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Shroomism
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Without knowing you very well, I can't help but beleive what you have to say. You're extremely well taught and well spoken.

If you don't mind my asking...how old are you? What do you do? Are you aware of your purpose?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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I'm 19 year old, I'm a high school drop out since 15, I install satellite dishes for living, and yes I am aware of my purpose.



Edited by Shroomism (12/11/01 01:42 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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i also feel very convinced by everything that you have to say. and a formal education does not necessarily have anything to do with intelligence. keep up the intelligent posts, they're refreshing.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: lissa]
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While someone will most likely ridicule me for such a statement, public education in the present is for the most part a waste of brain cells. I don't know how many of you are in, or have recently been in US public schools? It's a day care center, where the teachers care more of pumping their students full of useless information than enhancing and encouraging their creativity. There is little regard for the individuals. Of course there are exceptions.
I was raised on a healthy diet of books, and self educated. I channel information as well as recieve it from shamans and the like. My views have always been met with a lot of resistance, as was told to me before I ever began. "Expect to be laughed at, criticized, labeled as a lunatic, delusional, etc.. but pay no heed to these people for they serve only to slow you down"

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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I think public schools in Canada are just as equally mind-numbing. I'm a 19 year old high school drop out myself with no intentions of returning. I did, however, pick up a magazine today called Transformational Arts CollegeWhere body, mind and spirit unite.

It's the first time any kind of formal education has interested me.

Shroomism, I'm curious...I promise this is the last question, I'll leave you alone... ;) What is your sign? Acendant?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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Oh I don't mind the questions at all..
I have lately been seeing an increase in the number of spiritual colleges which I am looking into going into.

I'm an aquarius

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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"public education in the present is for the most part a waste of brain cells."

absolutey agreed.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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you said you read a lot, what are some good books? I hardly ever read "real" books. I read a lot of comics and just writing on the internet. I'm an aquarius also.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: TeRzMaStA]
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What kind of stuff are you interested in?

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Re: Shroomism [Re: TeRzMaStA]
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i think high school is for the most part crap. however, i'm in college now and i have really learned some interesting stuff that i know i wouldn't have otherwise. i learned about the war on drugs in philosophy class, some amazing astronomy facts, anthropology, literature, etc. (some) people actually seem to want to learn in college, and those people were few and far between in high school (but that was understandable since the classes were usually so pointless).

i notice that CherryBomb and Shroomism have better sentence structures, grammar, and coherency of thought in their posts than most high school graduates i know. go figure.

and... i'm an aquarius too. :)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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At first I thought Captain Jack's newest puppet was poopyfist2000. But now its clear that is new sock puppet is actually Shroomism. How do I know Capn Jack is Shroomism? Didn't you notice the phallyc nature of the crop circle picture collection he posted?

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Re: Shroomism [Re: lissa]
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Alright! Aquarius party!

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Re: Shroomism [Re: djfrog]
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new sock puppet? where do you get this? I have been on the Shroomery for 2+ years.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: lissa]
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Although I agree public school is for the most part pretty poor, more in how people are educated rather than what is being tought... I do however feel strongly that university's and colleges offer a great deal and that I think that is where an individual can truly learn a great many things...

I agree that you can learn a lot through just reading books, but most people don't truly have a passion for reading...

Learning is so important, as long as someone learns on their own if they aren't in school that is cool, but if you don't learn I just truly feel you are missing out on so much....

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Thor]
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I completely agree that universities and colleges offer a good opportunity for people to expand their knowledge based on the avenue they choose. I believe though that most public high schools (at least the ones my friends and I went to) are just a cesspool of ignorance and brainwashing.
Of course there are exceptions

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Thor]
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I too, am an aquarius and not really suprised that you are. In fact, I had already guessed air. I'm looking to get an aquarius glyph tatooed on my ankle, but I just haven't found the perfect one yet.

Some people suffocate in a structured learning facility, others thrive. It all depends on the person.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: lissa]
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Im considering droping out, but I dont want to ruin my chances of getting into a good college... Ive come this far in my shitty ass desensitizing "education", why not go another year or so? Maybe, just maybe, ill go to a college where thinking is encouraged...

Im also an aquarius... Ive been reading some astrology and it says aquarius's sometimes sense when things need to change, and I think that can be applied here.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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Take a look at a bunch of aquarius designs and come up with your own desgin
Or if you are not artistically inclined (though you should be, being an aquarius) I could help you find one

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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College will give me a peice of paper that says I have enough knowledge in a particular discipline to get the job I want. I am FOR education.

Without what I learn specifically for my major (In case your curious, Mechanical/Aerospace Engineering with my MBA (Master's in Business Administration)) I wouldn't be able to do what I love, which is R & D for tech companies or military agencies. I agree that intelligence isn't based on what ya learn from school, but you do need it in this day and age to sometimes get what you want, like a well-paying job in what ya love.

For those of you who want to install satellite dishes or what not for the rest of your life, so be it. But i'd rather get a job where something new pops up everyday. Not a flame, just my view on it.

Education isn't THAT bad folks. You don't have to listen or even really learn wat is taught to you. You just need to pass a class get a grade, and then get a nice lil peice of paper that says at some point you knew enough to qualify for a job. Ok thats my overrated two cents.

Peace


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Adamist]
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Aquarians are all about change, transformation and other things that freak people out. Ruled by the air element, we're thinkers, innovators, inventors. Ruled by Uranus, we're weird, unorthodox and unique.

Follow your heart. It's usually right.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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Heh.. I definetely don't plan on installing satellie dishes my whole life, but the money is good and I enjoy doing it. I meet a lot of different, interesting people every day, and every day something different happens.. and for right now its a great thing for me. On a side note, I'm in a band and we play shows in the Washington DC/Northern Va/Maryland area, Jaxx, 930 club this summer, if any of you are ever in the area. We are working on our first album right now which should be completed by the end of January.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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I'm sorry that you feel that a formal education is a waste of brain cells. As much as i didnt really enjoy highschool, what it taught me is useful. I enjoy being able to have an intelligent conversation with people...and for those of you who say going to school doesnt make you more intelligent, bullshit. Not only does school make you a intelligent person, it makes you appreciate science, math, literature, music, art, history, EVERYTHING more. Thus i am appreciating life more than i used to...and i find that valuable. Im sorry if some of you are too ignorant to take advantage of the opportunities that are out there. All you have to do is keep an open mind and pay attention. Moreover, if i hadnt gone through highschool and now in college, i wouldnt see myself as half the person i am now. By closing your mind during some of the most important years of your development, you are COMPLETELY shutting off so many experiences, opoprtunities, and some incredible knowledge. The more you know, the more in-depth you can get in conversations, arguements, and self-exploration. I honestly feel sorry for those of you who are so closed minded to not have given yourself a chance to enjoy learning...and i wish that everyone could have the opportunity to go to college, get inspired, and take advantage everything that it offers. I for one, am infinately grateful of the education i received. It's so fucking easy to say its worthless and then not try or drop out, but then you're a coward. Why take the easy way out and limit yourself? i wont.

Oh and one more thing shroomism, yes i'm criticizing you..."but pay no heed to these people for they serve only to slow you down" its nice to know that i have an important part in the whole scheme of things, nice ego.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: RedFluX]
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I am relating to my own experiences, as well as the people I associate with. In my high school, the creative thinkers and people who asked questions were singled out and sent to alternative education. (This was rated the #1 public high school in the US for three years) They wanted conformists, not free thinkers. I didn't simply drop out of high school because I 'couldnt hack'.. there was a lot of things which led up to that decision. Never did I once close my mind or not try. Those three years after dropping out were the hardest of my life by far, and I've learned more from them than any other experience I can fathom. I think it's safe to say that different people require different things. Some people need school to develop... while some people are just not meant for the high school environment, I don't think it fair that you bash on me for that.

As far as the pay no heed quote, that is in no way directed towards you, but rather to those who try to hinder. That was advice I was given a long time ago, not something that I came up with.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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You're extremely well taught and well spoken.
Especially when quoting directly from a book and claiming the words as his own!

There is total integrity for all you believers




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Re: Shroomism [Re: lissa]
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I'm a high school drop out since 15..

formal education does not necessarily have anything to do with intelligence...

It does take intelligence to recognize the importance of an education in today's society and the discipline to follow through to complete a basic high school education.

Reading books on the Bermuda Triangle does not count as education.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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Seriously Swami, your constant attacks on me are getting rediculous.

Edited by Shroomism (12/11/01 06:33 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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Exactly. Playing the game will open many more doors than dropping out.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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*walks away in disgust*

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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What do you object to now?

1. That getting a formal education is more intelligent than dropping out? Is that an attack on you or is it a true statement about the complexity of our society ?

2. Did you or did you not let many people praise you for statements that were not your own?

YES OR NO? No doublespeak - just a simple reply.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Shroomism, I've been meaning to ask you for some time, but what do you see as your purpose in preparing the human race for the changes to come? Surely it doesn't stop at posting on the shroomery. I too find you an extremely intelligent and well spoken person, and I can't help but think you could be doing so much to aid humankind in this time. Do you plan on making a website, writing a book, starting a cult, anything? (Just so you know if you ever decide to start something I'll definately be counted in, and so will a lot of other people here I imagine). I'd be interested to hear how you see yourself involved in the coming changes.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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Swami, I have two questions. Is the television your teacher? Are you a robot?


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To bring dire straits to your enviornment
Crush your cooperations with a mild touch
Trash your whole computer system and revert you to papyrus
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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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i also have question for swami..... do you ever have your own original ideas or do you just tell everyone how ther ideas are stupid?
what makes you think shroomism copies what he say from books?

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
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Actually, a lot of shroomism's longer posts have been lifted directly out of books. I know because I have read some of the books. But big deal, quoting directly from the book gets the information across easier..I don't really see why this is an issue.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
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do you ever have your own original ideas
I have many, but when it comes to Spirituality; there is little that can be said. An idea is not wisdom nor experience.

do you just tell everyone how ther ideas are stupid?
Please don't exaggerate. I hardly tell everyone that their ideas are stupid. I participate on several forums and frequently answer people's questions politely and informatively.

what makes you think shroomism copies what he say from books?

It is not a matter of "thinking", but of observation. Most of his "ideas" are plaguerized from books such as "The Twelth Planet" and "Chariots of the Gods".

