Apology accepted, though I don't really remember being called a fool. I guess after being called so much in my life words that belittle me tend to be forgotten quickly.
Thank you for the kind words, as they are something I'm not oft to find in forums of spiritual debate.
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What is their reason to save me?
Compassion, kinship, love for all things natural. I offer my services out of the goodness of my heart, and not for the rewards of eternal pleasures. When I see someone in distress I act out of the mutual betterment and companionship of mankind.
I believe that everyone has the ability to be good, and left to their own devices they will naturally seek peaceful and helpful outcomes in situations. I think an individual will only start to lean towards (or even feel) negative impulses only when they are taught such. I think the label of God in these two situations is merely one of many catalysts. One could believe that God is the source of the compassion or their hate, it just depends on which way they were taught to apply it. God(s) is/are not the reason, but an example.
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someone SO CONVICTED in their beliefs in morality that they would stand a better chance to not succumb to cowardice.
I will agree to this, as a person who is utterly and completely convinced of a cause will stand steadfast regardless of the outcome, including one of death. Where we differ is you make me believe that you only think this kind of determination can only be induced by the hand of God(s). There can be many factors to produce such an effect, and not all are just. Some examples would include patriotism, wealth, family, or even something so simple as the love of trees.
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I would die for YOU
I thank you for the offer, but I think you should toss a (*) on the end of it. I'm more than sure there are situations where you would gladly not die for me, or may even promote the idea of my death. Now don't be offended or taken aback by my assertion, but the simple facts are there are things I can do that would change your conviction of preserving my life.
Can you honestly tell me that if I was holding a child ransom for money with a gun to their head and officer friendly took the shot to end my life, you would jump in the path of the bullet? I doubt it.
Now if I pulled the trigger on the child, would you be willing to jump in the path then? I would like to believe so, and I think many people would be willing to do the same. Now what if it was a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Atheist child? I believe that if the potential saviors knew that tidbit of info, the percentage of people willing to trade places would greatly fluctuate depending on corresponding/conflicting faith.
I don't see this as moral ineptitude regardless of faith, but moral ineptitude brought on through faith.
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quickest way for Earth to unify under peace would be through God and not through Atheism
I agree. If Allah made the sun say "Allah is real", came to earth and started touring with miracles you would see the earth unify faster than a line forming for free pie.
The problem is there is nothing like this, and all faiths have the same thing to show for their claims . . . nothing. So as a result faiths fracture infinitely, new faiths are forming (you need your Thetans cleansed!), and there is no end in sight.
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This would of course require the dissolution of ignorance
Now we come to the dirty, ape loving, Darwin worshiping Atheists who have "nothing" to offer. They have plain, boring, unexciting, science. They don't hide eggs and decorate trees. They don't dance around fires or hypnotize snakes. They don't have wondrous stories of men flying on carpets, or women changing the weather. They always require evidence first, so they have zero amazing stories and no cool promises to offer.
All they have are their facts and logic. So what's the problem with them? Their mere existence threatens the multi-billion dollar, tax free, ever present, all controlling, fear inducing machine that is religion. So through religious propaganda Atheism is viewed as a scourge. Something vile and evil. They preach that we are unthinking, uncaring, remorseless puppets of near-life unable to show acts of kindness or compassion and never feel love.
That's simply not true. Atheists have a stronger connection to morality than any person of "Main stream" faith. We make our decisions purely on a "here and now" mind set. We do good works for the betterment of humanity, and the progress of the human race. We give no thought to supernatural reward, and we are not seeking divine head pats. We do not think we are better than someone else because "we are of the chosen people" and do not view human urges and actions as something to be repressed or cloaked. We embrace our humanity and promote free thought and unbiased action. We refuse to think of ourselves as being born "unclean" or in need of "saving". Through the dissolution of ignorance you must dissolve this kind of faith. Both can not co-exist.
Complacent towards life? When I read of the Inquisition, female genital mutilation, African genocide, Irish Catholic/protestant conflicts, Buddhist castes, Roman persecution, Human sacrifice, Crusade/Jihad, plus hundreds of others all attributed purely to faith I see complacency towards life. If I was complacent towards life I wouldn't be typing this right now.
And what crimes can you pin on Atheism? Why coming to forums and asking for evidence of religion of course. Oh the atrocity.
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I dunno it's just a funny thing to me...to want to avoid the topic because they are so firm in their ideas, yet argue with the same silly bastards that they despise
Avoid? Sure, I would love to avoid dogmatic debate, but the fact of the matter is if I don't say something, it's going to just get worse and worse. Their goal is to control me, my aim to remain free and free others. So if I care at all, I need to take some action, so I do.
Despise? No, no, and no. When I speak to people my goal isn't to anger them, belittle them, or to antagonize them in any way. What are my goals? I want to free them. Yes, I'm sure you just scoffed right now, but I really do see religion as a cage, and believers as the captive. Religion controls their actions, their words, and their thoughts. Don't do this, don't do that, don't say this, don't say that. Even thinking it makes you guilty of doing it, so don't even think it. Now give them all your money so they can expand, build, and conquer. Then after you do all this and die, you will be rewarded. After all, all you really need to do is die. I see this . . . I cringe . . . and I fear for people. Billions of people swallow this, hook line and sinker. They go about it as if there's nothing strange about it all, because to them there isn't. Their grandparents did it and indoctrinated their parents while the children were too young to know any better. Their parents did it and indoctrinated them while they were too young to make decisions. They intend to follow through as well and fully expect their underdeveloped child's mind who they just indoctrinated into their religion to do the same. This insane cycle repeats over and over and over, while religious leaders laugh all the way to the bank for depositing of your tithes.
The horrible part in all this is when I even attempt to show them what they are doing they become irate and belligerent. How DARE I break from their traditions! How DARE I question their dogmas! How DARE I ask them to look around! How DARE I attempt to remove their restraints! They scare the shit out of me, but I really want to help.
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the difference between a Jehovah's witness and another solicitor?!?!
If you don't go to the bake sale next Thursday you don't burn in hell for all eternity. Basically the other solicitors don't threaten you.
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(simply because more people believe in God then not)
But there is hope. Atheism is on the rise. Currently one is six people are "Strong" Atheists. In many of the leading European and Asian countries, Atheism is viewed by almost half the population. A recent Mensa study shows that as individuals intellect and education rises, the belief of religion lowers. Let's work together to end world ignorance.
Ok, I admit I got a little emotional when writing this, and that is a miracle in and of itself. I'm normally very able to keep my emotions in check while writing, so if my rant offended you I do apologize as this is a very deep subject for me.
I would like to just say a few more things before the end.
When I speak of religion, I do not mean spirituality. I view them as two separate entities.
I fully understand what you mean when you speak of your God. What you have is something to be cherished as I think you live life according to your own philosophies and your own beliefs. God is as much part of you as anything will ever be. You see God everywhere and feel a personal connection to him/her/it that is beyond words. You will not allow others to impose their views or practices upon you, as you have already found what you were looking for. I firmly believe our true differences between you and I are: you think you follow your God's convictions and values, while I believe that your God mirrors you. But the fact of the matter is the outcome is the same: A good person.
What you have is an amazing thing, and I hope nothing ever takes that away from you. If everyone thought like you then there would be none of the dogmatic ugliness of the world that we are forced to endure today.
I'm long winded . . . I know.
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Choosing a religion is like playing the lotto, you can't get saved if you don't play! ~ Bill Maher
The efficiency of the truly national leader consists primarily in preventing the division of the attention of a people, and always in concentrating it on a single enemy. ~Adolf Hitler
10 years in an American prison right here folks, be careful!
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