Twirling said:

I'm curious, how would you define the 5th dimension?

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Learyfan said:

I've always wanted to see an extraterrestrial, but they don't come to visit me or anyone I know. I wish they'd reveal themselves unequivocally already and turn this world upside down.

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It's interesting, because that 3rd person aspect of consciousness is real, in that it's a real perspective to dissociate your identity and the concepts of who you are. There are some psychiatric disorders which fit your description well (one criteria for the diagnosis is that it is not induced by drugs). I look at what you are describing as a form of consciousness which is just a relevant as a "sober" state, just not useful or congruent for survival purposes.

n other words, dissociative experiences are such that the mind loses track of the identity your sober state carries. While there might not have been an animal presence there, there is a certain value in seeing yourself from a third person perspective. The funny, yet sad thing, is that most people would dismiss the experience as drug induced, and therefore subject to being crazy and without merit. Yet many people don?t realize when their sober state takes on an identity not out of true sense of self, but as a matter of survival, fitting in, and security. We shield ourselves from so many things in our sober state of mind, and aren?t aware of it. It?s just a natural psychological process.

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Tranceharper said:

Leery , if it works why question it Its called Faith -Tranceharper

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Ravus said:

I agree, the third person view we get on dissociatives is not delusional, but rather just another valid viewpoint induced by drugs; the mind must be there to create it under the influence of drugs, but in my opinion, it is nonetheless true. The room is the room, and I am an animal or an object in it; the main thing I would disagree with dissociatives on, other than the presences I feel, is that the room is conscious. That consciousness was mine, not the room's, no matter how delusional the animal inside it is.

But the sense of self is not inherent in life; it must be created by the brain. Therefore, we are not the self we perceive ourselves to be, but molecules no different from any other molecules in the room. Dissociatives are good at reminding me of this.

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Exactly, the experience of it is very profound and introspective (I guess extrospective, huh?  ), but not everything you are experiencing is literally true. I remember reading something about how the mind has a mechanism for having an awareness of being in the body. I'm pretty dissociatives work, in part, by inhibiting that (and thus, the dissociative part, simple, huh?). Realistically, such an experience can make a person aware that what we think of "the self" is more of a construct than a set in stone identity.

Another feature of dissociatives is that the context surrounding culture is removed. Instead of seeing objects through the learned perspective, they seem very alien. It makes a person realize just how deeply ingrained cultural perspective is into what we construct of "reality". It's like taking a look back into the way people used to live, and laughing at the hairstyles and way people thought/dressed. Makes you aware of how non-existent all of that type of stuff is, and yet people seem to truly and deeply believe in it.

And this leads me into:

Shroomism said:

Experiental awareness of "I" as a group identity, not bound by linear time. In this density sentient consciousness begins to awaken to its heritage. this is the density of wisdom. As one awakens the wisdom within, they very often want to share it with those who are still focused in the lower densities. many from this realm choose to become guides for others. A 5th density being merges with its family of consciousness ("oversoul" or "higher self" if you will) and begins to remember. This is the first density in which a nonphysical orientation is experienced. Note: there is no clear-cut distinction when transiting from 5th to 7th densities. Because these densities are not physically oriented, there is much blending in these transitions.

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