He once posted the "Rules for Being Human". After two pages of praise from fellow shroomerites, I pointed out that they were taken VERBATIM from Dan Millman.

FIrst he replied that he never claimed that they were his words, though correcting no one when he was praised for his wisdom and insight. Then he claimed that he channeled them. In a previous post he spoke of channleling thoughts and feelings saying exact words never come through. Yet, here he simultaneously channels the EXACT same words.

His lies and hypocracy are tantamount. I will not stand for it - even if I incur the wrath of many shroomerites.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
    #487862 -

Did you or did you not let many people praise you for statements that were not your own?


which statements of his do you talk about? even if he did copy them from book. why does it matter he is not doing for fame he is trying to help people

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Revelation]
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Actually, a lot of shroomism's longer posts have been lifted directly out of books. I know because I have read some of the books. But big deal, quoting directly from the book gets the information across easier..I don't really see why this is an issue.

It is not a big deal if you give credit to the author, but claiiming them as your own (or trying to give the impression that they are original) gives one a serious credibility problem, in addition to being misleading and unethical.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
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why does it matter he is not doing for fame

Fame is an ego-based motivation. Claiming someone else' s creation as your own is theft and most certainly is self -aggrandizement.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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swami rules for being human was written by anonymous author some 2,000 years ago this dan millman did not make it

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Tao_Shin_Li]
    #487882 -

So either way, you agree that shroomism did not write it?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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Jesus...

One...Yes I have copied a couple posts directly from a book. No I did not claim it as my own, no it was not chariots of the gods or the 12th planet. It was the Pleiadian Agenda.
Two..You think I am doing this for an ego boost? Wow Swami you have me all figured out.
Three.. I am not going to waste my energy arguing with you anymore. It's pointless. Bitch and moan all you want, say whatever you want about me, tell everyone on the shroomery I'm a fraud.. I dont give a shit.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Hey, what kind of band do you play in? I'm going to visit my mom in va for christmas and I'd be interested in a cd maybe.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Whoa, people, I had no idea! (I only read like half of the first page, so I'm way behind here...)

I have to agree with you shroomism, and you cherrybomb, about the schooling situation.

I'm 18 and have been dropped for about a year now, but due to my circumstances I've taken up some old high school courses through correspondance to try and finish this shit up. (Um, my circumstances = imminent homelessness and fear of the world.) :wink:

Well, I have to agree that Canadian schools also suck a lot of shit. I don't know if any of you happened to catch some of my comments on some of the "questions" that were hidden in some of my "work"... (it was a course for easy credits, and it was kind of supposed to help you find your niche, as long as your niche is suitable... if ya catch my drift. There were some pretty disturbing and blunt questions in there.)

Well, I found my path to be pretty much fruitless, and I got bored, so now I'm trying to think of something else to do. (I don't feel like working shit jobs all my life, so I'll try and stay in the game long enough to finish some of my novels or something. If nobody's buying though, I'm screwed...)

I'll think of something to do. I'm glad you guys have had better luck in that area. (or so it sounded like in the initial part of the thread.)

I thought you were like 79 Shroomism. :wink:
I don't carry myself nearly as well as most people, I find it a tedious effort to remain consistent when I change so god damn fast. (seriously... it's weird, and not very helpful when you're trying to get something tangible done.)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: RedFluX]
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Oh ya, red flux, I also agree with what you said about school (I read a little further, but I still haven't read the whole thing, or even your whole post...) School is shitty, but it's better than the other option, which is not learning. Unless you have someone who can teach you a bunch of stuff...

I'd rather be me and know everything I do (and everything I have a chance to) than be some shaman dude in the forest and know a bit of stuff about plants and theoretical . (I'm not saying they don't know stuff

If school wasn't so tedious, I'd be all over it. I used to be straight honours, I loved it, but then shit went down, and I lost interest. (the shit being my dad dying.) Ever since then I've been coasting. Then, when the urge to learn hits me again, I realize that the only subject that I am any good in at all is English. (ya, even if you can't tell from my posts, which I think are not too bad...)

So... lifes a bitch.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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I'm sorry, but anyone who drops out of school is going to agree with other dropouts. So agreeing with another dropout isn't much of a strong argument. Get a non-dropout to agree with ya dropouts, then i'll be impressed.

Sometimes book knowledge can open you up to a world in which you otherwise wouldn't be able to see.

For example, Shroomism claimed in an earlier post in a different thread that planet is approaching in our solar system that will pass by and in 2003 cause a pole shift. If that were true we WOULD see it by now, even using a crappy telescope from walmart. Even if he meant galaxy instead of solar system (by typo of course, not mis education, haha)other countries' astronomers would point it out and it would be broadcast on some countries news. Even if it was hushed in the united states, you can't keep the world quiet. So basically, I agree with Swami in most of what he says. A formal education goes a long way, and yes, I am more intelligent than a 19 year old dropout, period.

Peace.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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Congratulations

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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Oh yeah, i think i'll stick with the cultivation forum, this one gets me all riled up. Sorry folks.
Oh yeah, my previous post is my OPINION, it may sound flamy but it isn't cause i don't hold hostility towards another shroomery member, if ya like shrooms ya all good with me, i just dun agree with some views, and its these views i'll protest. Sorry for that long explanation but i think if everyone felt this way there would be a lot less arguing on spirituality threads.

Peace


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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And by the way, you CAN see the 12th planet right now, as I have pointed out several times as well as given the exact coordinates. Get a telescope and I'll give you the coordinates.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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To save some time here they are for the next month

RA 4.45623 Dec 12.13873 on Jan 17, 2002
RA 4.45631 Dec 12.14997 on Jan 8, 2002
RA 4.45657 Dec 12.15692 on Jan 3, 2002
RA 4.45695 Dec 12.13145 on Dec 25, 2001
RA 4.45710 Dec 12.12791 on Dec 16, 2001
RA 4.45702 Dec 12.15983 on Dec 13, 2001

See for yourself


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Shroomism

1) When is this planet passing by - month and day, and is it 2003?
2) Where is "by" - how close to our SS is it coming
3) Why do you think that you know the coordinates and what is going to happen, but *none* of the major media of the world have reported it yet?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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We cant be sure of an exact day, as many variables effect the time, but is expected in Spring/Summer 2003.

It is IN our solar system now, by Jupiter If I'm not mistaken, it will pass close to the Earth

What purpose would the media have of reporting such a thing? It would cause mass hysteria, and in cases such as these, complete denial. The media will report it all right..at the absolute last minute when it will already be quite obvious to everyone since we will be able to see it in the sky.

Edited by Shroomism (12/11/01 09:49 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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i'd like to apologize if my previous posted was too much of a flame or condescending. i havent had many big problems or adversity to overcome, so school has never been a problem for me. I coasted completely through highschool, having faith that i'd love college(and i do so far)...well i remember a lot from highschool and am glad i coasted through it because i finished, graduation day was one of the best days of my life, and i look forward to graduating from college, working through difficult experiences and perseverence makes us stronger. I agree with swami on almost every post he has because thats the way my mind works, but i do respect shroomism equally...from his posts he seems like a very warm person who has a lot to say, he also seems completely at peace with himself, which i envy.

I just hope all of you take advantage of every door that's open and dont close any unless you REALLY have to.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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I didn't mean to get this re-started... as I said I didn't read the whole thread before I posted... :wink: ah well.

I don't know man, I think I agree with you... did you read my second post?

Still, the school systems are incredibly fucked up... (but they serve the system that created them, so what do you expect? I'm being serious here, not bitchy...)

And, I'm technically an ex-drop out, (I went back) so does that count? Are you impressed now?

This is so... one dimensional. I hate when people can only see one dimension. (I've said that a few times today, but I've meant every one.) :wink:

I wouldn't reccomend dropping out to anyone, but some people can pull it off. I don't know how much they're missing from their lives, but whatever. I'm not too worried about high school, that sucks quite a bit. I (sometimes) want to get to University, where the real knowledge is hidden... I need to finish my high school though so that I can get in there, and so it's not really a waste of time...

I wish I didn't think high school was a waste of time in grade 10. I was stoned everyday, me and my friends had more fun than I'm likely to ever have again, but now I'm very fucked.

Still, try thinking in more depth... (I know you're book learned, but you seem to suck at this.) :wink:


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Re: Shroomism [Re: RedFluX]
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crap, I can't stay on top of anything.
I was writing my last post before I saw all the lovin...


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Hey Shroomism thank you for the coordinates, I just made a post asking for them then I seen this and deleted it, looking forward to checking it out.
Thanks.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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>>>>>>>What purpose would the media have of reporting such a thing? It would cause mass hysteria, and in cases such as these, complete denial. The media will report it all right..at the absolute last minute when it will already be quite obvious to everyone since we will be able to see it in the sky.


So Shroomism, let me keep up with you - is it your opinion that the media know about this and they have quite deliberately chosen not to report it because it would cause a panic?

Does NASA know about this? Any of the major observatories of the world tracking this? Have they *all* chosen to keep quiet?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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So Shroomism, let me keep up with you - is it your opinion that the media know about this and they have quite deliberately chosen not to report it because it would cause a panic?

The media reports what their government tells them to report.

Does NASA know about this? Any of the major observatories of the world tracking this? Have they *all* chosen to keep quiet?

NASA has known about it for some time now, so have the major observatories. They were told to shut up, they shut up.

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And can you cite me some kind of support for the statement that "they were told to shut up, so they shut up"?

The media reports what their government tells them to report....hmmm.....freedom of the press doesn't exist eh? And nobody in the entire mainstream media has decided that, you know what, this story is too big and too important to keep clammed up, so I am going to tell what I know, anonymously if I have to? None of them have made that decision? Our government, which can't come close to balancing a checkbook and which can't even enforce its own laws most of the time, is so hyper-efficient and on the ball on this one that they are well aware of it and they have locked every door, dotted every I, crossed every T to make sure nobody in the media tells the public?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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And a related question, why don't YOU say something - break the story yourself? I am not being sarcastic here - you claim to be absolutely certain this is going to happen, you have the coordinates in hand and can back up your claim to anyone willing to look through a telescope, you believe this is going to at the very least change life on the entire planet as we know it, yet you are not breaking the story anywhere yourself.

Why not? We know it's not fear of being ridiculed, embarrassed, attacked etc because as you so poetically told us earlier, you'd been prepared long in advance for that and it doesn't bother you. So *that's* not the reason.

