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Ego Death
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3712848 - 02/01/05 10:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Does the evidence point to E.T? Blatently and I am yet to see anything that goes against the many reasons given for for why it does.
Apart from 1: Current science suggests we cannot travel beyond the speed of light.
However, aliens would not be at our level of current science.
Science changes constantly which is why I put those funny quotes at the end of the text.
There would also be many other possibilities, if for instance a race worked for the greater of the race, not the individual, they would happily travel the distances slowly whilst procreating more beings.
Or they could set up spacestations and slowly jump their way through space as they expand.
Or they could work out that time and space is not linear.
Weigh up the evidence?
You're logic wouldn't be dodging this now would it Hue ^^^^ !!!
Please go on, justify yourself. You've had long enough to think about it!
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Ego Death
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3713104 - 02/01/05 11:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I often hear claims of no picture evidence of UFO's heres a few recent pics I found from my country alone.
Havant UK - March 2004
Dorset UK - 1998
There are many more, these were sourced from the BBC. They have an excellent and trustworthy resource for UK UFO sightings.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3713124 - 02/01/05 11:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's no way those blurry circles could be anything but alien spacecraft.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3713130 - 02/01/05 11:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice shiny dots.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3713816 - 02/01/05 01:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great UFO pics. They are Unidentified and Flying Objects of some sort.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3713821 - 02/01/05 02:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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The third one has been identified as a 1964 Pontiac Starfire hubcap. Is the model name mere coincidence - I think NOT!
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Swami]
#3713826 - 02/01/05 02:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are is a pic of similar quality to dano's:
The webpage of the guy who took the picture is here: http://www.skeptic.com/UFO-Pages/UFO-1-models.htm This is a special variety of spacecraft called an IFO.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3713834 - 02/01/05 02:20 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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WRONG BUSTER! Your pic is of a much higher quality. Notice the lack of digital aliasing in yours. Doh!
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Ego Death
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3714407 - 02/01/05 04:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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danoEoboy said: I often hear claims of no picture evidence of UFO's
Pictures have been analysed and confirmed as non-hoaxes.
Hang on a minute, who was earlier telling me not to base decisions on a sighting alone. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Huehuecoyotl said: My argument addresses the tendancy of people to interpret what they have seen based on what they WANT to see instead of evidence. ...... Self interest and fantasy is playing entirely too big a role when one sees a UFO and immediately declares it a spaceship.
Credible or not 3 pictures changes nothing when considering such a vast phenomena, at least not for me!
So Hue, you base your post on what you want to see instead of evidence, you're guilty of your own analogy. I ask again: provide some evidence, if you can!
Diversion tactics, eh Hue? You really are good at backing up what you say with evidence and sound logic, you've proved that now.
Edited by danoEoboy (02/01/05 05:30 PM)
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3715178 - 02/01/05 06:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Pictures have been analysed and confirmed as non-hoaxes.
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Swami said: The third one has been identified as a 1964 Pontiac Starfire hubcap. Is the model name mere coincidence - I think NOT!
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Ego Death]
#3715564 - 02/01/05 08:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look, I just demonstrated that these types of photos are not empirical evidence or even good anecdotal evidence. The UFO in my picture is a hubcap.
"Pictures have been analysed and confirmed as non-hoaxes"
Then show me some of those. The pictures you posted are too indistinct, and too easily faked. Check this one out.
It's made from a DQ blizzard lid on a string. Forensic quality evidence is required to verify something of this nature.
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Cosm
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3715739 - 02/01/05 08:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah that may be fake, but why is it that every ufo pic is a flying suacer.even the really old ones.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Cosm]
#3715819 - 02/01/05 08:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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One of the first saucer shaped spaceships was in the movie "Forbidden Planet" (1953) which predated the bulk of the UFO phenomenon by several years. Other saucer movies followed. It was in the public conciousness. Modern UFO accounts usually describe more "modern" seeming craft...but for photos you just can't beat the simplicity of a hubcap or Frisbee.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3715923 - 02/01/05 08:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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UFO sightings were described long before 60's. If we are to discart medival period and other "superstitious" times, there have been reports from the 19th century of sightings of both flying saucer type objects and the flying cigars that are often mentioned by pilots.
I find that the best proof of such objects are sightings of pilots. these people know what a plane is and how a plane moves.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3715945 - 02/01/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have never seen a UFO nor have I seen a spaceship.
I believe that aliens do exist, but I'm not sure if they have visited this little planet floating in this vast universe yet.
but there's always a possibility...
-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: kaiowas]
#3715983 - 02/01/05 09:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I believe that aliens do exist, but I'm not sure if they have visited this little planet floating in this vast universe yet." That is where I stand as well.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#3715988 - 02/01/05 09:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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The flying saucer itself is post WWII.
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kaiowas
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3715999 - 02/01/05 09:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmm...this makes me want to go check on drawings that were done thousands of years ago that some say suggest an alien visit.
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-------------------- Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Cosm
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3716008 - 02/01/05 09:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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here's one taken in 1927 and one that the Russians built a few years back.you know there is also a theory that humans built these devices.the Germans started it first back in the 30's or 40' supposedly. There are US patents on the design of how these work.there able to produce gravitational fields.
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Re: UFO's DON'T EXIST & THEY ARE NOT EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3716025 - 02/01/05 09:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think there's a certin aspect of human nature that sees us as dominate over all. When the question comes up if another race, using technology that completly defies everything we understand about the universe, comes to earth to abduct and study people, our human nature makes us laugh at even the thought of it.
Heres what i think of Aliens and stuff;
Do aliens exist? Of course they do! you'd have to be an idiot not to agree, the evidence that life exists beyond ours is growing everyday. go to NASA.com and read all of the new planets they've discovered.
Have aliens visited earth? I beleive that they have been visiting earth since prehistoric times, studying us just as they're probably doing now.
Do they come in peace? I think that these aliens are 100% non-aggressive. they are a race of scientists who probably fly around the galaxy in their little space ships just seeing what makes the universe tick. It makes sence, how would a warlike race of beings (like ours) possibility get to such a point in technological advancment without blowing themselves up (like we will)? Human beings turn every opportunity to help mankind into an opportunity to hurt it, and something tells me that we wont last that much longer with the same philosophies we've been going off of since the beginning of time.
I hope im not repeating anybody or restating old stuff, i didnt have time to read all the posts and i just wanted to put my opinion down on the subject.
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