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The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer
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Note: Haven't had one of these enlightening discussions in months. :crazy:


S: Strives to have an internally consistent viewpoint.

B: Consistency is not very important.


S: Enjoys having his ideas challenged/questioned as it is a way to further knowledge.

B: Hates having his ideas challenged as they are writ in stone and should never be questioned as he already knows the important stuff.


S: Doesn't give a damn what you believe in until it affects him.

B: Has an overpowering urge to get you to accept his dogma and will not rest until you do.


S: Likes broccoli.

B: Hates broccoli.


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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (11/14/08 11:08 AM)

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
S: Likes broccoli.

B: Hates broccoli.


Key point! :thumbup:

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
S: Strives to have an internally consistent viewpoint.

B: Consistency is not very important.

S: Enjoys having his ideas challenged/questioned as it is a way to further knowledge.

B: Hates having his ideas challenged as they are writ in stone and should never be questioned as he already knows the important stuff.

S: Doesn't give a damn what you believe in until it affects him.

B: Has an overpowering urge to get you to accept his dogma and will not rest until you do.

S: Likes broccoli.

B: Hates broccoli.


I don't agree with any of this.  Skeptics can be just as dogmatic and stubborn as religious zealots.  They don't necessarily like having their ideas challenged, and a lot of them hate broccoli.  Most 'skeptics' are believers, IMO.  They have the same burning urge to come to rest on a belief, just perhaps without as much wishful thinking.  The dichotomy should be between believers and agnostics.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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This is a gross and inaccurate generalization. Really, none of these hold true in any regard.


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I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now that dream is over and the insect is awake

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I agree with your post, as it technically stands, but I feel a lot is left unsaid.

Being a skeptic is better when formulating one's principles than being a believer, purely because no belief should be accepted unquestioningly.  Distrust everything and anyone; only agree to something if it's been logically verified or if you've experienced it yourself.

At the same time, living one's life is impossible as a die-hard skeptic; only when you have accepted a few beliefs as your foundation can you pragmatically accomplish anything.  I presume you believe that you exist.  I also presume you believe that you're breathing air right now, that you're typing on a computer right now, and that other people exist.

And you tried to lump yourself into the skeptic category... for shame.  :nono:


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Nexion]
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Nexion said:
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
S: Likes broccoli.

B: Hates broccoli.


Key point! :thumbup:


Broccoli makes you really logical. Yum!


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Redrawing]
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Redrawing said:
This is a gross and inaccurate generalization. Really, none of these hold true in any regard.


Stick around and see for yourself.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Redrawing]
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I am going to guess that you and WC hate broccoli.

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Really, none of these hold true in any regard.


Oh, really? Who is more likely to get banned even when following the rules: a fundamentalist on a skeptic message board or a skeptic on a fundamentalist message board?

How many skeptics have accosted you in the airport or knocked on your door with a dogmatic pamphlet?


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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
How many skeptics have accosted you in the airport or knocked on your door with a dogmatic pamphlet?


How many anti-believer, pro-skeptic rants from OC have visually assaulted my eyeballs upon entering P&S?

Well, at least you're evening out the score.  :thumbup:


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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: deCypher]
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He's trying to save you dude. Show some appreciation.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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B:  Love and Faith are both passions. They release known/unknown chemicals in the brain.
S: They need

  B: Super inflated.
  S: They blow.

    B: Actions are subject to extremes (realistic moral or the “rules”). The enforcing releases more chemicals.
    S: It is a maybe or a probably not. 
 
  B: We are it.
    S: Probably not.  I can show you proof.

    Note: S is not to be confused with Socrates. “ I know that I know nothing” When I was a young man I went to the oracle at Delphi… and now…  @3$556&* Hey… what were Socrates last words?


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Wave.
'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
  Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Recondicom]
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They release known/unknown chemicals in the brain.

Now how would you know they release "unknown" chemicals in the brain unless you are a true believer?:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Recondicom]
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Quote:
I know nothing! No-thing!



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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Icelander]
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I would answer with the X-files.  But...It is classified.


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Wave.
'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape.
  Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Recondicom]
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"The truth is out there". Go deep.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Icelander]
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Marianas Trench? Already been to Roswell...


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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Nexion said:
Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
S: Likes broccoli.

B: Hates broccoli.


Key point! :thumbup:


Broccoli makes you really logical. Yum!


I eat a big bowl of brocoli everyday, theres that theory out the window...


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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Try Marilyn Chambers.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Chronic7]
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I eat a big bowl of brocoli everyday, theres that theory out the window...

It has to be organically grown..:tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Main Differences between Skeptic and Believer [Re: Icelander]
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Sorry to be so pedantic but i only eat organic veg, apart from the pickles in my bacon double cheeseburger


I think being skeptical is good if you really still have the urge to discover truth, but if you dismiss everything as mystical new age nonsense then your just as ignorant as people who blindly believe in it, your still stuck in a mind state thats rigid & unopen to new knowledge, we are always learning so open minded scepticism is good, but closed minded scepticism is the most ignorant imo

The fact is that new knowledge comes in from the unknown, so if your not willing to explore the unknown then your being ignorant


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"


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