What IS the reason Shroomism, that you are the owner of knowledge that you are CERTAIN is accurate and you are CERTAIN will endanger life on earth as we know it, and yet you haven't broken the story yourself?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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Freedom of the press exists somewhat, although it is controlled, so there really isnt much freedom. No one in the mainstream media has come out with such a thing because:
1. They don't know about it
2. They wont risk their $150,000 a year job
3. They have been threatened

I have nothing to lose, so I'm here telling you about it.

Our government, which can't come close to balancing a checkbook and which can't even enforce its own laws most of the time, is so hyper-efficient and on the ball on this one that they are well aware of it and they have locked every door, dotted every I, crossed every T to make sure nobody in the media tells the public?


You got it!

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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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What IS the reason Shroomism, that you are the owner of knowledge that you are CERTAIN is accurate and you are CERTAIN will endanger life on earth as we know it, and yet you haven't broken the story yourself?

I've broken this story here have I not? See what kind of reactions are recieved? Imagine this on a larger scale. It's a gradual process.
I'm not the sole proprietor of this information.

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Ok, then, to repeat the unanswered questions -

What support do you have to say "they have been threatened"?

Who has been threatened? What have they been threatened WITH? Who exactly has been threatening them (hopefully more revealing than "the government")? Give at least one source for this, if you'd be so kind.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: RedFluX]
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Backing up a little bit...
RedFlux, I find it ironic that you accuse the 'dropouts' of being close minded towards formal education while it seems to me that you are being just as closed minded about self discovery and/or alternative education.

I'm not trying to say that one is better then the other, because that just isn't true. I think you may misunderstand 'the path'. I'll speak for myself, because that's the only person I can speak for, but I learned more about myself, about life, about the world and I learned more life-lessons then I ever could have learned if I had been attending high school. These are the events that helped shape me. That taught me, because I was paying attention. Because it was the path I chose for myself.

If I had been in school, then I would still have been learning, but I would just be learning differently. I would be a different person. I probably wouldn't even be having this discussion here today.

Anyways, all I'm trying to say is that one is no better or more worthy then the other. They are two completely different ways. No one should be judged or scorned for thier choices, for they are just lessons to help our souls grow.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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Who has been threatened? Anyone in a position of power who has this information. People don't listen to nobodys like myself, so I'm not a threat.
What have they been threatened with? Death, death of their families, etc.
Who has been doing the threatening? The Illuminati
Hmm a source? I dont think that would accomplish anything, since my sources are not "credible" according to the popular physicists of this board.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Wait, let's get at least a couple things straight here:

1) You have "broken the story here" - my friend, this is not even CLOSE to "the mainstream" - this is a side-philosophy board on a website dedicated to the cultivation and ingestion of illegal psychoactive mushrooms. A few hundred people AT VERY MOST read this board. This isn't what I'd call breaking the story. In case I didn't clarify earlier, let me do so now - breaking the story to the mainstream is what I am talking about.

2) The reaction here? You are concerned about the reaction here?!?! Shroomism, in all these posts, there are only 3 people with the occasional 4th that is disputing, or at least asking you for some kind of support for, things you say - while on the other hand you are a moderator here and the other moderator and many others on the same board have said in no unclear terms that "I am drawn to believe things that you say" and more than one has suggested you form a cult!! I would call that better than winning a few and losing a few.

3) Even if you WERE concerned about the reaction - who cares? Let's review, carefully now, stay with me:

a - you are in possession of knowledge whose accuracy you are certain of
b - you are in possession of knowledge that you know will endanger all human life as we know it
c - you are in possession of knowledge of something that will happen just around the corner
d - you are in possession of knowledge that you can PROVE beyond any doubt, to anyone who will look through a telescope, because you have these coordinates.
e - you are not afraid of being ridiculed, laughed at, or otherwise derided, as you have carefully explained in a previous post. Quite the opposite Shroomism, you have been "taught' that you are to "expect" it.

Now, in light of ALL of that - you have proof, you have knowledge that you are certain will endanger us all, and you aren't afraid to be ridiculed - you choose to break this information on no larger a scale than a philosophy board on a site dedicated to those who grow and/or ingest magic mushrooms?!

One has to wonder which of the above statements characterizing your willingness to accept incredulity and your faith in this subject matter, is false.







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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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>>>>>>>>Hmm a source? I dont think that would accomplish anything, since my sources are not "credible" according to the popular physicists of this board.

Oh come now Shroomism - you don't mind a little disbelief, you've said so yourself. You realize that to make statements of *fact* (like government has been threatening peoples' lives, their families' lives, etc), and very serious allegations of fact at that, as opposed to statements of "opinion" (I think trees are more interesting to be with than flowers) without even bothering to quote a single source, must leave anyone with even a slightly critical eye (you know, critical, meaning you don't believe anything you read on a website BB that sounds truly unbelievable without some kind of support) feeling that something is rotten in Denmark.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Freaky.. I have that sign. Yet it's not my actual birth sign, but I have it.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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I never said nor implied that this message board is the only place I relay this information. I go to annual meetings on this subject, am working on a webpage, and a book. I also talk with many people about this in 'real life'. I'm not about to walk into Fox studios and tell them about this, I would be laughed out of the office.
This message board is just practice for me

Edited by Shroomism (12/11/01 10:48 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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I dont know if you are familiar with Project Star Wars? I don't know all the details, but it is a government funded project involving a weapon capable of destroying a comet or meteor that comes too close to Earth. They plan to have it completed by 2003. This of course, will not happen.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Going to annual meetings is great but

a) you've only got one of them left if the sh*t is hitting the fan in Spring/Summer 2003 and

b) You are preaching to the choir in those meetings. I happen to play chess, and I can go to a chess club every weekend, but that isn't increasing the popularity of chess in this country. I'm preaching to the choir.

I still would imagine that with some hustle and incentive (the latter of which you certainly must have, given you know the world is going to essentially end as we know it in about 16 months), and the proof that you say is irrefutable, you HAVE to be able to find a few amateur stargazers who can corroborate it and start some kind of a commotion. People generally want to help people, and assuming for a moment this thing was legit, with some hustle and using the very powerful tool of the internet you should be able to find a number of people who DON'T ALREADY FEEL THIS WAY, i.e. are disbelievers right now, show them the proof, and start something happening.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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>>>>>>This message board is just practice for me

Good, practice quoting reliable sources, which you will DEFINITELY need for your book, and give me some!!



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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At this point I don't care whether someone believes me or not. I'm only stating what I know to be true.
Its in the mass consciousness... Just think of all the movies in the past three years dealing with Mass death/comets/aliens etc...this is to prepare people for such an event

Independance Day
Armageddon
Mission to Mars
The Final Storm

I could probably name about 20 more, but I'm thinking too fast right now.
Have fun

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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If you don't care whether someone believes you or not, then you shouldn't have any problems quoting some sources to me - takes no time out of your life, as I assume you already have a number of them for the book - and then if I don't agree, you don't care. There is the possibility I might agree, and help the cause, which if I put myself into your shoes, I would be trying very hard to promote if I felt as you do.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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I might be a little bit behind again, but this caught me as especially odd:

>And can you cite me some kind of support for the statement that "they were told to shut up, so they shut up"?

Umm, open your eyes man, they're talking about this shit right now on the news... My grandma is talking about it. Everybody is talking about it. (At least they were a week or two ago, before it got boring.)

The government does tell them what to air, what to report. Man, where've you been! They've been debating it on friggin CNN for gods sake!


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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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here try this on for size

http://www.zetatalk.com

http://www.zetatalk.com/thub.htm

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Independence Day was released 5.5 years ago....

And, movies dealing with "mass death/comets/aliens" aren't exclusive to the last 3 years (or even 5.5), I hate to tell you - this is easily the most popular subject matter in sci-fi, which is one of the biggest genres since film was invented. So, yes, "mass death/comets/aliens" are in the mass consciousness, but they have been for a very, very long time and I would submit no more recently than previously. I'll go out on a limb and say the way the dinosaurs met their demise sparked the collective human imagination and started making us imagine, and believe, all kinds of interesting things.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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>>>>>>>Umm, open your eyes man, they're talking about this shit right now on the news...

So your viewpoint directly contradicts Shroomism's, then, as things that the government wouldn't allow the media to report, WOULDN'T BE BEING TALKED ABOUT ON THE NEWS. I am sure Shroomism thanks you for that support of his/her position.

>>>>>>The government does tell them what to air, what to report. Man, where've you been! They've been debating it on friggin CNN for gods sake!

Hehehe, I'll just let this quote speak for itself - "the government does tell them what to air, they are debating it on CNN". That's classic.





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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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Alright, laugh if you want, but you've just missed the point by a mile.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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Oh, and I'm not talking about some grand scheme here, I'm talking about the situation in which the US gov. doesn't want the media to air the Bin Laden tapes... And yes, they are talking about it on the news, they're talking about the censorship, and if it's perhaps necessary during these times...

If you live on another continent, I can understand your ignorance of this very simple fact. If you live here on North America, you obviously have isolated yourself from people and media... in which case I don't think you should be talking about what the media does.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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Please clarify, then.

We were discussing whether the government tells the media what it can and cannot air. I was asking for some support for that statement, which (s)he made as a factual statement.

Then you said, where have you been, of course the government tells the media what to air, they have been discussing this on CNN.

Doesn't that sound a little strange? The only conclusion permissible is that the government allows CNN to debate on-air whether the government tells the media what to air - is that your belief?



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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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And one more point about this:

If they are talking about the fact that the government is censoring them, the government has obviously chose not to censor those conversations. See? It's not rocket science. The gov wouldn't just censor everything, they're not that stupid.

Think of the shit that would hit the fan if the gov told them that they were not allowed to talk about the fact that they're not allowed to talk about something... There would be serious issues with that, and people would be pretty pissed when they found out.

There ya go, common sense is lost on some people...


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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In reply to:

It's a day care center, where the teachers care more of pumping their students full of useless information than enhancing and encouraging their creativity. There is little regard for the individuals. Of course there are exceptions.

i can totally feel what you're sayin right here... i'm in a 4-yr institution as we speak and i feel like i am basically just here to kill another 4 years until i get a job. anyways, i'm a little tipsy right now and am gonna jet out - i'll get back to ya'll later ;)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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>>>>>>>Oh, and I'm not talking about some grand scheme here, I'm talking about the situation in which the US gov. doesn't want the media to air the Bin Laden tapes... And yes, they are talking about it on the news, they're talking about the censorship, and if it's perhaps necessary during these times...


