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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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but to believe these tired old scams

Yeah, but tired old scams are the easiest to support and have a mythical history. Hard to accurately reconstruct something that happened for 5 seconds in a remote area fifty years ago.

The more modern Phoenix Lights, with decent videos in an urban area with much recorded witness testimony, could easily be studied and debunked.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Swami]
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You say a modern case of mass experience of UFO in city would be easily debunked. You approach it with a prejudgement.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
You say a modern case of mass experience of UFO in city would be easily debunked. You approach it with a prejudgement.


He says that because the case he refers to has been debunked. He has the gift of hindsight here.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Silversoul]
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It is a rare gift that I have been blessed with. :biggrin:


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Swami]
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yeah, not many people have eyeballs in their asses

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Zekebomb]
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Swami: Dude, it's a metaphor.

Zeke: What's a meta for?"

Swami: *sighs*


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Swami]
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I don't know the size, for God's sake. in fact, I don't even know what it is you want measured.

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy, the burden of proof isn't on us. You're the one making the extraordinary claim.

All we're saying is that there's no way to know for sure what you saw. We are not trying to prove a concrete thing.

You are the one trying to prove something, and you're the one who needs to provide proof, not the people saying "are you sure that is what you think it is?"


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
danoEoboy, the burden of proof isn't on us. You're the one making the extraordinary claim.

All we're saying is that there's no way to know for sure what you saw. We are not trying to prove a concrete thing.

You are the one trying to prove something, and you're the one who needs to provide proof, not the people saying "are you sure that is what you think it is?"


It is difficult to transmit signals through some substances (e.g. lead, concrete, or osseous matter).

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Sclorch]
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danoEoboy said:
CHECKMATE!


just by the way, didn't we all feel like a bunch of idiots when we fell for DanoEoboy's cleverly-disguised trap?

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Zekebomb]
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Zekebomb said:
danoEoboy said:
CHECKMATE!


just by the way, didn't we all feel like a bunch of idiots when we fell for DanoEoboy's cleverly-disguised trap?


Ya, I have to say, he really overpowered me with his logical capabilities. I'm just no match for his intellect, I'm afraid.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
danoEoboy, the burden of proof isn't on us. You're the one making the extraordinary claim.

... and you're the one who needs to provide proof,


I see what your saying Phluck but I think we will have to agree to disagree here.

I feel that in my first post, for this thread, I have provided proof.  I have created a good arguement.  This arguement was then opposed.  If you want to oppose then you should also provide a good arguement including evidence and sources, as I have!

Its no good to sit there and say "I oppose, I oppose".  People want to see reasoning, evidence, logic & sources.

I don't consider 1 case which is controversial (Pheonix lights) to be enough evidence to debunk this VAST phenomena!  Weigh up the difference and the E.T/UFO side of things is still far far more prevailent, even without witnessing anything oneself!

This has been going on since the dawn of man!  If you believe they are not extra-terrestrial then support that claim with the weight of evidence that I have provided that they are, its that simple!

I already know that half the population opposes, but I also know, and have proved, that they have next to nothing to support this point of view! :tongue:


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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There is absolutely no evidence that proves there are no unicorns on Venus either.

I don't think the concept of "you can't prove a negative" and you have quite met each other yet.

What do you want? Pictures of the sky without UFOs in them? 'Cause I can get those.


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Phluck]
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Its actually impossible to prove anything.

But for the sake of discussion we can provide varying levels of likelyness.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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what? there are many things provable.. For example, I will prove that I am typing


dfsfsdfdsff

Beyond just a 'varying level of likelyness', this text does exist, and is provable...

I hate those arguments where people are like " Nothing REALLY exists"... /rant

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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"I feel that in my first post, for this thread, I have provided proof. I have created a good arguement. This arguement was then opposed. If you want to oppose then you should also provide a good arguement including evidence and sources, as I have!"

You have stated over and over that you do not care about being believed. Why are you now saying you provided proof of something? If this knowledge is certain to you why do you care what others think? What is your end...or motive for aruing in the face of certain disagreement?


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:crymeariver:

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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
:crymeariver:


Wow, you really got him there.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Silversoul]
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Don't need to get him.
Specially not when he gets himself.


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Re: When a skeptic becomes an evidence and logic dodger! [Re: Ego Death]
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The only "evidence" you have supplied thus far is purely anecdotal. Who's really the logic dodger here?

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