please do not try to justify your answer based on abortion rights. My inquiry is only about the following question...

When do you think that human life begins and why?


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OfflineAdamist
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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #793942 - 08/03/02 09:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

With the birth of a star.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #793945 - 08/03/02 09:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Some would say at ejaculation.

Since I don't really remember anything before age 3, I could say my life began at around age 3. But that doesn't seem right. I think the biological answer is that it begins when the egg is fertilized. Yeah, that's my final answer.

As far as the ever-present abortion issue... I'll reserve my thoughts on that until someone brings that up (it WILL happen evolving... you know it will).


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #793949 - 08/03/02 09:44 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sometime in the middle of the 9 months when the child is a fetus the soul is connected to the body- when there is enough brain matter and nerves formed to act as a conductor for the soul.




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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: Murex]
    #793956 - 08/03/02 09:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

... when the child is a fetus the soul is connected to the body- when there is enough brain matter and nerves formed to act as a conductor for the soul.
How would you determine this?


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: Murex]
    #793961 - 08/03/02 09:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If you read about past life regression, some patients who are hypnotised claim to remember when they are in fetus. This is very early on during the pregnancy.
Sometimes within a couple of weeks after being conceived. Not sure exactly though.
Other patients claim to feel a burning sensation, (during their hypnosis session) when going back that far, when a mother tries to have an abortion.
Weird....


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: GreyMatter]
    #793964 - 08/03/02 09:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A conductor for the soul?


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794019 - 08/03/02 10:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The moment conception takes place.


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Anonymous

Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794021 - 08/03/02 10:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Before this thread gets heavy let me answer your question with a riddle:

This Christmas I am going to give you a basketball. I know I shouldn't tell you now because that will spoil the surprise but I am anyway. It is nicely gift-wrapped [edit] box [end edit] with a pretty bow. When you open it you notice that it has very little air in it.

What will be in the box I will give you?


Edited by Anonymous (08/03/02 11:28 AM)


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794129 - 08/03/02 11:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You said nothing of a box... gift wrapped does not mean there is a box involved.
Rephrase the question.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: Sclorch]
    #794147 - 08/03/02 11:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

There, is that better?

And put that megaphone down. I'm not deaf ya know.

Cheers,


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Anonymous

Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794168 - 08/03/02 11:55 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What will be in the box I will give you?
A flat basketball.

I'll PM you with my mailing address.


Edited by Anonymous (08/03/02 11:55 AM)


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794231 - 08/03/02 01:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A flat basketball.

Exactly.

Now you can never say you didn't get something out of being here.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794232 - 08/03/02 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sometime in the middle of the 9 months when the child is a fetus the soul is connected to the body- when there is enough brain matter and nerves formed to act as a conductor for the soul.

Exactly what I believe...however, who is to say exactly when it happens. I don't think it can be determined for certain.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794445 - 08/03/02 03:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think Adamist's response captures the underlying message of what would have been my answer.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: buttonion]
    #794457 - 08/03/02 03:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If a fetus is developed to a certian point-

When it isn't just a bunch of cells groing, but when the sum is greater than it's parts. When it is a functioning machine, with a heart that beats and a brain that works. When it starts to move.



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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ]
    #794475 - 08/03/02 03:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

When the infant, can and does survive outside of the womb without the benefit of life support devices. Be that in a time frame less than 9 months or longer. As technology progresses, the begining of life will change as to just how early we can have an infant survive outside of the womb.


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: mr freedom]
    #794742 - 08/03/02 07:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah... a future of bottled babies. We'll throw in different concentrations of alcohol to standardize different classes of people. Alphas, Betas, Deltas.....

Where have I heard this before? hmmm.....


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: Sclorch]
    #794768 - 08/03/02 08:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

With the birth of a star.

Nice....I would say that also..


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Re: When Does Human Life Begin? [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #794888 - 08/03/02 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It Depends what you define as human, do you just mean the body or mind.
If it the mind i would say we have been here over 2 billion years in some form or other going back since the creation of the universe.. But if you mean the body then as soon as the egg is fertilised. But even then whats the definition of life.
Does it mean the begining of conciousness, or the simple doubleing of cells.


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