Ok, now you are bringing a little more meat to the table.

WITH REGARD SPECIFICALLY TO THE BIN LADEN TAPES - the US government owns those tapes. They are in their possession. The government is double-checking to be certain that releasing them will not compromise national security, and once that is done, they will release them to the media (NOTE - THE MEDIA DOESN'T OWN THE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW AND COULD NOT AIR IT IF THEY WANTED TO) and they will be aired.

With RE to the 2003 debacle - Shroomism's position is that the media already does know about it, NASA knows about it and "has for quite some time now" as have "the major observatories" per Shroomism, and they would report it BUT FOR THE FACT THAT the government has firmly stopped every last leak and prevented the media, and everyone in NASA who knows anything and everyone in the major observatories that knows anything by a firm mandate and under the table (as indicated by the death threats - hence this is not a legal, court-order type of affair) from reporting any of this.

The two are very highly different.

Now, since we were talking SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE 12TH PLANET CAUSING A POLE SHIFT and hadn't said word one about bin Laden, your statements about the government telling the media what to put on TV and then saying they were debating it on CNN were laughable. They wouldn't allow the media to debate whether they muzzle the media. The bin Laden thing is entirely different from the 12th planet.



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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/12/gen.war.against.terror/index.html

there ya go, click on that. I didn't feel llike digging up something better, there was a link to that right on the front page of CNN.com and it talks about some of this stuff... (there is better stuff related directly to the censorship.)

When I was there a funny ad was up. There was a dude and it said "Does he have to paint you a picture?" I cracked up on that...


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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>>>>>>Think of the shit that would hit the fan if the gov told them that they were not allowed to talk about the fact that they're not allowed to talk about something... There would be serious issues with that, and people would be pretty pissed when they found out.


Unlike, for example, when the media, NASA, and the "major observatories" all know that life as we know it is ending in 16 months give or take, and the government has strictly forbidden anyone from saying word one (and so successfully, I might add, that there haven't been leaks!!)



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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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Well, if you know that the gov is with holding info like this, why do you doubt that it would hold back info like what shroomisms talking about?

three dimensional thinking man... it'll get you places


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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I just don't buy that if any astronomer can see this planet that nobody would have pushed the panic button...

Every country in this world has their own media, reporters, it can't all be controlled...

This kind of thing couldn't be kept quiet......

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Re: Shroomism [Re: cantara]
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J-E-S-U-S, cantara!

You are resorting to logic and rational arguments - what new lows will you stoop to next?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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Read this:
Fact is I did some calculations. This planet that shroomism insists is in our solar system right now (and supposedly also has the mass of three times this earth) would be traveling at 131 km/sec to reach earths orbit in 1.5 years if it was as far away as pluto (plus two earth distances if it happened to be on the other side of the sun than earth) (i did the math but it takes up to much space). Now to compare that.

Earth moves at 29.78 km/sec and Uranus (which consequently is 4 times the mass of this supposed planet X) moves at an average rate of 6.83 km/sec.

Now as i just said, Planet X would have to move 131 km/sec... nearly 5 times the speed of earth or 19 times faster than Uranus.

Also I did some basic physics and can prove that there is no such planet in this solar system. If this planet X was in our solar system and was three times the mass of earth as shroomism has stated a few times in another thread then there would be a gravitanional attraction between us and planet X. As a matter of fact, this is true for all planets, we all exert a gravitational attrative force on one another, however our solar system is in equilibrium which keeps the planets in there orbits.

Now suppose this Planet X comes waltzing into our universe with its mass being 3 times that of earth and it is 41.53 astronomical units away (farther than pluto is from earth by 2 AUs)(1 AU is the distance from earth to the sun). The attractive gravitational force exerted between earth and this planet would be 1.86 * 10^14 newtons.(Use Newtons law of Universal Gravitation).

That force is incredibly huge even on a planetary scale. This would mean earth would slowly be pulled off its orbit and establish a completly new orbit(even if the planet passed only as close as pluto is to us), along with every other planet in this solar system. None of which has happened. Sorry, this lil bit of FACTUAL science debunks ya theory, you can't prove physics wrong.


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Edited by Trail_Blazer (12/12/01 01:12 AM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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First cantara, now you using physics - hey that's no fair!


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Sorry Shroomism, I enjoy your posts, but I do have to pick on your point re: mass consciousness. Hollywood films are pitched, selected and filmed based on consumer demographics and forecasted pop culture. ie, Independence Day, Armageddon, Mission to Mars came in or around production at the same time when pop culture deemed B movies hip again. Antz and A Bug's Life went into production shortly thereafter, is that supposed to be a tongue in cheek reference to post-apocalyptic society? I am quite certain that senior NASA officials are not whispering into Jerry Bruckheimer's ear on delivering the next big pseudo-propaganda feel-good hit of the year. Sorry, but you made a terrible analogy in that regard.


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Shroomism made an innacurate statement regarding the mass of the 12th planet. The planet has a diameter 4 times that of Earth's, and its mass it 23 times as great. As the giant comet approaches, the Earth becomes what might be described as confused. There are conflicting pulls, gravitational as well as magnetic. The Earth is normally magnetically aligned, along with the other planets in the Solar System, according to an axis that exists in your part of the galaxy. This axis reflects the sum of a number of solar systems and other matter not understood yet by your scientists, but is normal and natural for your part of the galaxy. Now comes the giant comet, from a distance, swinging through your Solar System, and picking up speed as it approaches. It outweighs the Earth by some 23 times, but by size is not 23 times as large as its weight is due to its makeup, having less silicon than the Earth, for instance. Should one line these planets up side by side, the Earth would look to the 12th Planet as the Moon does to the Earth. Where the gravitational pull on the surface of the 12th Planet is better than half again as much as on the surface of the Earth, accounting for the stocky appearance of the large hominoids who live there, in the tug of war re garding magnetic alignment, the 12th Planet's mass gives it a 4-to-1 advantage. There is no contest.

At first, your planet Earth reacts by additional swirling about in matter deep within its core. In the final days, as the giant comet begins passing between the Earth and its Sun, total interference occurs. The Earth slows in its rotation, and actually stops. The Earth's rotation is due to the balanced gravitational pull of the neighborhood, and the 12th Planet is a very big bully. The part of the Earth facing this bully is loath to leave, essentially, and this causes the rotation to gradually stop. This is recorded in written history and spoken folklore, worldwide, as a long day or night. The period of time, due to the lack of mechanical clocks, was not measurable, but the humans who experienced this described this as anywhere from a few hours to several days. The latter is more correct. Rotation also stops because the magnetic influence of the giant comet, which is aligned according to the larger Universe where it spends most of its cycle, has essentially gripped the Earth.

The dynamics in place as the 12th Planet approaches during the last few days before the coming pole shift are such that rotation stops with a predictable part of the Earth facing the approaching 12th Planet - the mid-Atlantic Ocean off the eastern seaboard of the United States. This part of the globe is centered between land masses that are fairly neutral in magnification, but lines up over former lava flows from the renting apart of the continents, the mid-Atlantic rift. The Pacific trench does not carry the same appeal, as it lies deeper under the water and its characteristics differ in composition from the newer magma that has arisen during continental drift. Magma bubbling up in the Pacific is more diffuse than the magma bubbling up in the Atlantic, centered in the rift. Thus, the Atlantic lava beds are gripped, facing the Sun, facing the approaching 12th Planet coming up from the South along the rift, and causing both Europe, the Americas, and Africa to be on the long day side of the Earth.

The Earth has not yet joined the alignment of the giant comet, but what was occurring before, the steady, slow roll, has by now stopped. To make the switch, and magnetically align with the giant comet, is much more of an adjustment than simply slowing and stopping rotation. Thus this slowing of rotation occurs with little trauma.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Silent_One]
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This is the BIGGEST amount of bullshit I have ever read, every single strand of it.

If the planet was 23 times the mass of earth the force would be even more ridiculous because newton's law of gravitation (see my previous post in this thread) only accounts for the mass of both the earth and this mystery planet, there distance, and a constant factor. If the planet was 23 times the mass of earth we would be pulled out of our solar system, thats a physics fact.

That reply was ridiculously weak because it would violate SOOOOOOO many rules of physics and your explanations are all off base.

Sorry try again.

Oh yeah, i thought i might throw this in, your talking to a fourth year Mechanical/Aerospace Major here. I've seen more physics then i'll ever need in my life.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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For a tiny object, such as a climber falling from a cliff, there is not the distance from the Earth to create a situation of equality in the updraft and downdraft of gravity particles. Satellites are placed at a distance by your astrophysicists in order to have them behave in accordance with Newton and sustain their distance, supposedly based on velocity? What Newton has included in his math, without knowing, is the balance of updraft and downdraft of gravity particles. In point of fact, if an object was not at the distance to create this balance, it either plummets to the gravitational giant or is subject to attraction by another passing or nearby gravity giant. Thus, those orbiting objects you examine are there to be examined because of the updraft and downdraft balance. Thus Newton and his followers negated the influence of gravity particles in his orbit equations, as all they saw seemed to fit!
Humans think that gravity is a simple, singular force, but gravity has many aspects and varies depending on the composition of the objects in question and their distance from each other.


Gravity differs between objects of different compositions. Like compositions attract each other more, due to the compatibility of their makeup. They have no extraneous dramas to resolve. Metals figure heavily in this, no pun intended, as a magnetic component enters into the equation. Where there is flexibility for the objects to turn, one or both will maneuver such that they are magnetically aligned. This takes time, however slight, and thus an iron ball may appear to fall more slowly in a vacuum than an object of comparable weight that has but a slight magnetic retention. Organic compounds also react to gravity in a different manner than in-organic compounds, and this is due to the complex bonding between the atoms. Bonding involves tying up the electrons, which are used as glue in that they are shared by more than one atom. Thus, organic material in general will not experience the interference that matter with free electrons does during a gravity attraction. Inorganic material in essence takes time out to shed or take on electrons, slowing its movement.


