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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9878848 - 02/27/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hubbub said: Technology created over population. Population didnt create technology.
True that it did speed it up quite a bit. But you are going to have to consider all technology "the machine" including the spear and the bow and the stick not to mention taming fire. So do we have go go back up into the trees?
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Icelander]
#9879071 - 02/27/09 05:17 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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No, Im not talking about spears, canoes, bows, and wheels. Im talking about advanced machinery here. Cars, factories, television, computers, etc.
Im not talking about rocks and sticks tied together with sharpened ends. Those are not machines. A machine is a tool, but tools are not machines. I adressed this in the original post.
Anyway, I dont believe there is any population control. Maybe in China, but if the world was like China it would have ended already.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9879077 - 02/27/09 05:18 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hubbub said: No, Im not talking about spears, canoes, bows, and wheels. Im talking about advanced machinery here. Cars, factories, television, computers, etc.
Are you also arguing for the dismantling of hospitals and advanced medical technology?
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9879082 - 02/27/09 05:19 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nah, I don't think people will follow you.
Edited by Kukaracha (02/27/09 05:20 PM)
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: deCypher]
#9879113 - 02/27/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yes of course. Advanced machinery. ALL modern and advanced machinery. That doesnt wipe out all medicine though and it doesnt even wipe out surgery. The ancients practiced surgery with just sharpened instruments and a natural anesthesia.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9879125 - 02/27/09 05:29 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, then I must disagree with you. Abolishing technology is impossible; people don't want to give up their material comforts and backwards regression is almost never successful. I wouldn't want to live back in ancient times when people were convinced spirits were the cause of diseases and the concept of germs was unheard-of.
Try to focus more on improving our lives with the possibilities of technology than decrying its negatives.
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If humans enjoy love then why would they make machines such that it would end love?
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9879153 - 02/27/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Without technology, you wouldn't even have the ability to be posting this. No thank you. I entirely enjoy my conveniences. In fact, I would fight actively against anyone trying to do away with them.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: deCypher]
#9879244 - 02/27/09 05:49 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I wouldn't want to live back in ancient times when people were convinced spirits were the cause of diseases and the concept of germs was unheard-of.
How about modern times where people believe that praying can effect disease?
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yeah, I think the ancient peoples are largely misunderstood. They were not cave men. We are no smarter than they were.
I think they had a different way with words and a different way of explaining things. Obviously they didnt have the extended vocabulary and classification system as we do, so an evil spirit could have been their way of describing an illness.
Stress can cause cancer. An evil spirit can possess you. I think its just different ways to say basically the same thing.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: deCypher]
#9879350 - 02/27/09 06:04 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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deCypher said: Try to focus more on improving our lives with the possibilities of technology than decrying its negatives.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: zouden]
#9879452 - 02/27/09 06:19 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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We go through this at least once a month here: People using a tool to decry the same tool. Doesn't get any more ironic and hypocritical than that.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: zouden]
#9879558 - 02/27/09 06:28 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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The machines are the extension of the left side of our consciousness. The masculine side, the intellectual and logical side. This masculine aspect of ourselvs is so dominant today that it over powers the female side of our consciousness. The right side, the emotional side, the compassionate side, the spiritual side and the sensitive side. Does the suppression of women for thousands of years have anything to do with this? Maybe.
Well, if you havent noticed our society promotes insensitivity. It suppresses emotion and compassion. This is coming from personal experiences and many people will agree with me on this.
We need to bring the emotion, the spirit, the compassion and the heart back into our culture. I dont believe it will beable to fully sprout within the confines of this industrial society. And not only is it killing the human spirit, but its destroying the Earth. Its killing innocent life and deteriorating the atmosphere.
Do you wish logic over feeling?
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9879627 - 02/27/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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and many people will agree with me on this.
And many people will disagree with you on this. Sounds like a consensus.
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We need to bring the emotion, the spirit, the compassion and the heart back into our culture.
You are the spokesperson for all mankind?
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yes.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9883124 - 02/28/09 09:46 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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No, Im not talking about spears, canoes, bows, and wheels. Im talking about advanced machinery here. Cars, factories, television, computers, etc.
Do you not see a problem here. One thing lead to another and without the bow and spear then the machine would not have been. You will need to somehow stop humans from creating tools or having the desire to otherwise it will just be a matter of time until the machine is back.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Icelander]
#9883461 - 02/28/09 10:39 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Monkeys and birds use things that you had quoted as "the machine."
I dont believe machines ever needed to be created. There are still places where people live without machines. Places that dont use currency. I think the invention of money fueled their creation and they are a product of our seperation from the natural world. The place I call reality.
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Hubbub]
#9883499 - 02/28/09 10:45 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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Why not move to one of those places then?
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Re: WE MUST DESTROY THE MACHINES!!! [Re: Redstorm]
#9883551 - 02/28/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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I think we all know the answer to that one.
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I live in a small town in Arkansas with a population of 200 people. There is no hospital and there is no police station. There isnt anything except a single paved raod, a small gas station, a post office and a small little school.
If the machines were destroyed tomorrow it would have no effect on this entire area.
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