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Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence
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In general, the higher the level of education and intelligence, the lower the belief in the paranormal & pseudo-science..

The more you know and the better able you are to reason, then the easier it is to peer behind the curtain of ignorance surrounding ghosts, PK, TK, ESP, crop circles, homeopathy, synchronicity, prayer, UFOs and so on.

The understanding of probablity, math, physics & human nature makes 'magic' quietly disappear.


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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It also can bee regarded the way around.
The discovery of these natural principles leads to a renaissance of the understanding and 'usage' of 'magic'.
It just may be called differently, but the 'curtain' can be enforced and repainted.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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homeopathy really doesn't belong on that list.

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Homeopathy is NOT pseudo-science?! :whoah:

I am going to 'intuit' that you believe there is something to this which can quickly be dispelled with a dash of logic and a little research.


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I agree homeopathy is definatly a pseudo-science.

But im not sure that simply bieng intelligent lowers belief in the paranormal and pseudo-science. Education certainly does, but I think that if somebody is born/raised to be intelligent, but never educated they will still be ignorant and believe in the paranormal. Certainly there have been lots of people throughout history that were intelligent but believed in the paranormal.

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: DieCommie]
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Agreed. BOTH are required to lower one's susceptibility to nonsense.

I am working on a vaccine...


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Hmm, I havent thought about the case of education and no intelligence.  Seems like that would be hard to achieve somehow, but then I think back to class today and remember that it is certainly possible.  :wink:

A vaccine would be nice.  But, do you not think that the current successes of science and logic are lowering the publics susceptibility to nonsense?  I do.  I think its getting better, we just need to keep this trend going.

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: DieCommie]
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Getting better?

New pseudo-science shows on The History and Discovery Channels with Creation and Intelligent Design making inroads into the public school system.

Most Americans believe in many forms of the paranormal and pseudo-science. Hell, Bush publicly stated that God told him to invade Iraq and no one blinked. We just marched off to war and emptied the treasury instead of putting the nutcase in an asylum.

I wish I could share your enthusaism, but I keep fighting the same old mini-battles here that I did 7 years ago.


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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But wasnt intelligent design the norm in schools all around the world for thousands of years?  The fact thats it's even controversial is "getting better".

Sure it may be the case that most americans, or most humans for that matter, believe in the paranormal and pseudo-science.  But that says noting of the rate of change of people who buy the bull.

I know you dont believe that just because their have been 7 years of people who buy paranormal in a shroomery forum means anything about the population at large and long term change. 7 years is a pretty short time, much less than one generation.  I wouldnt expect scientific thought to be embraced by the population at large in 7 years, more like 70 or 700.  Considering the time scales of civilization, I think this is good.  Not perfect, but good and in the right direction.

Keep it up though, we may get where we want a few years earlier.:wexican:

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I don't know your life story so I think it'd be very difficult to pick away at times that've brought you to a conclusion disregarding paranormal.

I'm a bit of a skeptic to 'paranormal' activities. While I'm willing to bet a comprehensive integrated understanding of physics, biology, and chemistry will produce leads as to what MIGHT be going on with the person who believes in paranormal activities, I think those variables of understanding are so great that one just 'takes the easy way out' and credits some supernatural force.

I could think up some reasons why something might've happened but I've come to points in thought where I don't know enough about what hasn't already been discovered or maybe there's areas in science that aren't widely accepted as fact so people have gaps in understanding certain concepts or new-age concepts.

I don't know so I'm an avid believer in that there's always more than meets the 'eye'. And I don't think we will ever have a 'complete' understanding of anything so there will be those that 'give up' and credit 'the great one'.

who knows, maybe there is something, but for now, I'll deal with what's tangible and let 'whatever' subconsciously direct me through life.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: Cracka_X]
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It's like looking at the ground very carfully, then trying to understand how to fly.

Spiritual things are of the sky and higher, science is all about worshipping the earth smaller things like atoms and dust molecuals....

Scientists like to stare at the ground and touch physical things, shamens and other spiritual leaders like to stare at concepts that are not of physical realms...

Making neither more true then the other.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
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Not sure what a 'shamen' is, but are you saying that the thousands of inventions you use everyday (science - cause and affect) are comparable to believing in fantasy?


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
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yeah, i'd have to agree with OC there.

While I don't completely disagree with your shaman comment, I think scientists uncover an effectively tangible world that can be explained to other to experiment with and get a certain result.

The shaman on the other hand, or any type of spiritual aspirant, to me, all have different experiences based on the way they've been brought up or how they've gone through life.

Everyone is different so, i'm sure if we had everyone's life story we could pick at why they're talking about or doing something.

I feel like the shaman and scientist, and basically all people have "great" moments that just seem too good to be true, lucky, by the grace of the all-knowing, or by pure hard work.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: Cracka_X]
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Yes, scientists may disagree when covering new territory, however, eventually there IS a convergence as experiential data accrues.

When it comes to religion and metaphysics, there is NO such convergence. In fact, there are more splinter groups and 'theories' than ever before, pointing to the likelihood that it is ALL an internal fabrication and NOT a connection to another realm.


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
pointing to the likelihood that it is ALL an internal fabrication and NOT a connection to another realm.


I'll agree, yet I feel there is 'something'. It's not worth killing myself over unless someone is trying to kill me over it but I'll say I skeptically believe.


who's to say we're all not gears with different measurements/sizes/modifications/speeds working to turn the same piece of machinery.

This paranormal force people claim doesn't have to be some "great all-knowing" as much as it could be a gravitational shift between the planets that somehow could affect one's biochemistry. Or even the magnetic poles, maybe sun flares? It'd be interesting to see if any of these 'stellar' phenomenons/happenings could affect us a certain way, and i'm willing to bet they do. Or the mere suggestion of something that primes the individual to be more aware of something that has always been there, just now they've noticed it.

I mean it's all speculation, but the fantasy, whether it is or isn't, is definately a blast.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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"In general, the higher the level of education and intelligence, the lower the belief in the paranormal & pseudo-science..

The more you know and the better able you are to reason, then the easier it is to peer behind the curtain of ignorance surrounding ghosts, PK, TK, ESP, crop circles, homeopathy, synchronicity, prayer, UFOs and so on.

The understanding of probablity, math, physics & human nature makes 'magic' quietly disappear. "



Hee hee - that is so utterly ludicrous - of course one could say that nothing is weird to someone who understands everything and that paranormal is just a relative term relevant to those who cannot see why paranormal things take place.


I was trying to mix innocent mischief with actual logic there -hope you like it !


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: Mirth]
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I didn't want to stop believing in santa.. it was so much fun :tongue2:


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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: vaportrail]
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In general, the higher the level of education and intelligence, the lower the belief in the paranormal, pseudo-science, science, and math, etc, etc...

Homeopathy?

You do realize that even snake venom has medical benefits?

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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N o one has reached the highest education, intelligence and reason to properly explain and integrate these factual phenomenas (even if they 'only' happen in one's head for the largest part) into our reality.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Paranormal Belief, Education & Intelligence [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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No one has reached the highest education, intelligence and reason to properly explain and integrate these factual phenomenas (even if they 'only' happen in one's head for the largest part) into our reality.
It's dumb to ignore them as :bullshit:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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