In general, the heavier an object, the greater the gravity force generated within it for another object. The gravity force is more than compounded, equivocally, but this fact is lost by those viewing the drama because most of the drama takes place within the object itself. Why would this not be the case? Why would matter only reach out to matter not contiguous, with its attraction, and not matter near at hand? Some call this internal gravity compression, but this is merely gravity working to pull each atom toward the greater bulk, which in the case of an orb, like a Sun or planet, is generally toward the center. As the force of gravity reaches in all directions, the larger or heavier object is emitting more of a come-on than a smaller or lighter object. When several objects are involved in giving each other the come-on, the contention causes all of the bodies to dither, but an equilibrium is established in accordance with the mass and composition of the objects and their distance from each other. Humans find their understanding of gravity to be incomplete because they are not taking into consideration the repulsion force that large bodies, such as planets, generate toward each other.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Silent_One]
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Silent one please stop posting, you are only posting stuff I am sure you read in a spiritual "end of the world" book somewhere.
Nowhere in physics does any law or equation support a SINGLE thing you have said, and I mean a SINGLE thing. Go take a few courses in physics or the like and come back here and read ya post again. You'll laugh your ass off.

Everything you posted has NO factual text to back it up, however mine has REAl physic laws.

By the way gravity particles are called gravitons and there is very little known about them except that they exist.

Peace out cub scout.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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Gravity is particles, moving, just as magnetic fields are, and there is a polarization in gravity, which we have explained as the repulsion force. Before mankind discovered that magnetism was polarized, they discovered it as an attractive force. Metallic items stuck to the sides of magnetized rock - how curious. After centuries of digging about in this phenomena, humans have satisfied their curiosity to the extent that they understand that magnetism is a force field, has a flow out from one pole and in at the other pole, that the Sun and some other planets are magnetized and line up with each other. They still don't understand the cause of this force field, or its nature. Magnetism is caused by a particle, in motion, as we have explained. What other explanation is there for a force that reaches out and affects another? Magic?

The bi-polar aspect of magnetism is only apparent when what occurs in nature can be countered in the laboratory. You force magnetized objects to do what they do not want to do - touch north pole to north pole or vice versa. Then you can observe the bi-polar nature. In gravity, you are seeing but one aspect in the positioning of the planets, and dealing with a phenomena that does not lend itself to easy experimentation. However, experimentation is possible, in space and away from the surface of the planet. The repulsion force fills the gap in some of your other theories where you have no explanation for discrepancies.

In magnetism, the simple flow of particles creates more than a force for alignment, it creates an attraction. The gap is filled. Like water in a stream, where flotsam eventually lines up in the center, evenly spaced, just so magnetized objects do not keep their distance when free to move. They approach each other, and attach like a string of pearls. Likewise the phenomena of gravity, where the desire to fill the gap causes objects to approach one another. It is only where this gap is overfilled, by the presence of two large objects coming near, that the repulsion force is expressed. There is no room for the flow of gravity particles, so the objects stay apart!

The flow of gravity particles is not unlike the magnetism model, but with several significant differences. In magnetism, particle flow is related to the shape of atoms, such as iron, which allow a flow to begin in the first place, and is related to the types of bonds these atoms commonly lock themselves in. Magnetic particles surge out of a break in the rhythm of subatomic particles such as electrons circling the nucleus, a surge which does not occur in other atoms that have a more even balance in their halo of orbiting electrons. Magnetism thus produces a field, with a flow, and this flow is discernible to the degree that one could almost imagine a river, watching magnetized particles on the river position themselves according to the flow.

Gravity particles produce a flow but produce no discernible flow, and have no irregularities in the pattern. Does your Earth not pull evenly from all parts of its surface? And if there is a flow, then at what point does the flow reverse, such that surface particles are pushed away? In fact there is a reversal, but the outward streams are propelled, with a force and at a speed so much greater than the downward drafts that this occurs over less of a surface area and without engaging the mass of the object. A laser of gravity particles, versus a floodlight upon the return. So why would the weight of returning particles be the only ones mankind is aware of, and why would they not feel the violent lift of the updrafts? The updrafts blast through, tearing a hole as it were, where the returning particles do not tear what they press upon, and so have the greater effect.

Gravity particles, in their motion, do not affect what they move against or through, the effect being in essence mechanical. The upward drafts push aside other matter, letting it return upon completion of the updraft, leaving no trace of the temporary tear. The downward push of gravity particles returning to the large mass they are attracted to, the core of the Earth for instance, spread out upon objects they encounter, taking some time to drift through these object and with a constant downward press during the motion of this drift. Thus, returning particles, due to the time they spend upon and within the surface objects, and due to their continual direction of motion, are a mechanical force that is stronger, overall, than the updraft of particles that quickly pass through the surface objects, essentially pushing them aside rather than engaging them.

The nature of this gravity flow is what determines the repulsion force we speak of. It is a complement of gravity only when large bodies are close to each other. The updrafts, when encountering a large body also exuding updrafts of gravity particles, hold the bodies apart. This occurs at what humans would call a distance from each other, as small objects such as satellites do not exude updrafts and if far enough from the surface of a gravitational giant such as a planet, find a down-draft and updraft of gravity particles in balance, what humans might term in their ignorance a zero gravity field, weightlessness. At this point the updrafts are still tearing through, but at a slower rate, so that a mechanical push upward is involved, and the down-drafts are more thinly dispersed over the surface as they work their way through the density of these objects in space. Large bodies, exuding their own updrafts of gravity particles, create a situation where their updrafts and the updrafts from another sun or planet bump against each other, creating a buffer and preventing the gravity masses from touching or even approaching each other except at great distances.

Within black holes, the down-draft still exceeds the updraft, and thus the same rules apply.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Shroomism: I am surprised that you havn't tried to make this information public, with the undeniable "proof" you have about this meteor/planet supposedly destroying life. You didn't answer cantara's question about why you havn't bothered to, when it could help save innocent lives? Sure, you may be laughed at, but if you do have proof, then there is no arguing with facts. Why not tell every form of media you can about it, major/underground newspapers/radio/tvstations. But wait, they are all involved in a big conspiracy arn't they. You and your fellow zetatalk.com friends just seem to sit back in your web of fiction, and when it comes time to actually do something that doesn't rely on this false paradigm, you claim "conspiracy" "cover-up" etc etc.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: wintertime]
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Hmm, I don't want to get too involved here (I really don't care about the planet either way), but Shroomism has already said that he's made this info public... you're reading about it, aren't you? :wink:
And what you're seeing is probably a very small part of "Shroomism's" life... Just a thought for you to consider. (Again, I don't really care, but you assume too much.)
Ahh, whatever. Shroomism, you're one craZy bastard. :smile:


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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you're right.. the whole thing is a waste of time.. whatever will happen, will happen, and no matter how much we argue about it, nothing will change it.

p.s if this impending doom is true, i am wondering why he and people who believe in similar things bother leading a normal life at all, when in 2 years things will totally change.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: wintertime]
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Actually dude, a lot of us don't bother leading a regular life, but we have to eat sometimes... :wink:

Oh, but I wouldn't really do it cause the world is gonna end... We all know where those people end up. (standing on the corner with signs saying the end is near and similar things...)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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i'm far from close mindedness about self discovery. I wouldnt even be looking at myself and disecting my ego and who i am, what i stand for if i hadnt been educated. A philosophy class i'm taken completely blew my mind, and i guarantee you cant get NEARLY the same results for self-exploration or ANYTHING from "alternative" methods you speak of...i know a great deal about alternative schooling, my mom is an educational consultant and she's talked to me many hours about her work. The one reoccuring theme...dont close doors, keep them open even if you chose to take a different door, you never know when you might find yourself back in the same room and need to change your direction.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: RedFluX]
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ya, this is all true. I'm trying right now to re-open the doors I shut earlier... I'm trying to get into university and get into some of that philosphy stuff too. :wink:

You can learn a lot on your own, but you can learn so much more from the right people.

I don't mean to belittle anyone who dropped out, but more to urge someone who's reading this and thinking it's cool to drop out, not to drop out. (right?)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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I believe in alot of what Shroomism says, because it aligns perfectly with what I have been going through the past few months. I thought I was insane, but looky here there's others that are just as nuts! Are we nuts or are we the future? I firmly believe I'm part of a group of people that have been put here to help before and rebuild after the destruction... And i KNOW there will be destruction. Not sure when, not sure how, but I've had powerful experiences and dreams about it, and I have either gone off the deep end or I'm on to something. Yes Swami you can post all you want about mental disorders and dillusions, none of this effects me...

Shit man! The serpent is trying to use me for its Service to Self purposes, where oh where has the Service to Others gone?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Adamist]
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And i KNOW there will be destruction. Not sure when, not sure how, but I've had powerful experiences and dreams about it

As there always has been and will be man-made and natural destruction and you are not sure when and how, then how can you possibly recognize a precognitive event that is not precognitive?

"Something bad will happen in the future" is vague and meaningless.

You, yourself, questioned your sanity twice in your own post, so I will let that lie.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Swami]
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| )) ~The End~

thats all i gotta say about that.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Silent_One]
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I you want to continue this discussion about the nature of gravity, please open another thread and I MIGHT clear out couple of things for you.
Unlike you, I could provide facts and reputable recources and simple tests for you to play in order to understand how ridiculous your claims are.

It's really sad if someone actually reads all your crap and believes it. Fortunately there are few Shroomers here who have supposedly passed the highschool and possibly studied further. Most of the Silent Ones' claims are easily disproved by using the very basic highschool physics and experiments. Shroomism atleast had (collected) some (very few though) rational ideas (sometimes).

I also smell copy/paste here. For fucks sake, the least you can do is to list your sources!

Maybe, through this kind of behaviour you're seeking approval or you're trying to increase your self confidence.
I mean, Shroomism et al, are you trying to seek aproval through masquerading your beliefs in scientific jargon you barely understand yourselve? Thinking that others wont see what you're really after when you confuse them? Obviously, you're (Shroomism for example) an intelligent person so why not try to understand the basics first in order to have a good platform for a scientific debate you so much seem to yearn (this of course without knowing your real motives)


Trail_Blazer, you might upload your calculations somewhere someday where I (and the rest of us) could read them. I'm happy to see people [(colleaques that is, B.Eng(Hons) here, going M.Sc)] like you excists here and try to keep atleast somekind of balance.
Thinking about all that amount of booze and drugs I've taken, I still haven't lost my science based logical and rational way of thinking, except when it's time to speculate and NOT wasting my time disproofing these crop-o-logists and end-of-the-world-profet-wannabees.


