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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
There is a HUGE difference between concealing their own projects & concealing the presence of aliens.  I think you give the government far too much credit.  :rolleyes:


He certainly does.  They cannot keep tabs on the undeniable UFO videos and alien-implants that sooo many people have.  Not to mention all those wack-jobs that talk about their abduction experiences and the pictures and all those pictures that have surfaced on the net.  Oh yea, they're just movie props, there's no about about it.  They couldn't possibly be real!  Even though we all agree that alien life is a 100% probability.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Humble lurker]
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P.S. I know who you REALLY are. :puppet:


Me too. :lol:


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Even though we all agree that alien life is a 100% probability.



Do we?  Or do most of us agree that SOME sort of life exists somewhere else in the Universe?  It is a stretch of the imagination to say that a belief in extraterrestrial life = a belief in intelligent, interstellar travelers who have visited Earth multiple times & somehow left zero evidence (or it was covered up by our highly-efficient government agencies. :rolleyes:)

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Icelander]
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Does his original handle sound like a children's farm song?


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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That's what it is for me.

I've yet to meet a person who thinks that alien life somewhere in the vast regions of the cosmos is impossible.

Obviously most people do not expand their perspective to come to the conclusions that I have (coupled with the current evidence). Yes, it is a stretch of the imagination but it is by no means illogical. Linear logic is old.

Zero evidence? I've mentioned the alien implants numerous times.

Also, the UFOs that many people have seen are PROOF of advanced technologies. This doesn't equal aliens, but it equals the reality of intelligent life (us) advancing to the point of possible inter-stellar travel. The ex head of Lockheed Skunkworks said himself that we can travel amongst the stars.


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Edited by Ginseng1 (03/13/08 11:37 AM)

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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most people do not expand their perspective  = most people do not engage in wild speculation

:lol:

C'mon, UFO sightings and so-called alien implants do not add up to a solid foundation for believing in alien visitation.  I think that you've been fooled.  :shrug:

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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Some people want/need to be fooled. Life is just too bleak otherwise.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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How is it wild speculation? How??  A belief in reincarnation is wild speculation.
 
Contact testimony of all sorts (high and low status), existing advanced technology, alien implants, the on-going drive for life, evolution, intelligence, the incomprehesibly complex structures of the universe, descriptions and pictures of ETs...  how is a belief in ET visitation wild speculation?  It's the same thing as using as black-hole to balance out a mathematical equation.  Except we can't use math for an unpredictable life experience (yet).

What is your conclusion to all this?  Maybe I have been fooled along with millions of people, part of this group including highly credible individuals such as astronauts and nuclear physicists.

I think that you just don't "get it". :shrug:


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Here's a great article on this topic:

http://skepdic.com/aliens.html

I definitely "get" the reasons why people want to believe in alien visitation, I just disagree that there is ANY credible evidence which supports this belief.

But who knows, maybe this Disclosure Project will result in some hard evidence coming forward for scientific testing & verification.  I would be VERY interested in this topic if was moved out of the realm of DMT elves, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster.  The fact that NONE of the alien implants have been tested is highly suspicious, as is the lack of physical evidence.  Even astronauts and nuclear physicists can be delusional.  :shrug:

BTW, the results of your poll might be more accurate if you defined what you mean by "ET presence."

Edited by Veritas (03/13/08 12:01 PM)

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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how is a belief in ET visitation wild speculation?

How about lack of verifiable proof?


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Icelander]
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Don't let that stop you! Facts just get in the way.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Icelander]
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Right on. I understand. The point for me is that this is an obvious reality. I don't need to be spoon fed verifiable proof to know what's up. I don't see why so many people are hungry for some tangible evidence when it's easy to understand that we are dealing with something beyond our full comprehension. It comes down to a mere acknowledgement of this.

Alien-implants are concrete evidence of "something". We can't verify what exactly this is evidence for. So then what? We ignore it simply because it can't be fully scientifically attatched to an undeniable ET presence? Why not just put it in the "most likely linked to alien visitation, due to lack of evidence proving otherwise".

Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence.



:lol:  This is an example of a logical fallacy called "appeal to ignorance."  Carl Sagan included it in his "Baloney Detection Kit." 

Lack of evidence is lack of evidence.  In the absence of evidence, the most logical standpoint is that "X" most likely does not exist.  Once evidence has been produced, it can be evaluated as to whether it supports the claims.

You keep harping on the 'alien' implants, but where is the evidence of these?  Where have they been offered up for examination and testing?  So far, what we have is a bunch of people making claims, and zero physical evidence.  :shrug:

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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Check these out for now:



http://www.alienscalpel.com/main.htm

Lack of evidence does not equal non-existance.

If the day comes when it is proved to you and the rest, you shouldn't have a problem in accepting it since you said you believe it's possible.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Video clips do not constitute verification of physical evidence. When will these so-called "alien" implants be presented for third-party verification?

Lack of evidence does not PROVE non-existence, nor can anything PROVE non-existence, but it does logically lead one to assume non-existence until solid evidence is presented. It is not logical to assume existence in the absence of verifiable evidence.

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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To further refine the responses to your poll, I offer the following:
ET Life exists
You may choose only one
Intelligent ET Life exists
You may choose only one
Interstellar travel by ETs
You may choose only one
ET visits to Earth
You may choose only one
ET interactions with humans
You may choose only one
Alien implants
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 03/13/08 12:31 PM until the end of time

View the results of this poll | Filter by response


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Veritas]
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In this video there is third party verification. Video clips is how word of anything really gets out to the masses that presents true verification. See - T.V. Unless we go out and verify it yourself, we must depend on what is presented to us through the media.

So it was illogical to assume the world was round when there was a lack of verifiable evidence. It was illogical to assume that we could capture moments in time with a photograph until it was verified.

Let's end it here and agree to disagree. I think the imagination/mind is the tool that must use before the truth is undoubtedly presented to us. We must sharpen said tools before we can begin to use "logic" in a phenomena that we have yet to understand.


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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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:shiftyeyes:

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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Your examples do not work, as they do not relate to the existence of something. In the absence of evidence, the scientist assumes that something most likely does not exist.

We shall certainly have to agree to disagree. Until there is verifiable evidence, alien visitation is simply not a supportable belief.

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Re: Do You Believe in an Extra-Terrestrial Presence? [Re: Ginseng1]
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That poll is no good. We are dealing with unverifiable proof, man. Nobody can declare any of it as fact. You have to incorporate the fact ofopinion into the wording.

"ET life exists" - No.

umm....


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