Remember, the Devil lurks in the details (however, I cannot proof this:)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Adamist]
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"Are we nuts or are we the future? I firmly believe I'm part of a group of people that have been put here to help before and rebuild after the destruction..."

Jesh, that is soo arrogant and selfish. Go ahead, go a step further and speed-up the process by killing some of us who are not in your "group". Have we learned nothing about history? You sound like Hitler or Stalin or Bin Laden or Mao Tse or etc. "are we the future"-in my ass!

Although, I used to have pink shades as a teen too....


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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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hmm, freak other people out, thinker, innovator, inventor, weird, unorthodox, unique: That describes me, and I am scorpio... All scorpios I know are at least weird and unique. But I don't know anything about astrology really, any good books to recommend?

Sorry for the offttopicness... I wonder shroomism, have you read any David Icke? I've only read 1/2 book, but it seems a lot of what you say about aliens is the same as he does talk about. I myself get suspicious when there are this many details involved, but I am open-minded enough (or so I like to think) to entertain the possibility of it all. I can't afford to bet all my dough on one horse in this cosmic race towards enlightenment you know :smile:

those were my let's make it 1.75 cents (devalued by inflation)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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I love you all...really...I do

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Timeleech]
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.. I have never read Icke, or Sitchin, though I find their work interesting and would like to read some.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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Maybe, through this kind of behaviour you're seeking approval or you're trying to increase your self confidence.
I mean, Shroomism et al, are you trying to seek aproval through masquerading your beliefs in scientific jargon you barely understand yourselve? Thinking that others wont see what you're really after when you confuse them? Obviously, you're (Shroomism for example) an intelligent person so why not try to understand the basics first in order to have a good platform for a scientific debate you so much seem to yearn (this of course without knowing your real motives)



If I was seeking approval why would I disagree with you and others with your scientific 'facts' to prove me wrong? If you bother to read some of my posts, approval is one thing I get the least of. Anyways, I don't want the attention. Leave me alone. Pay attention to Shroomism's words, not Shroomism. I did not come here for a scientific debate, as if that isnt obvious... my motive is to spread a message of the changes that are happening and will continue to increase in intensity on the Earth over the next few years. I do not wish to scientifically analyze my statements, as that is like trying to run DNA tests on God... it doesn't work. There is absolutely no masquerading involved here, my intention is to find others who share my views, and perhaps open a few minds in the process. However with each passing argument, I can see this becoming less and less a viable possibility (opening some minds)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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So, your saying you aren't the future? I already knew that...

Some people lack the ability to believe in something even if it sat on their face... they come up with all sorts of "scientific" explanations to explain what cannot ever be explained to them.

You weren't meant to believe...


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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If I was seeking approval why would I disagree with you and others with your scientific 'facts' to prove me wrong? If you bother to read some of my posts, approval is one thing I get the least of. I did not come here for a scientific debate, if that isnt obvious... my motive is to spread a message of the changes that are happening and will continue to increase in intensity on the Earth over the next few years. I do not wish to scientifically analyze my statements, as that is like trying to run chromatagraph tests on God. There is absolutely no masquerading involved here, my intention is to find others who share my views, and perhaps open a few minds in the process. However with each passing argument, I can see this becoming less and less a viable possibility.

Well, as far as I see it, you're pretty much trying to have a convincing tone in your claims through rolling in (pseudo)scientific "evidence", I'm too tired to copy them here but I'm sure we know what I mean. Maybe that wasn't your intention at first but when people demanded proof you panicked and posted unverified data to back-up your stories, hoping it would go unnoticed.

I have nothing personal against you, but I'd like to see you explaining your (or copied) scientific theories scientifically. Try me. Make me a believer. There's no need to back-up your speculative stories but I need a scientific contact surface to scientific issues. If you don't provide this, how could I even start listen to you. I'm sure there's a lot of Shroomerites here who swallow everything without chewing, mostly because of their hot blooded teen anarchist minds (which, btw, is one of those things that keeps this world going on), but I'm hard boiled, not cynical but analytic.

I've got many point of views to this life, I've seen a lot of strange things, unexplainable things, but no matter how hard I would like them to be something other wordly, my logic and knowledge in physics pulls out the truth with plenty of facts I cannot disprove no matter how much I would like to.

Anyway, I hope and I know that there's a lot of good in these discussions. Atleast we are interested in something. The best thing that could happen is that there's a growing disagreement in everyone of us, since internal disagreement and confusion is the path to personal development. And that's why I'm here (occasionally, since my time is very limited unfortunately), to shoot down every illusion atleast once, since a theory that goes in without chewing is a goddam lie.

Making science is a hard and sometimes lonely path.

As to summarise, don't loose your faith, just provide more facts that can be verified.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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Ok, I see your point.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Adamist]
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Yep, I don't want to be a part of your egoistic future.

I suppose you are aware that in many countries there are organizations that are willing to pay huge amounts of money for someone who is capable of performing a supernatural act in monitored environment? Well, the money is still there, waiting, maybe for you. Go ahead, have a try. Looks like the new trend is to transfer old ghosts and telekinesis-things into outerspace where everyone can say they excist since it's a bit harder to disprove these claims.

To be more accurate, define what you mean by "to believe in something"? Give me an example. Do you refer to those crop circle things or the infamous planet-x which is due to give us a good suction next year? I think these theories were disproved on some level already, atleast the planet-x theory. You want some more facts?

I feel like an old gramophone, repeating myself. I believe in anything you can proof scientifically. If you say a new planet is entering our solar system, show me your calculations, show me some images taken by a certified observatory, show me your references, etc. Simple as that.

I know a girl who likes to sit on my face sometimes. I sure do believe in that, I can also smell, feel, taste and even hear that. The more senses are involved, the more fact-like a theory becomes.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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Well I think this involves a sixth sense more than anything, but just wait a little while. If you haven't felt the very rapid changes occuring on Earth over the past ten years, wait until you see the future... its only going to increase exponentially. Soon, all your senses will be overwhelmed with all kinds of stimulus.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Timeleech]
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I think David Icke has gone off the deep end...a burger short of a happy meal, one beer shy of a six-pack.....I haven't read any of his books but a visit to his website was enough. I think the guy may have some ideas that are on the right track, but I seem to recall him saying that the Queen was a lizard. No kidding, a real lizard.. That to me smacks of insanity.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Adamist]
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Ok since you mentioned that ass-thing earlier, I'll continue with my theme.


John Does' Handbook to scientifical analysis
-By Stonerwitch, MoE, BEng(Hons)


Consider that cute little ass on my face again (ok, cuteness is subjective). It fullfills all the scientific evidence I need to proof the excistence of that ass (cute ass). That ass is located less than 2 kms away from my home. With a little pre-arrangement, I can empirically study that ass. I can take measures; size, temperature, texture, color, elasticy, conductivness, you name it. As I'm fully aware of similiar cases in the history of assology, I can find references for example in the local university (supposing they have a department of assology). I can compare other studies to my empirical studies and draw some conclusions, maybe even a small theory, e.g. the specific ass under my studies reacts on cold more easily than the asses in previous studies.

Now comes the difficult part. I have to prove my findings to the assology community. I must make clear and thorough notes of my findings that someone else, for example you, a famous professor in assology from the United States of America, can reproduce my experiments and have similiar results (ok, in this case it might be difficult since the object tends to have erratic mood changes and won't always submit under empirical studies).
However, if the preliminary studies of independent research indicate that there is scientific value in my theory on the basis of repeated experiments, I'm in shallow waters, my feet hit the bottom rock solid.

Hence my theory of a specifically sensitive cold reflecting ass of Janinae Assimus (name has been changed to protect the innocent) becomes scientifically viable. If some young keen assology student now wants to explore the amazing world of especially sensitive assess, he could find my thesis in the library and use it as a platform to his or her own studies.

I can't possibly make this anymore simple (or stupid).


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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I suppose you refer to the exponentially increasing amount of scientific research? Yes, we are riding on the wave now, the development is now faster on every field of science than probably ever before.

As far as my senses are considered, ok, I'll sit here and wait. I'll lay down my head on the buzum of mother nature and hope that I'll wake up a tiny bit more overwhelmed (No irony here though).


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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I refer to the exponentially increasing amount of *everything*... science and research, technology, religion, emotions, politics..everything is accelerating.

And it's not going to slow down, it's only going to get crazier.

Crazier
and crazier
and crazier
and crazier

until so much is going on, critical mass is reached

and it peaks-

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Stonerwitch]
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In reply to:

Well, the money is still there, waiting, maybe for you. Go ahead, have a try. Looks like the new trend is to transfer old ghosts and telekinesis-things into outerspace where everyone can say they excist since it's a bit harder to disprove these claims.


Heh... I dont claim I can do anything that could win me money, under normal circumstances. What I said was I had experiences in the past on mushrooms that allowed me to break through my normal limitations. If I ever reached a state of enlightenment (sober) so pure that I could use telepathy, or communicate with spirits, I don't think I would have much interest left in material things anyway.. ;) Who needs money when your in such a state?
In reply to:

To be more accurate, define what you mean by "to believe in something"?


Ok use your imagination really quick and ponder what you would do if all of a sudden, without the influence of any drugs, some sort of alien being made itself present in the room you're sitting in, talked to you while you were paralyzed, and then disappeared back to its flying saucer... Now would you believe that there was in fact an alien being that contacted you, even though you cannot confirm that you're simply not insane? How can you prove you did not hallucinate?

Now keep in mind this is not the type of thing that happened to me, but I'm using it as an example.

This is what I call "belief". I believe in things that happen to me... I don't "believe" anything Shroomism says that isn't something that I've already come to my own conclusions (or almost) about.

Can't we all just get along? :)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Experience is the best teacher.
Humans will believe whatever they want to believe and find whatever they want to find. Truth is relative. And the mind is capable of rationalizing and de-rationilizing eternally. Most Skeptics have already made up there mind about anything before anyone even says a word. It is understandable to not believe everything you hear. But why be quick to believe in its non-existence as well. I've seen no proof of the existance of the 12th Planet or of Pleaidians. But I have not seen any proof of the non-existance either. People will take proof as far as they want to.
I only say this because a few weeks ago I was pretty skeptical of paranormal type stuff. Then I realized I was as closeminded in regards to it as my Christian parents are to anything other than what the church tells them.

But I went to a gathering a week ago. I had taken 1 XTC pill, a 1/2 a hit of LSD, and some pot. As a seeker for truth I was deep in thought kind of a digging a hell for myself. An old hippy in front of me said to me "Playing Calculus?" I stammered "what?" he said "You're not going to figure it out." and smiled. Then began speaking some nonsense I couldn't remember. I started to feel a little troubled and stepped outside for a bit. Considering my sanity. The old Christian fears lapping at me. (I was raised Baptist) I went back in and the hippy was gone.

I sat alone and a man and an Asian lady walked up to me. I don't remember the beginning of the conversation. I wasn't talking much, just kind of mumbling "I'm going crazy." My friend Joe came and asked about me, and the man said "He'll be okay. Information is just hitting him so fast." He turned to me and said "You're really far along for someone your age." He spook to me some more saying he wanted to call me "brother".
I was reaaaaally confused. I began to suspect that what was happening was not quite what I expected. I suddenly realized we were kind of sharing thoughts. I was shocked and could barely believe it. It was not something that fit in with the way my world worked. He said "Wow, you just stumbled on it, without trying to." But I had not said aloud what I was suspecting to be happening. I began to get scared and he gripped me and said "No, you don't need to fear" I tried to calm myself and he "said yeah, that's the way, follow it, you'll be fine." Shook my hand and left to go back upstairs.
I went back upstairs to talk to my artist friend Tom. I was still in a daze about what was going on. (Especially since I wasn't tripping very much at all, and I've only done mush 3 times and lsd once before, and only in small doses, so I don't think i'm liable to be labeled as having over-drugged psychosis) I asked Tom "Is this... it?" and he replyed "yeah, and there's a lot of us up here." I thought about my deepest fears and how my mind was naked to some of those present, and Tom told me "Some things you'll have to deal with later in life."

So that's my cosmic consciousness story. Analyze away.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: exsane]
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Reflecting back on the experience... did it feel good to you?
Personally, I think telepathy is great.
A lot of those kinds of gatherings are very spiritual minded..they've been increasing in frequency lately. Most communication is telepathic there, just something to keep in mind. Did you notice the only time people would speak is when they were confirming something you had just thought, like answer your question verbally which you had only thought mentally? Perhaps I am way off base here. Then again perhaps not.
Anyways, glad to see your learning stuff.
Learning stuff is good.

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In reply to:

Then I realized I was as closeminded in regards to it as my Christian parents are to anything other than what the church tells them.

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I have to agree with CB and Shroomerism about highschool. Im in alternative school right now, and its alot better, but I have to rely on myself to learn anything valuable. I dont think the education in itself is valuable, but the little piece of paper that says that I stuck it out for 4 years does. Thats whats important to me, and important to my future.
On another topic, whats this 12th planet? where can i find more information on it?

-- woh, didn't realize this post was so big, i replied after the first page, sorry if i disturbed the rhythm

Edited by vivid (12/13/01 01:06 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: vivid]
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If you beleive in this 12th planet that is supposedly moving through our solar system you are an IDIOT with no scientific education.

I already proved in a earlier post in this thread it is impossible through basic physic laws.

By the way, Silent One's first two posts are a bunch of bullshit. His thrid one has some thruth backed up by physics but doesn't explain a damn thing that coorelates with this supposed planet thats coming.

I HATE when people blatantly spread disinformation. Read a damn physic book and you'll see this is all a crock.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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I'm sorry but I fail to see how you proved anything with your little formula. Newton discovered gravity, you can't expect his theories on the laws of gravity to be perfect! We don't even know how gravity works, we just know that it does, and have theories as to how it functions. I say, we are definetely getting closer.. but I'm going to have to agree with Silent One and say that Newtons Law of Gravity is wrong. (Yes I said it)
Anyways, the 12th planet is there right now. Give it another year or so and you'll be able to see it with your naked eye. There's definetely no shortage of effects its having on Earth... the animals are all going crazy, the weather is going crazy, plants are going crazy, everythings going crazy.
Of course, no amount of proof will ever convince you otherwise. I guess you'll just have to see it for yourself.

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>Of course, no amount of proof will ever convince you otherwise. I guess you'll just have to see it for yourself.

I think that's what both sides are saying, it's just that both sides think that their proof is better.
Now the scientists are going to say "Well our proof is better! It's proven science! You're an idiot!"
And the enlightened will say "______" I don't really know what they'll say, or if they want to be called the enlightened, but their points will be no less valid. (remember things like the flat world and the earth being the center of the universe people? Are you so arrogant to think that those types of mistakes are entirely in our past? They're not, and we'll most likely be having some common sense facts shattered fairly soon, it always happens, in probably every generation. Now that the scale is getting so high, expect some huge shocks. Any scientist will tell you that.)

So, whatever happens, not everyone is ever going to believe the same thing, and it would be a shame if they did.
We're going to have to wait. The one side will have to wait to prove it, and the other side will have to wait to disprove it. (and remember things most likely won't turn out the way either side thinks they will...)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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This might be more clear:

Todays science cannot necessarily disprove tomorrows phenomenon.
Nor can todays theories necessarily prove tomorrows phenomenon.

Or something like that.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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Haha I give up, you all needed to not drop out of school.

As for the flat world idea, there was no science to back it, it was beleived to be that way by scientists (who at that time didn't have to do much to prove a hypothesis except get enough people to beleive it)

If you actually go through the derivation through calculus of newtons laws for basic physics and einsteins laws for more modern physics, which I know you will NOT, because you can't, you lack the education. The idea of the 12 th planet is proposterous.

You spiritual people out there must have a lot of faith in this stuff, because there is absolutely nothing to back it.

Even ghosts, UFO's, and the loch ness monster have something that would at least provide enough prove to start an argument. This planet idea has no an ounce of proof.

Just Shroomism's word. That all. No evidence whats so ever. And stuff that "may" happen in the future isn't evidence.

Shroomism you woulkd make a great cult leader for the 20th century even though your young, but you make very poor arguments when it comes down to hardcore science.

Spirituality can't compete with science, science has a basis and modern science must have mathical support to make it a LAW, not a theory. Spriituality, well, it has you trying to get people to beleive, which i'm sure you can, but theres nothing to back it up.

Anyhow, don't bother responding to this because I know it will just result in a word verbatim back and forth forever until someone gives up, so i'll just give up now.

Its impossible to change the bleiefs of spiritual people. I WOULD beleive this if there was proof. I beleive in some form of afterlife because there is SOME evidence of it. Although the evidence is shaky iuts enough for me to beleive. I'm no less spiritual then the next guy, but this stuff you propose shroomism, is scientifcally ridicualous.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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It just makes me wonder how science is so convinced they are right, when we obviously have very little understaning of how our world actually works. We recognize the existence of the forces of nature..but do we understand HOW they function? No. We create theories to try and understand them and then conduct tests which fit into our understanding of how it works. The tests are designed to provide the desired results. Can you explain why gravity works? Do we fully understand gravity? No. So until that day, don't say that you know the answer. You can't claim that you have the full understanding when you only have a few pieces of the puzzle. Silent One appears to have a better understanding of the laws of gravity than most of these scientist types, his explanations make sense. Numbers dont mean anything, unless you are sure those numbers work in any scenario. How can you know how a foreign planet will effect our planet when current science has never experienced such a thing? What have they done in the past to determine that a formula will work every time? They dont, and this is why scientists are always arguing, they think they are right based on their theories. Theories are just that, theories.
They need to accept the fact that science is not perfect, nor complete. You must leave some room for change for as new things are discovered the theories will have to change.

Edited by Shroomism (12/13/01 02:24 AM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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Exactly. Like I said I don't know either way, but I'll tell you one thing, most of the good scientists should be anxious to learn new things, to see new possibilities, and I have to believe that they are, or we wouldn't be where we are today.
What the hell kind of scientist uses the limited amount of science he knows to try and disprove every theory out there? A wannabe scientist.
And like I said, I don't care either way, and I'm not a wannabe scientist, nor am I trying to prove anything except the fact that nobody knows everything.

I don't know why he keeps calling people dropouts... I for one have rejoined school to try and milk as much info from it as I can, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I don't think there's anything wrong with dropping out if you have no need for all your physics and whatnot. (we don't all want to be aerospace engineers.)

Whatever, it doesn't matter. I'll be laughing when this guy finds out half of what he knows is wrong, or meaningless, once they make the next discovery and the next technology leap... If you know what I'm sayin. And that dude probably doesn't, cause that's probably not something they teach you in aerospace engineering. (that was it right?)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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After reading this massive post I have to say I am pretty disgusted. The fact that you tedious bastards (mainly swami) actually take the time to check the copyright on shroomism's statements is pathetic. In a world such as this all philosophy and metaphysical discusion should be excempt from the scrutiny of self obsessing fools. As for those of you who have dropped out, and those that accuse them of being stupid, have you all forgotten the importance of learning through the self? I know many of you identify with this principle on a daily basis but it seems many of the integral principles have slipped away. The American school system is nothing but a day care clinic when compared to the potential for learning in a closed enviroment for example writing your own rules for living based on YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. Thats the first thing we learn in school, to assimilate our ideas into this massive conglomerate called history, which is completely false the way its pushed on children. Now, the reactions to the 12th planet....If this were the forum for gay republicans who have recently been hit by a bus i would understand these cynical reactions...but this is the shroomery. We have all tasted divine hallucination and god like meditation. I see alot of people in here falling back on the science principle of proofs and theorems when in reality they are composed of faith and trust in a god that rubs them the right way. Its like theres almost a respect for greater society being represented here...
Im going to go vomit blood for a few hours....

See you in hell next to the vending machines-
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Re: Shroomism [Re: isaiah]
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Holly fuck!! I wish that my posts were as active as this one.

As far as the subject on hand goes: BOREING.

no ofensie. ' diferent strokes dont ya know.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Jammer]
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Wife spanking and the 12th planet are equally enthralling Jammer.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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lol@Ulysees.

haha... you made your point. hehe


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Re: Shroomism [Re: isaiah]
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That was one kick ass post Isaiah.
And like I said, I'm not taking either side. (odds are, you're all wrong.) :wink:


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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>We recognise the forces of nature...but do we understand HOW they function?

Yep. Science is all about "how"...Newton devised an elegant and accurate theory that explained the mechanics of large-scale structures centuries before any force-carrying particles had been discovered. To this day, "gravitons" remain un-discovered in the technical sense of the word, yet we understand the properties of gravity every bit as well as we do those of electromagnetism. What we don't understand is how to link gravity with the other three forces, which act only over very short distances -- remember, the gravitational field that all objects radiate is infinite.

>How can you know how a foreign planet will affect our planet when current science has never experienced such a thing?

The same way we can calculate the exact position of any planet in the solar system at any point in the future. The effect of a large mass on a smaller mass applies irrespective of whether or not a particular event has occurred.

>Theories are just that, theories.

That's right...so far from being arrogant and close-minded, the scientist always leaves the door open to be proven wrong. In the case of gravity, Newtons work contained very minor innaccuracies, which were explained away with a better theory of gravity -- relativity.

I'm also a high school drop-out, for what it's worth.

Edited by Pynchon (12/13/01 07:45 AM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Pynchon]
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Trail_blazer: If you truly had a brain in that lump on your shoulders like you claim, you would realize that we as participants in the universe do not CREATE the laws of the universe. You should also read something outside of your little science/physics textbooks. If you did so, you would probably realize that our science is revised periodically when we discover new things. Thats the problem with science, it isn't absolutely right, and we can't expect our science to ever be exactly right, or all inclusive. You are dilluting yourself if you think that the universe can only function within our understanding of it. Your argument is pathetic.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Pynchon]
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>remember, the gravitational field that all objects radiate is infinite.

Hm, just had a thought about this comment and the debate over the 12th planet. Does this mean that the passing of the 12th planet would not necessarily have a disatrous effect on our planet? If our planet is already feeling the effects of it's gravity, at the same intensity(if it is infinite, it also stays at the same intensity at different distances, right?), then what kind of disaster could occur by it being a little bit closer? Maybe I am confused on the subject, though....

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Re: Shroomism [Re: isaiah]
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isiah- The theories of physics are meant to form a foundation for metaphysical discussion. Philosphy is not about throwing logic out the window and ignoring accepted scientifc theorems, rather it is about placing them in a wider context, examining that which is unknown or unknowable in science... different dimensions, aliens, ways to live your life etc.. The twelth planet idea though is highly implausible, such events as those described in detail are impossible given our physical laws. Now it may be that those laws are completely wrong, but the whole point of creating them is to arrive at the closest aproximation we can of the nature of physical reality. Unless something else comes along that describes the observable phenomena around us in a more elegant, concise and coherent manner, then current scientific knowledge should be the foundation by which we judge new theories.

"The grand principle of the heavens balances on the razor's edge of truth"


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Re: Shroomism [Re: mm.]
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See, that makes sense too. This is why I can't take a side on this issue, and why I think that both sides are probably a little less than right. (Well, what do you expect? Nobody has all the answers.)


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Re: Shroomism [Re: DankVudu]
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The intensity of gravity drops as distance increases, but never quite to zero.

There are soooo many reasons why "a passing 12th planet" doomsday-scenario could not happen. The phrase itself is as close to an oxymoron as you're likely to read.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Pynchon]
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>There are soooo many reasons why "a passing 12th planet" doomsday-scenario could not happen

Anything is possible, I guess. But I'm not going to mope around about it. If the 12th planet passes by our planet and causes some huge disaster that kills billions of people, oh well. And even if I am one of them, oh well. Shit happens. The only sure way of knowing if it is really going to happen is to wait around till the projected time(spring/summer 2003 I believe)and see if it really happens. If not, then add it to the book of errored prophecys.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: DankVudu]
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HAHAHA this thread is a huge tired battle... the Nerds with thier facts and the Hippies with thier wild ideas and concepts... neither one can convince the other of anything but they both keep droning on... its funny to watch from my end.

Edited by DrGonzo401 (12/13/01 09:45 PM)

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Re: Shroomism [Re: CherryBom]
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No, he's just a retard.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Trail_Blazer]
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In reply to:

>>I'm sorry, but anyone who drops out of school is going to agree with other dropouts. So agreeing with another dropout isn't much of a strong argument. Get a non-dropout to agree with ya dropouts, then i'll be impressed.



I am not a dropout. On the contrary, I am an honor student. I agree with shroomism completely, and admit that 1) high school is not for everyone, 2)Many classes opress individuality and individual though, 3) The information tought is sometimes invalid.

I am really only doing for the rare good classes and the opporitunity to go to college.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: djchilxxn]
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> 2)Many classes opress individuality

And valuing individualism is adhering to modern culture. Thus, individualism is conformity.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Kid]
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Goddamnit KID, you'll argue any damn point won't you. Doesn't matter what the standpoint, you'll argue it.

I personnaly chose to drop out, becuase I like others realised in my freshman year that I already contained the knowledge that highschool had to offer. I get shit all the time about it, people judge education and intelligence by a diploma. Our educational system in this country is a joke. Anyone with half the brain god gave a gifted dog realises that. Shroomism seems to me to be one of the more intelligent people on here, and I sollute you for it.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ArchDruid]
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It does seem as if kid will argue any point. I just wonder what his response to this will be. Anyway, you bring up a good point when you say that intelligence is measured by a diploma. I graduated, and I did so with semi good grades, however I have a friend who screwed off for three and a half years, and literaly finished the vast majority of his work in the last 5 weeks of school. On the other hand my girlfriend graduated second in her class, but geuss what? Same diploma! My point.... we all have the same piece of paper stating that we are "smart". I personally believe that one has more knowledge to gain from real world experiences than any book can teach you. Unfortunatly, with society's infatuation with being "knowledgeable" Many of the non-schooled inteligent people get passed off as eccentric or crazy. But what do I know?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ArchDruid]
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> Goddamnit KID, you'll argue any damn point won't you. Doesn't matter what the standpoint, you'll argue it.

Yeah, I guess so. When I see something that I've found holes in, I nail it.

And that one was a pretty cliche expression of our counter-culture. Blah blah blah, individualism. Paradoxically, valuing individualism is embracing the culture which the counterculture is supposedly opposing.

I think it's amusing.

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psychobabble and you know it.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: ArchDruid]
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I despise psychobabble. So fuck you. If you wish to turn it into an insult, call it the result of having gotten too much of an education which involves cultural constructivist theory.

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i as well droped out of school when i was young.
i failed the 7th grade because i missed 70 somethin school days.. although i passed all the class's , except one F in Math.
only reason i failed that class was because the teacher hated me and my individual ways. after that.. i just revoked against it and started reading on my own.. anything and everything i could get ahold of.

now that my girl friends in college.. she comes home and i help her with her assighnments in world religion and sociology.
kinna odd i think.. that i can do her work.

i find that from my lack of school.
i was no longer being supresed into what i was "Supost" to become.
instead i spent countless hours sitting home alone thinking unto myself.
wich has brought me to were i am now. wich is wonderful to me.

just thought id comment that i think people that drop out of school early.. 13-17 , but still have the intent and inner knowledge to strive for something and learn.
end up just as smart or smarter than those grinded through school years.
i may not be able to do math as well, spell as well, or know as much about government systems.
but in the mind class's ive taken from inner teachers.. none of those are worth crap

Also im an aquarius too , well... just one year younger..
go figure!

i just find it odd that from what little words have been derived of our lifes paths there extremly simular.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: ]
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star wars is some scary shit
we have poured billions into its development for over a decade, and yet its still not operational

you say its purpose is to destroy a comet or meteor?
where did you hear this?


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Kid]
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Being so well versed in this phenomenon must be painful. You should find something to balance that out, use your education to effect positive change, lest you find yourself old and bitter. (or young and bitter, as you seem to be somewhat already.)

I don't have the education you do in that area, and I'm pretty thanful for that... I'm a bitter enough person as it is. If I developed and honed it into an "art" as it appears you have, I'd be in rough shape. You know far too much about this stuff to be peaceful, in my opinion. This is of course not an insult, I find it quite fascinating. Why do we torture ourselves? Surely life would be a lot simpler if you had chosen a different route. (I wouldn't choose simplicity for the sake of simplicity, but it has it's benefits.)

Or perhaps I'm missing the point entirely, but I think I know where you're coming from.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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I like how you call it an "art" because in a way it is a very unique form of expression for me. It doesn't make me bitter though when I point something out, though I know I can sound (look) bitter. I find what I study points out some rather amusing contradictions.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Kid]
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I didn't think it would be very fun having that outlook, you know? I get a type of pleasure from noticing and pointing certain things out but it's usually a double edged blade... (It's often the same types of things but with a much lower degree of skill.)
I was serious too, you have elevated it to an artform. :wink:

I do envy your vocabulary. Most of your posts are put together impeccably. It's hard to argue with someone who can disect your post and leave it bleeding for all to see...


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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Maybe I should try elevating talking like a tard to an artform.
;-)
If I could blush over the internet, I would be.

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Re: Shroomism [Re: Kid]
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Well, there's one thing I can do better than you. (blush that is.) Though I've always avoided that particular emoticon.


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Re: Shroomism [Re: Ulysees]
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This thread seems to have died of but..
Well, Im not one to flame, but after reading through this thread I have to say RedfluX and Swami came off as rather close minded people, the kind that might appear otherwise for a short while, and ofcourse do not think of themselves as such (then again does anyone). I hope i'm wrong!
Since I live in Finland I don't know diddly about the schooling situation in the US or Canada, but over here it's a bit better then what you described, though not much. There's alot wrong with the system, simply put. Im studying at a university right now, not to bad.
Oh, and since several of you have mentioned your signs, I am a (..v?dur, what's that in english again..) Aries. Or well, according to other sources (there's a dispute over what sign someone born the 20th april certain years has it seems) a Taurus. Must say I feel more ruled by Mars then Venus so ill go with Aries! :smile:
Trail Blazer, I'm not a dropout and I agree with the dropouts, hope you're impressed, lol.
DrGonzo401, I agree with you dude, nerds against hippies (in a generalized way ofcourse).
As for a 12th planet? I do not believe it exists, based on scientific evidence. That does not however mean that I am 100% certain of it's not existence. Im not 100% on anything, even my own existance.
I say, let's see what the great spirit (god or whatever you wish to call it) out there has to say! Now, if my shrooms would just grow a bit faster! :tongue:

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